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2023-12-29 -Short Attention Span Theater-

Nikki Haley is slammed for refusing to name slavery as primary cause of Civil War during tense town hall back-and-forth with voter

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Posted by Skidmark 2023-12-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [18 views ] Top

#1 This is her "good people on both sides moment." That was out of context bullshit to get Trump but even with the media backing her the way they backed "Maverick" McCain, she's done.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-29 06:21|| 2023-12-29 06:21|| Front Page Top

#2 Primary cause of the Civil War? Rubbish.

Posted by DooDahMan 2023-12-29 06:54|| 2023-12-29 06:54|| Front Page Top

#3 In 1860 what would be the 13th Amendment could not have passed. It was passed in 1865. Something fundamental happened in between. Nuff said. Everything else is rationalization.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-12-29 06:55|| 2023-12-29 06:55|| Front Page Top

#4 /\ Or a 'politically correct' cover for action.

Google - What states did the Emancipation Proclamation apply to?

The ten affected states were individually named in the final Emancipation Proclamation (South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina). Not included were the Union slave states of Maryland, Delaware, Missouri and Kentucky.

The states as underlined above did NOT succeed from the Union, as was permitted by the constitution. Causation issue solved.

What are your questions ?

Posted by Besoeker 2023-12-29 07:35|| 2023-12-29 07:35|| Front Page Top

#5 Lincoln took an act of a union general who stipulated that as 'property', slaves were contraband utilized in the economy of the rebellion and thus could be seized, and under federal control. Since the exempted states were not in rebellion such seizing could not be justified.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-12-29 07:58|| 2023-12-29 07:58|| Front Page Top

#6
While there is no way in hell's 1/2 Ac. I would vote for Nikki Haley, given her Politically Opportunist RINO status.

The Corwin, aka Ghost Amendment, bears her out to a good extent.

The 36th United States Congress proposed the Corwin Amendment on March 2, 1861, before the outbreak of the American Civil War, with the intent of preventing that war and preserving the Union.

The Corwin Amendment was clear.
"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."

Posted by NN2N1 2023-12-29 08:03|| 2023-12-29 08:03|| Front Page Top

#7 If one reads through "The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States" for Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia, slavery is noted only as it pertains to 'States Rights'.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-12-29 08:19|| 2023-12-29 08:19|| Front Page Top

#8

Less many forget there were 4 Northern (UNION) States that allowed Slavery:
Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri.

An many other Northern State (UNION) legally recognized the right of ownership even long before the war.

PLUS
The Slavery issue was not raised as a war cause by the UNION until January 1, 1863, with the Emancipation Proclamation, and the war started on April 12, 1861.

Posted by NN2N1 2023-12-29 09:12|| 2023-12-29 09:12|| Front Page Top

#9 When politicians start talking helping the oppressed, disadvantaged, or downtrodden, keep an eye on your wallet.

As true then as it is now.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-12-29 09:20|| 2023-12-29 09:20|| Front Page Top

#10 succeed it's SECEEDE. There were many causes for the Civil War. When an adviser told Lincoln that maybe they should let the south go he said "Let the south go! My God man who would pay our tariffs?" A big part was about money.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-12-29 11:02|| 2023-12-29 11:02|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ Yes, following the money. Isn't that pretty much a common denominator ?

Posted by Besoeker 2023-12-29 11:08|| 2023-12-29 11:08|| Front Page Top

#12 "Let the south go! My God man who would pay our tariffs?"

Considering the cost of the war and the lack of significant southern sourced tariffs afterward I have serious doubts about the assertion.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-12-29 11:16|| 2023-12-29 11:16|| Front Page Top

#13 Her best answer should have been “democrats insisting on slavery was the root cause”

Posted by Airandee 2023-12-29 11:34|| 2023-12-29 11:34|| Front Page Top

#14 BLUF: She's not intellectually agile...

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-12-29 11:58|| 2023-12-29 11:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Nikki ended up defending a college thesis in a town hall. She failed spectacularly. Nuance is not for town halls and political rallies. Her campaign was failing, but she is now no longer viable for 2028. The kid who called her John Kerry made a simple statement that crystallized the opinions of a large group of people. He has a brighter political future than she does.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-12-29 12:19|| 2023-12-29 12:19|| Front Page Top

#16 The Southern states of the US, including Haley's home state of South Carolina, were pro-slavery, while Northern states were anti-slavery

Daily Mail everyone.

There was plenty of support for a servant caste in 'The North'. Still is.

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-12-29 17:16|| 2023-12-29 17:16|| Front Page Top

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