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21st century airships may join Navy fleet
A new generation of British-built airships may be bought by the Royal Navy to resupply ships, follwoing their use by the US Army on the front line in Afghanistan.
Posted by: tipper || 02/13/2012 07:56 || Comments || Link || [11139 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One word, "Hindenburg".
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 02/13/2012 10:07 Comments || Top||

#2  These aren't flammable.

It makes for a nice UAV and can stay up indefinitely with radio intercept and triangulation gear. Can also rout communications through for better reception and communication without gumming up a satellite. Think mobile cell tower that could expand coverage to half of Afghanistan.

Pretty neat piece of equipment.
Posted by: DarthVader || 02/13/2012 10:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Hindenburg: 1937.

This is 2012. I'd like to think that we, as a culture, have gone past 1937 as a measure of airships, and can think freely.

Nah, screw that. HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG HINDENBURG
Posted by: gromky || 02/13/2012 10:50 Comments || Top||

#4  There's a video that shows it was the envelope covering that was the cause of the Hindenburg disaster. A shellac containing aluminum powder and iron oxide. Travelling thermite bomb awaiting a fuse. Any geek (takes bow, "Thank you") can tell you that hydrogen burns with a pink, almost invisible flame, whereas thermite goes poof.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 02/13/2012 11:17 Comments || Top||

#5  A very cost effective persistent surveillance tool. Tethered units however, must be returned to their moorings in inclement weather which leaves an obvious collection gap as well as a window of opportunity for nefarious activity.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/13/2012 11:27 Comments || Top||

#6  The use of airships is pretty irresistible. It is such a multi-role platform that several different classes are hard to beat.

The high altitude giant ship provides a combination AWACS, high bandwidth communication and satellite transceiver, huge area real time surveillance along with highly accurate GPS target identification, national weather service, X-Band radar to detect missiles, etc., etc.

Then there are the heavy lift cargo airships, like the German CargoLifter CL 160 (160 metric tons (176 tons) payload). We would want one that could carry about 200 tons, or three Abrams tanks with ammo.

Medium airships are for cargo transport in high altitude mountainous terrain that is very hard on helicopters, and has no landing area for aircraft. It could also move significant but smaller cargoes in rear areas, in a slow, methodical manner.

Eventually one could be rigged as a gunship with a Metal Storm type weapon (Australian invented, but the Chinese are now developing as well).

Smaller airships, likely unmanned or tethered, have already proven themselves for short to medium range surveillance.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/13/2012 11:30 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm looking forward to the Great Zeppelin Wars of the 21st century.
Posted by: SteveS || 02/13/2012 12:03 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 02/13/2012 12:28 Comments || Top||

#9  We mock them at our own peril PB.

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Posted by: Besoeker || 02/13/2012 13:33 Comments || Top||

#10  I imagine a dirigible floating around silently at night with some snipers aboard (or simply spotters) could do a lot of damage. The dirigible doesn't have to be huge, and it doesn't have to use hydrogen.

A dirigible could also make a nice floating air craft carrier for unmanned vehicles. Potentially extending their range and eliminating a lot of the cross-Pakistan problems.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 02/13/2012 14:58 Comments || Top||

#11  Iff the USDOD-Navy hope to detect + destroy TLCMS + UW Strategic SLBMS just under, at, or atop the ocean surface or long-distance air strike, espec from origin/break-point to mid-flight stage(s), then NT Dirigibles is what they need.

Again, the Cold War Soviets recognized the potential, + considered same as "destabilizing", i.e. justifying expansion of the Arms Race + various MilStrike Options including Preemptive or Surrogate Strike - they demanded the US-NATO never dev such advanced-design Dirigibles = AirShips.

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/13/2012 19:24 Comments || Top||

#12  Sealing compounds are simply too heavy, a good Machine gun could easily put enough holes in It to leak down to the ground.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 02/13/2012 19:46 Comments || Top||

#13  Redneck Jim, care to tell me how a) you find a HMG with a range of 10,000 ft, roughly straight up and how to get it within range of the sensor platform before a strike is ordered in on it? Seconly, these are for rear echelon, not front line. They are not "combat zeppelins". I still have my doubts as to the efficacy, but those points are not amongst them. Right tool for the job - low threat environment only, save the expensive stuff for where its really needed.
Posted by: OldSpook || 02/13/2012 21:33 Comments || Top||

#14  US is working on an unmanned airship that is solar powered & can stay at 60,000 feet - indefinitely. First test flight crashed in PA last summer.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/13/2012 22:51 Comments || Top||

#15  These things are not combat survivable. However, 99% of the time we are not in combat. So then they are a huge advantage. And even in combat they soak up a bunch of attacks that otherwise might affect a real combat platform.

Are these things a wartime winner, no.

Are these things a deterrent, oh yes.
Posted by: rammer || 02/13/2012 23:39 Comments || Top||


Prince Harry's Apache helicopter vs. Prince William's Sea King
Posted by: ryuge || 02/13/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11136 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is the King of England.
Posted by: newc || 02/13/2012 0:16 Comments || Top||

#2  At least they perform a real job for a number of years, which is more than you can say for most politicians on the left.
Posted by: phil_b || 02/13/2012 4:25 Comments || Top||

#3  I think of this conditioning as an effort to rebuild the stature of British might across the world.

Then I remember George and the Texas Air Force.
Posted by: Skidmark || 02/13/2012 6:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Beats opening supermarkets. More seriously, there was a discussion ref the Falklands War, the last one, not the next one. The Argie generals, bashing about in their snappy uniforms and spit-shined stomping boots, with their mistresses and servants, figured two women, Thatcher and Elizabeth, were no match for such studs as they.
They were wrong, but the price was high for the rest of the folks. Them, too, come to think of it, but that was only fair.
Maybe having a couple of combat-experienced guys in highly visible and influential places in UK government might deter the next clowns trying to look macho by starting a war.
Can't hurt.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 02/13/2012 8:16 Comments || Top||

#5  That's like comparing a Ferrari to a delivery truck.
Posted by: mojo || 02/13/2012 10:44 Comments || Top||



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