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2003-10-27 Iraq

Explosion Rocks Central Baghdad, Intâl Red Cross Building Targeted

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Posted by Steve White 2003-10-27 2:21:56 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Ten bucks that later today the US is blamed for allowing the bombings to happen, instead of blaming who carried them out.

Posted by Charles 2003-10-27 2:32:24 AM|| 2003-10-27 2:32:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Targeting the UN & NGOs is classic Izzoid - they don't give a shit about their fellow Muslims - endless suffering is what they want. They know the media will, indeed, blame the US... right after they figure out how to blame the US for the recent sunspots and the resurgence of polio and moronic Muslim fears of vaccines and disappearing penises. They won't bother with looking too long -- if the facts don't drop by the hotel bar and demand to be taken into account, they'll just make 'em up or use spin to cover the lack.

Charles, after much deliberation, I'll put $10 on "The Jooos Did It"

Posted by .com 2003-10-27 3:00:24 AM|| 2003-10-27 3:00:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The morlock authoritarians ("true because we say it is") at nazimedia are already blaming the US, not for allowing the bombings to happen, but for actually carrying them out.
I wonder if the media-careerists who run nazimedia understand that the steady diet of incitement to terrorism and violence they provide to their timid but impressionable audience must sooner or later reach critical mass? The climax could come very suddenly, given the extreme conformity and mob mentality of the far left.
At that point, the nazimedia audience, the moonbat conformist element of the pop-left, will spontaneously erupt in really massive violence.
I believe that this will happen next year, when nazimedia and other LLL agitators will try to delegitimize either the Democratic nomination (because a non-moonbat is nominated), or (if Dean or Kucinich is nominated) the general election. The 2000 election and the recall in California have provided a lot of practice for this.
The nazimedia and LLL leaders, of course, do not want a violent showdown, but they are trapped by their own rhetoric. In order to maintain their own power and prestige, they must maintain the perceived level of stridency and feed the outrage of their followers, until the latter reaches the point at which their natural aggression overcomes their innate cowardice.
The "peace movement" is dropping any pretense of interest in peace, and revealing themselves for the murder apologists and savage power-seeking authoritarians they have always been.
"The peace movement is objectively pro-fascist"-George Orwell, 1942.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-10-27 4:26:27 AM|| 2003-10-27 4:26:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 No offence but you have to give those Iraqis some credit, they are getting more and more organised, they knew exactly in which hotel Wolfowitz was sleeping. Those mean Baathy boys disturbing so ruthlessly Paulâs beauty sleep, he should sue Saddam for getting him ripples.

Posted by Murat 2003-10-27 5:02:52 AM|| 2003-10-27 5:02:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Murat, that building, indeed the whole city, is full of fifth column media career builders who would cheerfully sell their mothers to Kim Il Sung for a little access. How much easier then would it be for the media-swine to provide a little intel to people with whom they actively sympathize, and probably have lucrative financial relationships? The jihadis didn't know which room Wolfy was in, or they were unable to hit it (perhaps because the heroic rocketeers ran away before their weapons launched). Gloating about this shows just how desperate the Saddam apologists and islamo-fascist sympathizers have become for any semblance of success.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-10-27 5:13:11 AM|| 2003-10-27 5:13:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe he was wise enough to switch rooms with the colonel who knows.

Posted by Murat 2003-10-27 5:25:23 AM|| 2003-10-27 5:25:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I should've guessed this would bring out the shitheads.

Murat, for any visitors, is one of the three disingenuous denizens of hate that frequent Rantburg on an irregular basis - whenever they think there's something to gloat about or an interminable debate afoot where someone might mistakenly take them seriously or well after everyone else has gone for the day. (those are hints)

Murat is our gloater. He peaks in orgasmic giddy joy when an American dies. He is a Turk. He is a Moslem. He is an asshole. But first, and foremost, he is our pet bitch.

