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2012-03-12 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
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Posted by  2012-03-12 07:02|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [237 views ]  Top

#1 I would beth the 2 or 3 Israeli airstrikes did alot more damage than alll of the Paleosd rockets combined!
Posted by chris 2012-03-12 08:24||   2012-03-12 08:24|| Front Page Top

#2 The arstrikes are also a lot more targeted at the militants. The rockets - deliberately at civilians.

But just watch who the LSM and Human [abusers] Rights groups point the finger at.
Posted by Crazyfool 2012-03-12 08:41||   2012-03-12 08:41|| Front Page Top

#3 I think Israel should line up a few artillery pieces and everytime a rocket is fired, fired a shell into Gaza. If that doesn't stop the rockets fire 2, 3 ,4 shells, etc until they stop.
Posted by Phil_B 2012-03-12 09:29||   2012-03-12 09:29|| Front Page Top

#4 Ditto that Phil_B.
Posted by Dale 2012-03-12 09:48||   2012-03-12 09:48|| Front Page Top

#5 That works only as a short term tactic. Until the Israelis realize that the one thing, the only thing, that this conflict is about is land, it will continue, and likely get worse.

Since the Paleos and their Muslim backers are entirely focused on land, ALL the land, and literally nothing else matters, this leaves the Israelis only two strategic options.

Either give the Muslims ALL of Israel, or TAKE AWAY the lands used by Muslims to attack Israel.

This can be done gradually, or all at once, but the end result is the same: no more Muslims living where they can and do attack Israel. This means men, women, and children. They all go.

If that means kicking the Paleos out of Gaza into Egypt, and out of the West Bank into Jordan, so be it. In that case, any further hostilities from those two nations are clearly acts of aggressive war, in which those nations are subject to attack. No more excuses. They are responsible for any attack that comes from their soil.

However, given their former actions, both Egypt and Jordan will brutally suppress their Paleo Muslim "brothers", if and when they create a nuisance, or solely to let them know who is boss.

Not the Israelis problem.
Posted by Anonymoose 2012-03-12 10:07||   2012-03-12 10:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Killing the guys who launch rockets won't help much. They are paid cash. If more die, the cash payments go up. That's about it.

Moose is right about denying the terrorists any safe place to operate, but the range of the rockets keeps increasing. Over time you would have to clear out all of Gaza, parts of Lebanon and Jordan, etc. Never happen.

I suggest collective punishment. every time a rocket is fired at Israel, the town from which it was launched is cleared out. They can go wherever they like, but they can't stay. Bulldoze it to the ground. After a couple of towns end this way it will become impossible for the terrorists to operate. The locals just won't allow it.
Posted by Iblis 2012-03-12 10:48||   2012-03-12 10:48|| Front Page Top

#7 Had integration been tried? There's still unsettled land, if they Isreal's take that and then offer Paleos "safe-haven" for any who give up the Jihad would that work? Put them up in housing, camps, training courses for everyday jobs. Few takers at first, but even the limited success of a couple hundred integrated into Isreali Society along with other Isreali Arabs might give a push toward cutting off the "aid Money" to Gaza and into the programs. Granted they'd have to be heavily monitored, precautions taken, rights "given", media access, ect.

Far shot, No chance of working, but it seems Isreal is unable to muster up the will to throw the Paleos out. I'm thinking more along the lines of this fails, excuse for concrete wall after driving them out. Hell, with the way Egypt is going they just might be in another war where the opportunity arises.
Posted by Charles 2012-03-12 11:14||   2012-03-12 11:14|| Front Page Top

#8 "The PRC are funded and supported directly by Hamas".

Actually the relationship between the PRC and Hamas is pretty complicated. Yes, there are some PRC members who are also in the armed wing of Hamas but most of the PRC are anti Hamas. Hamas has been hurt by the IDF strikes but not nearly as much as the PRC. Hamas is now in the situation of trying to get the PRC to stop firing. It is making Hamas look like wimps.
Posted by Lord Garth 2012-03-12 11:17||   2012-03-12 11:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Had integration been tried? There's still unsettled land, if they Isreal's take that and then offer Paleos "safe-haven" for any who give up the Jihad would that work?

Yes, it's been tried. No, it didn't work. What do you think Gaza was all about? Give us land for peace, the Paleos said. So the Israelis gave them land and yet there is no peace. The Israelis have bent over backwards for peace. Every time one group of Palestinians such as the PLA, PLO, Fatah, Hamass or whatever say they are going to stop committing acts of terror some "splinter" group or another emerges and continues to commit acts of terror. Each time the mainstream Palestinians claim to be unable to control the splinter groups. Bullshit. I remember well how Yasser Arafat would condemn the bombings and shootings and missile launches but then wring his hands and claim his inability to rein in the terrorist. Bloody bastard was up to his ears in it.

