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2017-10-12 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Gunman was shooting at hotel guard + worker in hallway several minutes before attack on festival

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Posted by si vis pacem, para bellum 2017-10-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 He didn't take the opportunity to escape after shooting the worker and security person.

Still nothing concrete to indicate any others were involved. And if there were, surely they would show up security cameras.

Posted by phil_b 2017-10-12 03:33|| 2017-10-12 03:33|| Front Page Top

#2 "report of a jammed fire door"
sounds like SOMEONE was escaping.

Was the CCTV hacked?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2017-10-12 07:05|| 2017-10-12 07:05|| Front Page Top

#3 The same issue with SWAT teams as with Columbine.

The SWAT team screwed around with plans and tactics designed to protect the SWAT team instead of saving citizens' lives. The police don't want to admit the response time was complete BS

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2017-10-12 10:20|| 2017-10-12 10:20|| Front Page Top

#4 A lot of remarks from the Sheriff, nothing from the FBI. Wonder if the Hotel video was seized?

Posted by Skidmark 2017-10-12 10:38|| 2017-10-12 10:38|| Front Page Top

#5 The same issue with SWAT teams as with Columbine. The SWAT team screwed around with plans and tactics designed to protect the SWAT team instead of saving citizens' lives. The police don't want to admit the response time was complete BS Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom

You are dead on. I bought into the 10 minute response narrative early on in the reporting and I was stunned to learn that it was 70 minutes or longer before they made entry. To be fair maybe he killed himself after 10 minutes and it was all quiet when they finally got up there...who knows...but, it does feel a lot like Columbine.

Posted by Tennessee 2017-10-12 10:57|| 2017-10-12 10:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Today we hear that security guard Jesus Campos is not a licensed security guard in Nevada. Moreover, the timeline initially reported is in error. Campos was shot 6 minutes before Paddock opened up on the crowd below. "Security Guard"

22,000 people at the concert and more in the immediate surrounding area and a lot of conflicting reports about what happened. It would be interesting to see the forensic evidence that has been collected so far.

Posted by JohnQC 2017-10-12 11:33|| 2017-10-12 11:33|| Front Page Top

#7 I am thinking disinformation. But why?

Posted by Thomose Spawn of the Antelope4762 2017-10-12 11:54|| 2017-10-12 11:54|| Front Page Top

#8 Seems like a lot of CYA coming from everyone. I think the hotel blew it, the police blew it and the FBI blew it and everyone knows it and is trying to cover up their incompetence.

Posted by DarthVader 2017-10-12 12:06|| 2017-10-12 12:06|| Front Page Top

#9 CYA is so inculcated in any bureaucracy these days that it is a given.

See the SPoD on the SWAT team response. I think the same thing is a big factor in the highly reported police shooting cases. CYA says it's better to shoot first and ask questions later.

Posted by AlanC 2017-10-12 14:10|| 2017-10-12 14:10|| Front Page Top

#10 The blocked stairwell door is hugely significant to me, has anyone been able to determine the precise way it was blocked? Either to prevent the anticipated LE response from avoiding the long hallway killzone, or the prevent the pursuit of those that were with him initially. The method and details would answer that question. That the were emphatic that he had an escape plan makes we wonder how he planned to bail. Surely if there were hallway and stairwell cameras we would have seen footage by now, unless the FBI wants to suppress what was captured on tape....

Posted by NoMoreBS 2017-10-12 15:39|| 2017-10-12 15:39|| Front Page Top

#11 By the time they had arrived, the firing had stopped. They did SOP to wait with no immediate threat. There are other considerations to consider - evac of adjacent rooms, lockdown of the hotel, and collecting information.

Had firing re-started, they would have rushed in.

things sound kind of out of whack. I do have a problem with no being able to get a close to correct timeline 10 days after the fact, but that is one hell of a crime scene to process.

When the FBI and BATF give brief, it will give a better picture.
Take your time but hurry up.

Posted by newc 2017-10-12 17:27|| 2017-10-12 17:27|| Front Page Top

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