I leave it the regular Rantburgerians to guess the other two spheres (i.e. pointless) of disinfluence.

I now think of them as Rantburg's very own Axis of Bitches.

Posted by .com 2003-10-27 5:44:13 AM|| 2003-10-27 5:44:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Shhhht .com,

Relax down, easy boy, take your pills before you get hurt yourself, donât throw with dirt while you self are the elite member of the axis of assholes. Why do you have to take shitty words always, do you have problems with clean language (oh well I shall not expect a decent level from you and blame it on your childhood, bad education from your mama)

Posted by Murat 2003-10-27 5:56:23 AM|| 2003-10-27 5:56:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Zeyad at Healing Iraq isn't about to join you and "give those Iraqis [sic] some credit, they are getting more and more organised". He accounts:

"My brother came home from school very early this morning and told us all about it. His high school is about 200 meters from the targetted site. He told us that blood was all over the place and people from the area were putting injured kids from the school into taxis taking them to hospitals. Parents were panicking trying to find their children among the mess."

This gets your credit, Murat? You sick f***.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-10-27 6:04:10 AM|| 2003-10-27 6:04:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Link to the Healing Iraq post.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-10-27 6:07:19 AM|| 2003-10-27 6:07:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Shitheads, asshole, bitches - these words upset you? So, uh, the death of Americans amuses you, but these words offend? You are a singuar treasure, muRat, and my favorite troll bitch.

And to be named an elite, not just a card-carrying or regular member, but an elite member of those you would consider to be the "axis of assholes" (I see it didn't bother you all that much, now did it!) is an honor I shall wear proudly.

BTW, my mother was a dead-eye shot and would've kicked your ass with ease - in any venue. Oh, and say hello to your wife for me, we "smoked" again recently, but no words were spoken. None were needed, of course. 8^)

Posted by .com 2003-10-27 6:11:43 AM|| 2003-10-27 6:11:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 AC - Those are excellent and telling points. I would like to believe the follower-twits aren't quite that gullible, but there is scant evidence for such optimism - and plenty for your predictions. Sigh. Thx.

BD - Thx. I hadn't checked Zeyad out today, but I will now! BTW, "sick f***" - can I order you a new kybd? Mine seems to work a little better... ;->

Posted by .com 2003-10-27 6:21:59 AM|| 2003-10-27 6:21:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Hi Bulldog,

I did not start this war did I? If there is a credit you talk about it is on the account of the US and UK, do you remember that limbless kid whose family died in the rain of bombs (happy to be liberated by the US), victim of the mass destruction weapon lies. My heart is aching with the compassion you try to picture now dear Bulldog, albeit a camouflaged one it is nice tried, you almost convinced me the US and Britain being saints.

Posted by Murat 2003-10-27 6:49:33 AM|| 2003-10-27 6:49:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 There was a difference then, Murat. The US and Britain went to extreme lengths to avoid civilian casualties during the war itself. Now in Baghdad, suicide bombers are deliberately targetting civilians, delibertely setting off bombs outside schools in the full knowledge that innocent people will die as a result. Their main target was a humanitarian organisation, FFS. And for this activity, you ask us to give "credit" to the murders.

On the one hand you condemn the coalition for a mounting a campaign in which civilians were not targetted (a campaign in which the aggressors dropped concrete bombs on armoured vehicles hidden in civilian areas where their owners thought they might have enjoyed protection from allied bombs precisely because they would go to strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties), which removed a man and his regime which over the years was responsible for the pointless deaths of millions of your fellow Muslims, and then you revel in the deliberate slaughter of more of your fellow Muslims in the streets and schools of Baghdad today. Calling someone a "sick f***" is not something I do very often, but unless you start condemning murder instead of "crediting" it, it's a label you're going to be stuck with.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-10-27 7:25:17 AM|| 2003-10-27 7:25:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 UPDATE: The BBC now puts the death toll at "more than 30".