Anonymoose said it. Push 'em all outta there.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-03-12 11:40||   2012-03-12 11:40|| Front Page Top

#10 To me the whole of this conflict can be described by the almost cliched phrase; "If the Paleos unilaterally disarm there will be NO war; if Israel unilaterally disarms there will be NO Jews"

'moose is correct. Every town that fires a rocket gets moved lock, stock & barrel to the Sinai and then bulldozed. If the West Bank barbarians chime in, they get the same treatment.
Posted by AlanC 2012-03-12 13:41||   2012-03-12 13:41|| Front Page Top

#11 I always had the idea that Israel should open up an office across the street from the UN. and each time a rocket is fired into Israel - have a marksman fire a high-powered rifle at the U.N. building (in the general vicinity of the office of the General Secretary would be fine). Not at a specific target - but just the general vicinity.
just to see how long it takes the UN to respond when they are in the area....
Not advocating this - I just get wierd ideas sometimes....
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-03-12 13:58||   2012-03-12 13:58|| Front Page Top

#12 The question of integration being tried raises a good historical point. I recommend reading the book One Palestine, Complete by T Segev. It records the history of the area between 1917 and 1948. Written by a Jewish author in 1999, it records the initial view that integration was to be the centrepoint of the mandate. Basically the hardliners have won out on both sides. Now I am not sure there is a way back to that.
Posted by Northern Cousin 2012-03-12 14:25||   2012-03-12 14:25|| Front Page Top

#13 The question of integration? One out of five Israeli citizens -- note, not merely residents, but full citizens -- is an Arab, and most Israeli Arabs are Muslim. Israeli Arabs volunteer to serve in the IDF, elect their own representatives to the Knesset, and serve in Prime Minister Netanyahu's cabinet.

By contrast, the areas the Palestinians rule over are Judenrein...and well on the way to becoming Christianrein as well. The hardliners have most certainly won on the Palestinian side, where it is illegal to sell or rent property to a Jew. As I recall the sentence is death, though I may be wrong about that last. Quite unlike the situation in Israel.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-03-12 14:52||   2012-03-12 14:52|| Front Page Top

#14 Good points trailing wife. Thanks
Posted by Northern Cousin 2012-03-12 15:02||   2012-03-12 15:02|| Front Page Top

#15 Just been watching T.V and a Hamas official was being interviewed. Basically what he was saying was that the "radicals" were just using "toy" rockets and if Hamas was provoked any more they would have to get involved and use their serious rockets. If Israel is smart it will lure Hamas into firing one of their rockets. They can then reply by decapitating the Hamas leadership. It probably wouldn't hurt to let Fatah help in cleaning out the Gaza of Hamas, root and branch women and children.
Hamas will either have to flee to Hizbollah or to Egypt.
Who will then finance them (other than the EU, especially Norway)? If they head towards Lebanon they can make up with Iran again, otherwise if they go to Egypt, they can be financed by the Soddies.
The main point is that they will never get back to Gaza again.
Posted by tipper 2012-03-12 15:41||   2012-03-12 15:41|| Front Page Top

#16 That town ain't big enough for the two of them. Homestead Act for Israeli Jews on federally owned land in Nevada and Utah.

Let the Muzzies have it all and let it become worthless. With the war that is coming, it'll be that anyway.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-03-12 15:57||   2012-03-12 15:57|| Front Page Top

#17 No can do, NS. There are excellent beaches in Israel.



You'd leave this to the Gazooks?
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-03-12 16:23||   2012-03-12 16:23|| Front Page Top

#18 Actually, hat tip to Drudge for that picture. It's used to highlight a link to a CBS interview with former Mossad man Meir Dagan.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-03-12 16:35||   2012-03-12 16:35|| Front Page Top

#19 I was wondering if anyone here had an opinion on that interview.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-03-12 16:52||   2012-03-12 16:52|| Front Page Top

#20  Homestead Act for Israeli Jews on federally owned land in Nevada and Utah.

No.

We were offered Grand Island in the Niagara River once upon a time -- there's a stone marker there still -- and territory in Kenya, if I recall correctly, by the Brits. But our connection to that particular bit of land between Africa and Asia goes back to the Bronze Age.

Besides, Jews have been penned up on reservations before. The Italians called them ghettos, elsewhere they were referred to as Jewish quarters, and the lucky ones had walls and gates to keep the pogroms out and the Jews locked in. The Russians called theirs the Pale of Settlement, which is where "beyond the pale" comes from. The whole point of Israel's existence is that the Jews no longer need live at the permission of others, dependent on their forbearance.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-03-12 17:24||   2012-03-12 17:24|| Front Page Top

#21 Get a membership list and kill EVERY SINGLE member of Hamas and these other groups. Then tell them for EVERY SINGLE ROCKET that hits Israel, they will forever annex 1 sq mile of Gaza or the west bank.
Posted by Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division 2012-03-12 17:36||   2012-03-12 17:36|| Front Page Top

#22 I would say a pushback is in order. Rockets into Israel, then push the border back. That and get the coordinates of the sewage ponds, have artillery fire for effect........
Posted by Alaska Paul 2012-03-12 21:06||   2012-03-12 21:06|| Front Page Top

#23 Good points trailing wife. Thanks

You are very welcome, dear Northern Cousin. I don't deserve such accolades anything like as often as I would like.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-03-12 23:38||   2012-03-12 23:38|| Front Page Top

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