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2017-10-10 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Paddock shot hotel guard before opening fire on festival crowd

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Posted by si vis pacem, para bellum 2017-10-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 *"Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing on Monday [Oct 9] that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert..."*

1. Someone is shooting (200 rounds through the door) at a hotel security guard and nobody responds instantly to that, with weapons?

2. The guard was shot 6 minutes before the mass shooting started, and was still on the 32nd floor at that time, but still nobody responds instantly with weapons to ten minutes of shooting through the windows?

3. Paddock did not stop shooting because the guard showed up, since he had already shot that guard, so why did he stop? the police arrived to the 32nd floor several minutes after shooting had stopped (it lasted 10 minutes).

4. How come the guard's timeline has changed? we've gone from having his presence and injury presented as interrupting and ending the shooting, to his being shot several minutes before the mass shooting started.

5. What kind of escape plan did Paddock have? when did he die, instead of attempting his planned escape?

Posted by Si vis pacem 2017-10-10 05:48|| 2017-10-10 05:48|| Front Page Top

#2 How come the guard's timeline has changed? we've gone from having his presence and injury presented as interrupting and ending the shooting, to his being shot several minutes before the mass shooting started.

Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo does seem a bit edgy in his interviews. Perhaps the comment about a law enforcement response delay and 'having to wait for SWAT' was valid after all ?

Adding to that, was there a delay in the initial incident reporting to law enforcement by the hotel ?

Posted by Besoeker 2017-10-10 07:33|| 2017-10-10 07:33|| Front Page Top

#3 Shot the guard. Decided he's nothing to lose - might as well have some fun?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-10-10 09:41|| 2017-10-10 09:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Where is all the brass?

Posted by bman 2017-10-10 11:23|| 2017-10-10 11:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Shot the guard. Decided he's nothing to lose - might as well have some fun?

No, the shooter already had everything planned. The guard (likely unarmed) was a hindrance.

Would still be interesting to find out the delay.

Posted by Pappy 2017-10-10 11:31|| 2017-10-10 11:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Would still be interesting to find out the delay.

Unconsidered or ill-planned circumstances can lead to fatal indecision even in disciplined fire teams. See "Lone Survivor".

200 rounds thru a door? That's 4-50 round drum magazines, or 6-30 and 1-20. One scenario is the hyped up shooters all did a mag dump at the guard's door knock then didi'd down the stairs.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-10-10 11:59|| 2017-10-10 11:59|| Front Page Top

#7 were the windows broken out before or after the security guard was shot? Most critically, is there any visual in the hallway between his shooting, the thousands of rounds being fired into the crowd for 10 minutes, the formation of the adhoc LE team at the end of the hallway? I'm still curious about the missing rifle, the car out of the garage while the door key was used, the locked interior door, the "secured" stairwell door that was not caused by the hotel prior to the event, and how one guy fired all that ammo from two positions, then stopped and waited for over 40 minutes (or more) for the SWAT breach to shoot himself. Since the security guard was not prompted to go check the room by the guy in the room below because of the gunfire noise as first reported, since he arrived PRIOR to gunfire, why did he go up there? Still thinking multiple shooters and either Paddock was planning to escape, since he seemed to have had an escape plan, and was murdered by his associates or changed his mind and the others left him and locked the stairwell door behind themselves to delay pursuit? Questions, and the late change in timeline seems more likely a storyline change to accommodate some contradiction discovered by the press/public?

Posted by NoMoreBS 2017-10-10 12:35|| 2017-10-10 12:35|| Front Page Top

#8 #4 Where is all the brass?

Someone else mentioned this. Pix of the room only showed a little bit which almost seemed casually arranged. (or maybe I'm just becoming sensitive to fauxtography)

Posted by SteveS 2017-10-10 12:51|| 2017-10-10 12:51|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe the shooter thought he only had ~10 minutes of shooting out the window time since the guard was shot. Maybe he mis calculated the response or someone else in the hallway (quest or maintenance..) spooked him 10 minutes later.

Did the police ever explain why more than one window was broken out on the 32nd floor?

Posted by Airandee 2017-10-10 16:03|| 2017-10-10 16:03|| Front Page Top

#10 Did the police ever explain why more than one window was broken out on the 32nd floor?

As I recall, the second window faced directly toward the airplane fuel tanks he had fired at but did not pierce.

Posted by trailing wife 2017-10-10 17:22|| 2017-10-10 17:22|| Front Page Top

#11 Regarding the brass, you aim out the window to the left (as was the case for at least one of the windows) and the brass is likely to eject outside the window as well.

Posted by rjschwarz 2017-10-10 17:32|| 2017-10-10 17:32|| Front Page Top

#12 All those cameras, were they wireless? Anything intercept and perhaps record the signals? Anything at all?

Posted by Spike Ulineque7806 2017-10-10 18:49|| 2017-10-10 18:49|| Front Page Top

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