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New poll favors French far-right politician over Sarkozy
An opinion poll in France has found that right-wing politician Marine Le Pen could defeat President Nicholas Sarkozy in upcoming elections, Le Parisien reported Saturday.

The poll results, published in the Sunday edition of the French daily, showed the 42-year-old leader of the National Front party would receive 23 percent of the vote in the first of the two rounds of presidential elections due to occur in France next year.

Center-right Sarkozy would only receive 21 percent of the vote, according to the poll.

"This poll makes me believe that Nicolas Sarkozy will lose this presidential election," Le Pen said at a news conference in northern France.

Part of Le Pen's platform so far has included comparing Muslims in France to an occupying force. Meanwhile, Sarkozy has initiated a national debate on the role of Islam in France, a move that some feel is designed to neutralize Le Pen.

No margin of error was published for the poll, conducted between February 28 and March 3 with 1,618 people aged 18 and up.

France's next presidential elections are set for May 2012.
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Posted by: tipper || 04/05/2011 03:18 || Comments || Link || [11153 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "France is a dictatorship, punctuated with anarchy."
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/05/2011 10:52 Comments || Top||

#2  This is not good news for the US. The "Far Right" in France is closer to the Vichy French than anything else.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 04/05/2011 11:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Frozen Al, whaddaya mean? They have a soft spot for Germans? Or what?
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/05/2011 14:28 Comments || Top||

#4  They are more Fascist and statist than market oriented conservative. They are also strongly anti-American.

Papa Le Pen was fully capable of entering into tactical alliances with the Islamists.
Posted by: Frozen Al || 04/05/2011 15:46 Comments || Top||

#5  "National debate on the role of Islam in France" > see DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > FRENCH SECULARISM DEBATE [inter-Govt] ON BANNING ALL RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS | FRANCE'S GOVERNING PARTY [UMP = Sarkozy] DEBATE [strengthening] SECULARISM.

OTOH its not Islam's fault that many French Churches are mostly empty of Patrons, or that Muslims have sex = higher birth rate while working hard to protect their Values + Traditions???

Formally andor informally.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 04/05/2011 23:38 Comments || Top||


The west's inexorable and irresistable influence on islam
According to a familiar stereotype, Europeans have lost the long term vision that would make them want to have large families, and religion no longer provides such an incentive: the closer a woman lives to Rome, the fewer children she has.

In just the last thirty years or so, Middle Eastern countries that used to teem with children and adolescents have gone through a startling demographic transformation. Since the mid-1970s, Algeria's fertility rate has collapsed from over 7 to 1.75, Tunisia's from 6 to 2.03, Morocco's from 6.5 to 2.21, Libya's from 7.5 to 2.96. Today, Algeria's rate is roughly equivalent to that of Denmark or Norway; Tunisia's is comparable to France. Counter-intuitively, that remark about "the closer to Rome" also holds good on the southern, Muslim, side of the Mediterranean.

Just what is happening here? Everything depends on the changing attitudes and expectation of the women in these once highly-traditional societies.
Demography is destiny. The first commandment in the Bible:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 04/05/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11137 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Muslims living in Europe still breeding like crazy. I guess it's all a matter of who picks the tab.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 04/05/2011 2:50 Comments || Top||

#2  ...I believe that's filed under - the more you subsidize the more you get of something.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/05/2011 9:05 Comments || Top||

#3  It is well established in demographics that when a nation reaches a particular economic plateau unique to that nation, that it suddenly undergoes a precipitous drop in its reproductive rate, usually from 6-8 children per family to about 2.1-2.3.

This happened most recently in Mexico, where they had a typical drop. But it was noted that Mexicans living in the US did not have an equivalent drop.

It was suggested that this was because, while Mexicans in Mexico had reached Mexico's economic plateau, those living in the US have not reached the US economic plateau.

This raises the theory that while Muslims in a host country might keep their own nations birthrates until they have reached their new nation's plateau; those in their home country might reach for virtual parity with their nations popular destination country.

That is, compare countries and their birthrates:

France's (1.96) Muslims are mostly of Algerian (1.75) (down from 7 in 1970) and Moroccan (2.21) (down from 6 in 1970) origin.

In Germany (1.41) most Muslims come from Turkey (2.15) (5.6 in 1970).

In the UK (1.91) from Pakistan (3.17) (down from 7 in 1970).

And in Spain (1.47) from Morocco (2.21) (down from 6 in 1970).
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/05/2011 10:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Much of the decline in the fertility rate in the mideast arab countries is due to the urban housing shortage. Young men can't afford to get an apartment so they don't get married.

Posted by: Lord Garth || 04/05/2011 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  I'll believe it when I see resort hotels and discotheques full of party people alongside empty mosques all along the southern Mediterranean coast from Gibralter to Tel Aviv
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 04/05/2011 12:06 Comments || Top||

#6  > .I believe that's filed under - the more you subsidize the more you get of something

You forgot the most important bit, subsidy always enhances production at the cost of quality.

Welfare state kids are low quality (from an employment point of view, perfect if you're a marxist looking for a client state)
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 04/05/2011 12:08 Comments || Top||

#7  This opinion piece is a bit to much, "Don't worry be happy" about the Islamic world. Did not the leaders of Germany and France(?) recently say that multiculturalism had failed? That their Islamic immigrants were not joining with the European culture in any meaningful way?
So what if their birthrates are declining? Mark Steyn argues that demographics is a game of last man standing. Anyway, what could happen is that all of Europe becomes like the Balkans with religious and nationality and ethnic enclaves striving for power and influence that occasionally breaks out in some type of violence up to actual war. See Israel and Gaza.
Rifle 308
Posted by: rifle308 || 04/05/2011 13:22 Comments || Top||



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