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2017-12-02 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Sara Hoyt: The Moving Finger Fingers Our 'Moral Betters'

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Posted by Besoeker 2017-12-02 03:41|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top

#1 Well done. The comments are reasonable, moderate, and some give the impression of relief at finally being able to say something they believe.
Back in the day, in a field project in a dicey area, I was asked to teach the female staff self defense. So after dinner, we would get out the mats and the ladies would be throwing Aubrey hither and yon.
At the forty-year reunion, two of them referenced that even before noticing I'd put on weight or even saying hello. It appears to have been important to them all along, more than I had anticipated. Neither of them had had to use it. But having it in their quiver just in case made a difference to them.

Posted by Richard Aubrey 2017-12-02 07:37|| 2017-12-02 07:37|| Front Page Top

#2 She’s good. More from the article, with my thoughts:

Some of us grew up in another time and place. We were taught the way women respond to unwanted advances, much less to advances that amount to professional extortion. There is the “freeze face” — the look that puts a man at a remote distance, where they’re ants, and you’re a goddess. And there is the “How dare you?”

For men who persist or who start out with groping, where I come from in another time and place, there was the slap, or for the really slow of learning ones, the punch.

There are very few men who continue being amorous when you punch them in the face. (And there are self-defense classes to handle those.)

I have been naive and oblivious all my life. Looking back now on a very few conversations with male colleagues before I retired to have children, it occurs to me that they might have been passes — but I was engaged at nineteen, married when I was twenty, and always responded to such things with, “I’m so glad you’re only joking, and don’t really mean that! I could never be friends with someone who meant that to a married woman.”

If women are going to be adult human beings, in the workplace we need to stand on two legs and demand to be treated like adult human beings. We need to, yes, refuse tainted advancement based on putting out. We need to behave as professionals.

Yes.

Posted by trailing wife 2017-12-02 12:14|| 2017-12-02 12:14|| Front Page Top

#3 I have been naive and oblivious all my life.

Referred to in some circles as Christian innocence, the character of which men once sought after.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-12-02 12:23|| 2017-12-02 12:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Similarly, nice Jewish goil.

Posted by Shipman 2017-12-02 13:31|| 2017-12-02 13:31|| Front Page Top

#5 You are a dear, Besoeker.

Posted by trailing wife 2017-12-02 13:37|| 2017-12-02 13:37|| Front Page Top

#6 And Shipman, always!

Posted by trailing wife 2017-12-02 13:38|| 2017-12-02 13:38|| Front Page Top

#7 Probably ‘some’ circles, B.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-12-02 16:17|| 2017-12-02 16:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Corrected! Thanks Skid.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-12-02 16:43|| 2017-12-02 16:43|| Front Page Top

Posted by Jasing the Limber5475 2017-12-02 18:00|| 2017-12-02 18:00|| Front Page Top

#10 I've worked nearly 40 years, 35 in Engineering, and other than friendly banter, never sexually harrassed any wymyns - to my knowledge, and certainly not unwittingly successfully

Posted by Frank G 2017-12-02 18:35|| 2017-12-02 18:35|| Front Page Top

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