Police also apparently stopped one suicide bomber:

"At a fifth police station, officers stopped an apparent suicide bomber before he could detonate his vehicle. "He was shouting, 'Death to the Iraqi police! You're collaborators!'" said police sergeant Ahmed Abdel Sattar."

I guess it's likely that his was the only death at that location.

Does the "credit" level rise in line with the death toll, Murat?

Posted by Bulldog 2003-10-27 8:11:30 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:11:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Whow now donât put words in my mouth, where did I write to give credit for murder, I gave them credit for more and more organised attacks, or do you claim different?

They do get more and more affective, bombing of the hotels where Americans reside, bombing of the UN, bombing the Turkish embassy, shooting rockets on the al Rashid hotel disturbing the nightly rest of Paulie, shooting down a black hawk. They are fighting an asymmetric warfare like David against Goliath, and for the body count they are nowhere near the death toll the âalliesâ inflicted upon the Iraqis. At least they are the one fighting against the occupation and the looting of their oil. Ahhh, I guess you are now going lecture me on the noble aims of the US to better the world and all of those billions invested into the war and those casualties sacrificed has nothing to do with self benefit and the hegemony on the world resources. You guys are saints, simply lovely.

Posted by Murat 2003-10-27 8:27:49 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:27:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Wonderful kick-off to the "holy" month of Ramadan, eh?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-10-27 8:33:22 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-10-27 8:33:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 According to a StategyPage.com article the situation in Iraq is a civil war like the one in Lebanon ten years ago rather than resistance against The Coalition. So once a permanent Goverment is in place the Shi'a and Kurd forces plus some Sunn'i allies would wipeout the Baathists and Islamists

Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-27 8:35:58 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:35:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Murat, let's not refer to the Red Cross bombers and Saddam loyalists and foreign terrorists as "those Iraqis" -- that's an insult to Iraqis. And ".com": let's not refer to Murat as a Turk or a Moslem -- that's an insult to Turks and Moslems. I can't dispute "gloater" though, and that's a characteristic that no Rantburger, Iraqi, Turk, or Moslem would find to be endearing. Scurry away, m-YOU-RAT! Back to your hole!

Posted by Tom 2003-10-27 8:38:28 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:38:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 I gave them credit for more and more organised attacks

And this morning's bombings weren't "organised attacks"? Firing rockets within central Baghdad at a hotel doesn't endager civilians? you can't criticise the coalition for inflicting civilian casualties and at the same time relish these bombings and rocket attacks taking place now, or are you too stupid to see the contradiction? f I wasn't feeling so charitable, I'd call you a hypocrite, for that is what you are.

They are fighting an asymmetric warfare like David against Goliath

I don't remember David sneaking off to the Philistine camp to murder innocent women and children. Come to think of it, I don't remember David trying to kill Goliath in his bed. David fought like a man, not like a coward. The terrorists you admire so much are successful at the moment only because they attack soft targets and use the innocent as their shields. They, and you, are scum.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-10-27 8:44:41 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:44:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 What a wonderful sense of outrage from Bulldog and his ilk. Really droll, calling Murat a "sick f***". That really ends all argument. Murat is silenced forever. Speaking of civilian casualties, I find it even more refreshing to find that according to people like Bulldog and .com, the US army evidently did not kill any civilian. It's like this -- all the people killed by the US army just had to be terrorists, right? Otherwise what coould they have been doing standing in the line of fire?
Oh yes, and the cluster bombs that are now strewn all over the countryside? The ones that will undoubtedly kill and maim a few hundred Iraqi children more? They were probably planted by the French/Iraqi/German/Rest of the world opposing unilateral action, just to discredit the US.
I find all this very convincing, really. It's the truth. It's probably on Fox news as well.
Besides, what would we do without the US protecting us from evil dictators like Saddam and Musharraf...(oops, not Mush. He is a "trusted ally against the war on terror")? Three cheers for the USA. Selflessly sacrificing soldiers and other civilians for the true goal - democracy. The oil reserves are an incidental bonus...the US never thought of that, honest...

