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Amazon-UK: Baseball Bat Sales Up 5000%. Wonder Why?

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Posted by: Thumper and Tenille2812 || 08/12/2011 10:54 || Comments || Link || [11137 views] Top|| File under:

#1  16.
4 days in the top 100

Rucanor Aluminium Baseball Bat, Silver - 60 cm
by Rucanor
RRP: £21.00
Price: £17.15
You Save: £3.85 (18%)

Number sixteen on the list for best sellers in Sports & Leisure, and moving up -- has been in the top 100 for four days now. Aluminum bats don't splinter like wooden cricket bats...
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/12/2011 15:15 Comments || Top||

#2  See...who needs guns :)
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 15:52 Comments || Top||

#3  The weak, the old, women. I.e. the vulnerable. Why would you deny them the human right to defend themselves on an equal footing?
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165 || 08/12/2011 16:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Shakey, a .38 special is a reasonable equalizer, in a way that a baseball bat cannot be, for a five foot, one inch, 100 pound woman suddenly up against a malignant six foot, three inch, 240 pound rapist.

Perhaps one of the women you know in your personal life can explain this further.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/12/2011 17:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Theodore Dalrymple in 2003: practically no baseball is played in Britain, but plenty of bats are sold as weapons and lie detectors I really doubt these recent heavy sales are to average Britishers stocking up on defensive weapons, more likely prospective rioters are building up their arsenals while they can.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/12/2011 17:37 Comments || Top||

#6  Indeed. The average Brit should go with the fire pike and a buckler, cricket batting gear.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 17:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Lie detectors?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/12/2011 18:13 Comments || Top||

#8  I think if I were tied to a chair and Jason Giambi was tooling a aluminum bat about, I would consider telling him exactly what he wanted to know.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 19:08 Comments || Top||

#9  "Perhaps one of the women you know in your personal life can explain this further."

Hmmmm...so are you saying all women should be packing heat? Is that REALLY what you want? I know I don't and I know my wife wouldn't..

That being said, I don't live in US. Must really suck to live down there, having to worry about being raped or murdered 24 hours a day...some people would classify that as a tad on the paranoid side.
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 19:57 Comments || Top||

#10  Shakey, you obviously suffer from lastworditis. You also obviously have no clue of what life is like down here in America or what it's like to live your life as a citizen and not serf/peon.

I've carried a weapon for more than 5 years. I've never felt any need to draw it or present it to a danger or threat. It's a tool, much the same as the first aid and emergency kit in my vehicles. It is simply there in case it is needed, should the day ever come. My sister lived in London for 2 years going to school and said she'd NEVER felt as safe there as she did here in the US. The vast majority of violent crime in the US is limited to gang members and their flunkies killing each other and only rarely does it involve others. Property crime is more likely here but crime of all stripes has been dropping here for a while as more and more states move to a must issue vs may issue permits.

Another way to look at it is this. My state government trusts me to carry a weapon, because it's helpful for my neighbors and because I am no danger to other law abiding citizens. Armed citizens in this country are more law abiding than the police are. Sad but significant FACT.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 08/12/2011 20:58 Comments || Top||

#11  "The vast majority of violent crime in the US is limited to gang members and their flunkies killing each other and only rarely does it involve others. "

Then why do you need to carry a gun? You kind of just proved my point...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 21:04 Comments || Top||

#12  if you were the exception to the vast majority, I'd say: "see? Proved MY point."
Posted by: Frank G || 08/12/2011 21:25 Comments || Top||

#13  It's a tool, much the same as the first aid and emergency kit in my vehicles. It is simply there in case it is needed, should the day ever come.

Perhaps if you'd read the post fully, you would have found the answer. I try to be a responsible citizen, by being prepared for everything that I can within reason. I travel a great deal, I work for a company that many liberals have mouth-frothing hatred for, and I would rather be armed than unarmed, despite spending time taking Akido and studying martial arts, I know that the way of the gun beats the way of the open hand.
Posted by: Silentbrick - Halliburton Lost Drill Bit Division || 08/12/2011 21:42 Comments || Top||

#14  it's a tool... Shakey that is. end of discussion.
Posted by: abu do you love || 08/12/2011 21:48 Comments || Top||

#15  Shakey: I do not advocate that most women should pack heat. The point (my dear sir, do you ever see one?) was that a pistol is an equalizer for the weak versus the strong, and a better equalizer than a Louisville slugger.

The weak cannot always depend on the government to defend them.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/12/2011 22:53 Comments || Top||

#16  That being said, I don't live in US.

That's patently obvious.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/12/2011 23:13 Comments || Top||

#17  Oh now, that is a classic ploy.

