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2023-07-08 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

How the Black Sea Fleet is being updated

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Posted by badanov 2023-07-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [13 views ] Top

#1 A naval ship is only a slow moving foxhole.

Posted by Tarzan Grolump8219 2023-07-08 13:42|| 2023-07-08 13:42|| Front Page Top

#2 An accelerating and swerving foxhole. These patrol boats are cheap anti-ship platforms. Ukraine has no surface naval ships as far as I know. Adding them has some use but not much.

They are not a replacement for the theoretical capabilities of the Moskva. I say theoretical because many navies operate with units that are degraded in some way. I operated once with a South American navy that was proud of its two Italian made corvettes. One had an engine issue that only allowed it to go half speed. This issue, which they could not afford to fix, impacted every exercise that we did width that navy. We pretended not to notice.

I suspect that not all of of the Moskva’s systems were operational. I have a low opinion of Russian maintenance of naval assets. It is level above inshallah maintenance but still not good. Regardless, these little patrol craft will have cruise missiles, but will have short range AA capability only. You could probably take them out with missiles, but not gun fire. You can mortar a foxhole because it doesn’t move. For these little vessels, a missile seems wasteful, but they may get hit as the US is paying. In the end, the naval battle remains on the level of The Battle of Lake Erie, in that it is largely irrelevant to the overall outcome of the conflict.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-07-08 15:35|| 2023-07-08 15:35|| Front Page Top

#3 One thing is sure. A ship is not much good at holding territory.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-07-08 15:38|| 2023-07-08 15:38|| Front Page Top

#4 It can be. Usually it will cost you. The UK still has the Falklands.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-07-08 15:49|| 2023-07-08 15:49|| Front Page Top

#5 That's Islas Malvinas to you, buster! (j/k)

Posted by DooDahMan 2023-07-08 18:15|| 2023-07-08 18:15|| Front Page Top

#6 Or, as Bath House said, the Maldives

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-07-08 18:23|| 2023-07-08 18:23|| Front Page Top

#7 Oh, yeah, I remember that now. It's one of the 57 states.

Posted by DooDahMan 2023-07-08 18:27|| 2023-07-08 18:27|| Front Page Top

#8 I looked at the Karatkurk class pictures on google. It reminds me of some Minerva class corvettes that I saw in South America. It look like some of the capabilities might be like a Perry class frigate. It is more appropriate, in my opinion, for the Black Sea than the Moskva. It has some AA capabilities with the gun and maybe Sea Sparrow like missiles- out to 5NM with the gun and maybe 15 for missiles depending what is loaded in the canisters. It ought to be able to protect itself within reason.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-07-08 19:15|| 2023-07-08 19:15|| Front Page Top

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