Posted by Prof 2003-10-27 8:52:54 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:52:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Murat--

Just to be clear, then--it's OK when the PKK, for example, kills Turks in order to end the occupation of their land (the PKK aren't even foreign fighters!). They should also target Red Cross installations and civilian targets--that way I should jump on Rantburg to "credit" them, correct?

I used to understand your point of view even when I disagreed with it. No more. If you miss Saddam, just come out and say so.

Posted by BMN 2003-10-27 8:53:25 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:53:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Well Bulldog,

If you like fighting like a man you could arrange sophisticated weapons, attack helicopters, space and radar technology and all of the rest of armoured material to the Iraqis and fight on an equal basis. Or you could leave all of those armors, helicopters etc. and fight man to man like a real man does, I know you would do that since you donât belong to the cowards and scum dear Bulldog.

Posted by Murat 2003-10-27 8:54:10 AM|| 2003-10-27 8:54:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Fighting the occupation, over the body of one Cypriot child at a time. I mean, it was fair what your side did to them, right Murat?

Baiting Aris...

Posted by Brian 2003-10-27 9:15:24 AM|| 2003-10-27 9:15:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 To Prof I do not recall the manual abuot combat that states civilians never die in wars however there is a far difference between trying to avoid civilians causalities with some being killed or wounded and deliberate attacks of civilian targets. As for the remark about Musharff instead of using him as a reason not to have overthrown Saddam who a butcher of humanity why don't You instead call for the ouster Musharrf who as a supporter of Islamic Criminal Groups is responsible for the murder of many thousands though not to the scale of Saddam's Mafia

Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-27 9:20:01 AM|| 2003-10-27 9:20:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Or you could leave all of those armors, helicopters etc. and fight man to man like a real man does

Ah, the third-world myth of the warrior. It's so cute when they feel their manhood is threatened.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-10-27 9:28:20 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-10-27 9:28:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 Murat talks about fighting like a man. Sorry Murat, but 'real men' dont target innocent civilians. 'Real men' dont target non-combatants like the Red Cross. 'Real men' dont hide in hospitals and ambulances.

Murat, what we have here are a bunch of rabit dogs and they should be treated as rabid dogs and outright killed on sight before innocent people get hurt.

This isn't 'David vs Goliath' (a Jewish reference Murat?).

And Prof. If we wanted the Oooiiiilll! We would not be building schools and hospitals would we? We would simply take and hold the oil fields and let the rest of the country (except for the pipelines) burn -- f*ck them.

Instead we are building and repairing schools and hospitals. Restoring and Improving infrastructure. And allowing the Iraqi people to be free.

You see we did this sort of thing before in Japan and Europe after WW 2. Its an odd habit we have to rebuild countries. We are not 'perfect' and we dont claim to be.

Posted by CrazyFool 2003-10-27 9:37:38 AM|| 2003-10-27 9:37:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Or you could leave all of those armors, helicopters etc. and fight man to man like a real man does

Sorry, Murat, but if you were to fight "man to man like a real man does" with Lennox Lewis, I'd still put my money on Lewis...

Posted by snellenr 2003-10-27 9:38:08 AM|| 2003-10-27 9:38:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Snellnr: I'd put my money on Lewis even if it were Jerry Lewis he was fighting.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-10-27 9:47:04 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-10-27 9:47:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Charles: I hate to post where Murat, The Troll, has sucked all the air out of the bandwidth...but your question (how long before they blame the Americans) has already been answered; it took nano seconds.

Try this...

One official said that the military had specific intelligence of an imminent attack on the hotel, the Rashid, where senior personnel of the American occupation live and eat, but that no special precautions had been taken.

they said, it was unlikely that Mr. Wolfowitz was a target. His visit was not announced in advance.