People should not be required to carry a firearm. What should be considered is the choice. I trust you to make the right decision based upon what you feel is the right decision, all I ask is that in return. If I feel the need to carry a gerber and a window punch just in case I come across a neighbor off the road in trouble, I should not be prosecuted (because I will do it anyways and I am not a criminal I am the good samaritan and I am a rescuer; I know minutes count) because some dude in the big city ran that as a sales pitch and has to follow through for their own career of making millions, dude, that is bullshit.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 23:40 Comments || Top||

#18  Not to be particular, but I am a follower of the 10 yard, uhem meter if that helps (but the particular matters only to response time), theory, on self awareness. That is not paranoia, that is not being in la la land as so many of my friends are. Its being able to spot trouble, even if its a sponge ball at the swimming pool being thrown around while my child learns to swim and like the water. It has paid off already, not with child water polo or even pet in the kids food, but stuff like yellow jackets at the least.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 23:55 Comments || Top||

#19  Now expand that radius.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 23:57 Comments || Top||


UK Loot-Fest: Millionaire's Daughter Arrested With Electronics

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Posted by: Thumper and Tenille2812 || 08/12/2011 09:33 || Comments || Link || [11132 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lack of morality and/or impulse control knows no economic boundaries.
Posted by: tipover || 08/12/2011 11:48 Comments || Top||

#2  From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs...

The stores had the "abilities", and the yoots had the "needs". Communism in action. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
Posted by: Spot || 08/12/2011 12:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Theory is always more attractive than reality. Under Communism, steal a mouthful of corn and go to a forced labor camp for three years. Odds of survival - not so good.

May the black baton of reality enlighten the sides of these stupid skulls.
Posted by: Eohippus Phater7165 || 08/12/2011 15:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Part of a whole generation of self-entitlement. I do like the idea of shaming these people after the fact by posting their faces on the Web...good luck in the future, you spoiled knit-wit...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 16:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Just a few years ago the major elite British news websites were teaching their readers about how to behave at orgies and how not to report sex in the bushes. And they wonder why everyone is a barbarian? What a joke....it's simply a collapse of civilization.
Posted by: Jeque Hupairong2828 || 08/12/2011 21:14 Comments || Top||


Police Raid Houses Across London to Make Riot Arrests
[An Nahar] Police began raiding houses across London on Thursday to make arrests over the riots that rocked the British capital, with more than 100 warrants issued already, a senior Scotland Yard officer said.

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh announced the raids after a heavy police presence on the streets of London and other cities prevented a fifth night of the unrest.

"In the early hours of this morning we started knocking on doors to arrest people," Kavanagh said.

"We have got more than 100 warrants which we will be working our way through over the coming hours and days.

"With so many officers on duty we want to use their time by going out there and arresting burglars, robbers and thieves -- those people who cause concern and crime in our communities."

So far the Metropolitan Police has tossed in the clink 888 people in connection with violence, disorder and looting since Saturday, and 371 people have been charged.

There have been more than 300 arrests in other English cities.

Around 16,000 coppers have been deployed in London for the past two nights in response to the riots, in which four people have died across the country and dozens of shops and homes have been burned down.

The riots have also sparked a debate about the government's plans to cut police budgets as part of austerity measures to reduce Britannia's record deficit.


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Posted by: Fred || 08/12/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11135 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Take those warrants, make a forced entry and stomp everything inside these peoples houses.
Posted by: Gleregum tse Tung1512 || 08/12/2011 6:28 Comments || Top||

#2  What the hell does this have to do with gun control...geezus!!
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 6:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey Moron, they have no guns, that's why this is happening.
A few determined People with Guns would stop this shit in it's tracks.

THAT'S WHY THE LACK OF GUNS IS IMPORTAINT.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/12/2011 8:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Easy, Shakey: ordinary citizens with firearms can defend themselves, their families and their homes from yobs.

What, you were expecting the police to do that?
Posted by: Steve White || 08/12/2011 8:56 Comments || Top||

#5  ordinary citizens with firearms can defend themselves, their families and their homes from yobs police / pols. FIFY

And this is what Tremblin' Tom is really afraid of.
Posted by: AlanC || 08/12/2011 9:06 Comments || Top||

#6  "Hey Moron, they have no guns, that's why this is happening.
A few determined People with Guns would stop this shit in it's tracks."

Tell me something...did guns stop the Rodney King riots? Did they stop the Watts riots? NO. I'm as hardline as anyone when it comes to cracking down on those a-holes, but the London Police do have guns! How the hell did this whole thing start in the first place..with GUNS...IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GUN CONTROL...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 9:46 Comments || Top||

#7  It has everything to do with disarming the public and denying them the right of self-defense, moron. When a burglar in your house has the government-given right to your goods without fear of harm, you've created a mentality that allows looting. A Brit that defends himself in his home has the expectation of prosecution
Posted by: Frank G || 08/12/2011 10:12 Comments || Top||

#8  I saw the cops standing around with riot shield and no battons. No guns, No mace, no tasers. Poorly trained and running from the protesters.
Posted by: newc || 08/12/2011 10:16 Comments || Top||

#9  What 'government-given right' are you talking about? And, please refrain from the term 'moron' with someone that doesn't share your opinion...you start to sound like some 80 year old fart who's life has passed them by...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 10:18 Comments || Top||

#10  "I saw the cops standing around with riot shield and no battons. No guns, No mace, no tasers. Poorly trained and running from the protesters."