Nonetheless, a senior military official said, ''We knew this was coming.'' The official, speaking on the condition that he not be identified, declined to give details, but said several precautionary security measures could have been taken, including moving Mr. Wolfowitz and his delegation out of the hotel, increasing the security alert and increasing patrols around the hotel. None of those things happened, he said.

Oh but wait, the reporter either has dementia or didn't get a complete scoop and an editor tagged it into this piece later. Because apparently the terrorists managed to bypass security measures which had been taken.

The launcher was hidden in a blue trailer made to resemble a mobile electricity generator, a ubiquitous item in Baghdad, where electrical service is unreliable. In the quiet of early Sunday morning, a white passenger vehicle towed the trailer down a major street that runs between the hotel and a large park. It was then unhitched at a cloverleaf that had been closed by the Americans for security reasons. The car pulled away. Soon after, at 6:08 a.m., 8 to 10 missiles thudded into the hotel, about 450 yards away, officials said.

Posted by B 2003-10-27 10:44:10 AM|| 2003-10-27 10:44:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Murat - never seen a post of yours where your an
idiot. What gives?

Fight like a man - just like the turks left all their tanks, attack helicopters and jets when fighting the kurds. And this was not against a very large country with a large armed forces....and the turks were very virtuous in their actions during this endeavorâ¦I bet your history books are full of bullshit.

What a load of crap you spew these days...you sound like the little country that is too stupid to admit their own shortcomings.

The Euroelites spanked your Asses - not allowing NATO come help you guys and then giving you shit on membership in the EU.

You are in a dangerous part of the world and your only friends (well kind of if we have too) are the Americans.

Posted by Dan 2003-10-27 10:54:39 AM|| 2003-10-27 10:54:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Ahhh, I guess you are now going lecture me on the noble aims of the US to better the world and all of those billions invested into the war and those casualties sacrificed has nothing to do with self benefit and the hegemony on the world resources. You guys are saints, simply lovely.

Murat-

You would prefer Saddam - youâre a frog.

Bottom line is that the United States no longer is going take this bullshit of hate and violence directed towards her. These countries cannot support terrorism and be immune. No matter who is president we cannot shriek from this challenge - not when our homeland is endangered.
And obviously Murat - as a Turk - you are a little peeved and envious of our power. You used to be top dog in your sphere - no more...get used to it. We are in this for the long haul and no bombings by a few idiots is going to change this.
Iraq today is a much different place than 8 months ago - no one can refute this. Yes there are some problems, but look at where the problems are. They are with the Sunnis - the same people who have ruled the majority for the last 80 years and who have the everything to loose. Why because under Saddam (your buddy) they reaped the benefits at the expense of the rest.
So take a hard look at what is happening in your neck of the woods and ask yourself "Just how bad is it? If you want the status quo it is very bad, but if you want a chance at freedom the future is looking a little brighter than 8 months ago.

Posted by Dan 2003-10-27 11:20:44 AM|| 2003-10-27 11:20:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 The Red Cross?!
What evil jihadi ignorant f'ers.
Muhammed did say all crosses would be smashed, so they are just following their evil prophet.
From the Hadiths:
"Jesus son of Mary shall descend; then he will kill the swine and destroy the Cross; and a congregation will be held for him for the Prayer; and he will distribute so much wealth that people will be satiated with it; and he will abolish the tribute; and he will encamp at Rauha', B and from there will go to perform Hajj or 'Umrah, or both."
"'When the liar will see Jesus, he will start dissolving like the salt in water. Then Jesus will advance towards him and will slay him; and it will so happen that the trees and the stones will cry out: '0h Spirit of Allah, here is a Jew hiding behind me.' None will be left from among the followers of the Dajjal, whom he (i.e. Jesus) will not kill."
"Then in the morning Jesus son of Mary will join the Muslims, and Allah will cause the Dajjal and his hosts to be routed, until the walls and the roots of the trees will call 'out: "0h believer, here is a disbeliever hidden behind me: come and kill him." (Ahmad, Hakem)."
"Jesus will say, "I shall strike you a blow which will not let you live." And he will overtake him at the eastern gate of Lod, and Allah will cause the Jews to be defeated.... And the earth will be so filled with the Muslims as a vessel is filled with water. The entire world shall recite and follow one and the same Kalimah (word) and none shall be worshipped except Allah."
"The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. "
Read all about the apocalyptic mass murder and 'final solution' of the 'Master faith':
http://islamicweb.com/history/ww3.htm

Posted by TS 2003-10-27 11:26:44 AM|| 2003-10-27 11:26:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 The ultimate irony of the Hadiths in the above statement is that jesus Christ came as a ethnic Jew and so was Mary

Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-27 11:35:59 AM|| 2003-10-27 11:35:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 The "Prof" wrote: Speaking of civilian casualties, I find it even more refreshing to find that according to people like Bulldog and .com, the US army evidently did not kill any civilian.

No, perfesser, the US army does acknowledge that civilians have died in the liberation of Iraq. It went to great lengths to avoid killing civilians but acknowledges that civilians did die. Further, it acknowledges that some civilians died after the major fighting was declared over. You may have missed the apologies given by some US commanders to the families of the civilians who died, and the compensation paid to those families.

I realize that such news may burst your ideological bubble. Sorry :-)

The "Prof" also wrote: Besides, what would we do without the US protecting us from evil dictators like Saddam

Tell me, Perfesser, what is your assessment of Saddam? Do you consider him evil? And if so, who is more evil, Saddam or GWB?

Posted by Steve White 2003-10-27 11:46:26 AM|| 2003-10-27 11:46:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 Murat wrote: If you like fighting like a man you could arrange sophisticated weapons, attack helicopters, space and radar technology and all of the rest of armoured material to the Iraqis and fight on an equal basis. Or you could leave all of those armors, helicopters etc. and fight man to man like a real man does ...

Murat, you have to know how silly that sounds. It might make a good end-of-Hollywood-movie (we've seen it before here in the States): hero puts down pistol leveled at bad guy, then hero and bad guy duke it out with furious fists and karate kicks (meanwhile heroine screams and looks pretty).

But modern warfare isn't like that. It isn't about being a warrior, it's about being a soldier. Soldiers don't do stupid things, because stupid things get them killed. And putting down your superior weapons to go mano-a-mano with the bad guys is supremely stupid.

I think it was George Patton who said (paraphrasing), "you don't win a war dying for your country, you win by making the other son-of-a-bitch die for his." That's why you don't put your weapons down. It isn't about being a warrior, it's about winning a war.

Posted by Steve White 2003-10-27 11:53:24 AM|| 2003-10-27 11:53:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 There's also the point that US or British soldiers wouldn't climb into a truck packed with explosives and career it into a Red Crescent building. Manhood's not about the strength of your equipment (no sniggers pls) - it's about how you conduct yourself.

"Prof" - you're obviously not an English master, or you'd know the definition of "unilateral" and where it's use is inappropriate. Perhaps English isn't your first language. And you should go and get some reading glasses too - where on earth do you get the idea that I, or anyone else here, don't think that the coalition caused any civilian casualties? If you can't formulate a semi-coherent argument without inventing others' opinions and distorting reality, I recommend you souldn't bother trying.

Posted by Bulldog 2003-10-27 12:20:12 PM|| 2003-10-27 12:20:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 About Murat do not worry about what he says because if a Unified Islamic Emirate is established there will be a civil war between the various contenders of rulership.Which are mainly the Sunni Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Egypt;The Aryans of Pakistan,Afghanistan and India;the Malays of Indonesia,Thailand and Malaysia;the Turkic peoples of Turkey,Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan; and finally the Africans of Nigeria,Somalia and Kenya not to mention the Shias of Iran and Lebanon and the Turkic group would be among the first losers. the hypothetical civil war will happen because of the inherant racism in the above mentioned peoples

Posted by Anonymous 2003-10-27 12:37:08 PM|| 2003-10-27 12:37:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 This is awesome. Rantburg fireworks.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-27 12:47:07 PM|| 2003-10-27 12:47:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 To Prof:

I'm currently an officer in the Marine Corps. So let me educate you "Professor", on a few things having to do w/the war in Iraq: Civilians die, children die, soldiers die. We don't target civilians. Nothing goes exactly to plan. We are not perfect but we try to execute our missions to perfection. Saddam was an asshole - I know you're going to talk about Rumsfeld/Reagan supporting him in the early 80s...who gives a shit. F*ck Saddam. He's done now & that's history. He was fighting a bigger enemy for us in Iran at the time. Musharaf is also a jerk but let's take it one asshole at a time. As far as protecting you from evil dictators - no thanks necessary, that's just a bonus from your beloved American armed forces. We're sworn to support & defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic as well as carry out the orders of the president. If that means we waste Hussein then good to go. If that means we waste the Ayatollah, Kimmie, or even Mushi then also good to go. Unless you've been to Iraq or had close buddies there you don't know what you're saying. I'm sure you just get the great coverage off C-Span. If we just wanted the oil would we be putting 87 billion up front and really believe we'll be the sole recipient of oil money? Get a clue. War is not the most terrible of things - men who have nothing that they believe is worth fighting for are.

Posted by Jarhead 2003-10-27 1:13:57 PM|| 2003-10-27 1:13:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Hey Fred, could you turn that honkin' long URL in B's comment above into a link? It makes the whole page a screen and 1/2 wide in Mozilla. Thanks!

Posted by Old Grouch 2003-10-27 1:14:02 PM|| 2003-10-27 1:14:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 oops...sorry..I forgot.

Posted by B 2003-10-27 1:29:00 PM|| 2003-10-27 1:29:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 OG - You only need the stuff in front of the "?" (question mark) - the rest is just parameter data. I tried it and it works - there isn't anything essential beyond it.

Keep this in mind when you get URLS - if you see a "?" in it, everything after that point is passed data - and may not matter. In fact, sometimes modifying a URL lets you get into surprising places - where the full URL will get you a "refused" response (for several possible reasons)... I try all sorts of modified URLS to go places that a poor / sloppy webmaster hasn't properly protected through configuration. Try everything up to and including a "/" (forward slash), for example, (particularly true of the last one in the URL) and you may find yourself browsing the site FTP-style. Heh. Enjoy! ;-)

Posted by .com 2003-10-27 1:47:55 PM|| 2003-10-27 1:47:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 "Or you could leave all of those armors, helicopters etc. and fight man to man like a real man does,"

This kind of playground taunting is quite common among the leaders and philosophical authorities of the so-called peace movement. Rigid Hollywood/Berkeley colonial conformist that you are, you would naturally use it yourself.

It is quite similar, in its own crude way, to the "Cult of Valor" that prevailed in heavily militarized Europe during the 19th Century.
On this side of the Atlantic, George A. Custer was a noted exponent. He is justly vilified today, but few have questioned his courage or his sportsmanship.
During the First World War, this "Cult of Valor" led elderly militarists to champion the bayonet and, conversely, to condemn such weapons as submarines, tanks, and bombers for their "unsporting" nature.
The immediate result was the enormous slaughter of the time, when unprotected conscripts walked straight into a firestorm of machine guns and quick-firing artillery. A whole generation was massacred, and the effects resonate to this day; not least in your own land of Turkey.

It is a measure of the "Peace" Movement's depraved hypocrisy that it now endorses this evil and destructive relic from a well-vanished past.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-10-27 9:27:10 PM|| 2003-10-27 9:27:10 PM|| Front Page Top

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