Ok. I will only speak for what I know, so I won't speak of Britain but Canada. Canada has gun control. But 'gun control' does not mean 'gun prohibition'. For instance, Canadian police (e.g. RCMP, and one of my brothers is an RCMP officer in Alberta) are as well armed as any American cop, when needed. But, generally, when a riot starts, they resort to billyclubs first, before bullets. This isn't bloody Iran, for Christ's sake...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 10:24 Comments || Top||

#11  Keep it civil Shakey. You're the newcomer here.

Police have guns, except London police who don't and need special permission to carry them.

And of course you know the old saying, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

It's another way of noting that in a crisis, police won't be there to protect you, they'll be by afterwards to write a report and (perhaps) track down the evil-doers.

I'm a law-abiding person. I detest violence. If some yob comes after me, my family or my home, I sure hope the police are nearby and can intervene. Because if they don't, I'm going to plug the social miscreant.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/12/2011 10:26 Comments || Top||

#12  What 'government-given right' are you talking about?

Frank is referring to the socialist idea that a looter, as an oppressed class ally of the proletariat, has more rights than you, a class enemy, have.

See the Gulag Archipelago and Solzhenitsyn for details.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/12/2011 10:29 Comments || Top||

#13  "Keep it civil Shakey. You're the newcomer here."

I have. Unfortunately, if you have a different opinion you are called a moron and told to get lost. I guess the 'Civil' part of the 'Civil, well-reasoned discourse' is just to fill-in some empty space on the banner of this site...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 10:38 Comments || Top||

#14  The UK was once one of the most law-abiding countries on earth. The UK riots have nothing to do with the population not being armed, and are mostly to do with (1) societal rot and (2) UK police & prosecutors abandoning their traditional roles and carrying out the UK leftist agenda.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/12/2011 10:39 Comments || Top||

#15  you are called a moron and told to get lost. You ARE a moron. Get lost.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/12/2011 10:40 Comments || Top||

#16  By the way, I agree with: "I'm a law-abiding person. I detest violence. If some yob comes after me, my family or my home, I sure hope the police are nearby and can intervene. Because if they don't, I'm going to plug the social miscreant.". I would to. But the point of this whole blowup is that the rioting in Britain would have happened whether there was gun-control or not. Hell, riots and looting have happened in the States (and Canada) many times over the last 50 years, yet I don't see anyone linking gun-control to all these riots...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 10:43 Comments || Top||

#17  "you are called a moron and told to get lost. You ARE a moron. Get lost."

Case in point, Steve. Will you ask him/her to be civil??
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 10:44 Comments || Top||

#18  "The UK was once one of the most law-abiding countries on earth. The UK riots have nothing to do with the population not being armed, and are mostly to do with (1) societal rot and (2) UK police & prosecutors abandoning their traditional roles and carrying out the UK leftist agenda."

I agree!
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 10:46 Comments || Top||

#19  Shakey, glad we agree, there are multiple causes for bad people to do bad stuff. However, there is but one cause for the bad stuff to be happening to YOUR stuff, and it is that you are not popping caps in the asses of the bad people. And why not? Societal rot? No, good people grabbed bats and sticks to try to defend their houses and property. It is that they were insufficiently armed to get caps in all the asses that presented themselves.

The key point here is to distinguish the reasons the rioting started, and the reason it continued beyond an hour. These are different things and have different reasons.

The good people of England have been disarmed and abused by their government to the point that they cannot effectively stop bad people from damaging their homes and property. This must end.

I do not care about why people start riots, they give up all the protections of the law at that point, and whatever their grievance may be I do not care to acknowledge it or assuage it. This is because since its remedy is riot, it is fundamentally an illegitimate grievance in a representative society.

I only care that the riot stops swiftly. Thus to me, disarming the populace is exactly the most important policy to change. And this change should be brought about swiftly through the representative process.
Posted by: rammer || 08/12/2011 11:49 Comments || Top||

#20  Tell me something...did guns stop the Rodney King riots?

No. In fact, the LAPD was pretty much hands-off in early stages of the riot, much like Metropolitan. And as I recall, the 1969 Montreal riots were under a similar situation (striking cops, no one had weapons). So much for a 'civilised' country.

But in LA, those that were armed, or were able to hire armed security, prevented their homes and businesses from being looted and burned. I'd say that's a game changer.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/12/2011 11:55 Comments || Top||

#21  ..the Korean grocers stop their shops from being burned and looted in the area by open displays of their weapons. The race card couldn't be played. At the time there were Koreans still living who actually were REAL slaves of Japanese when Japan ruled their nation.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/12/2011 12:12 Comments || Top||

#22  "And as I recall, the 1969 Montreal riots were under a similar situation (striking cops, no one had weapons). So much for a 'civilised' country."

My argument, I still have not read a true rebuttal to it, is that whether England practises gun-control, or whether you could buy a gun off a rack beside the chocolate bars at a corner store, this would not have prevented the riot. Some of the looting, yes. (As would sending in the Army and setting a curfew)..But not the riot itself.
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 12:30 Comments || Top||

#23  To everyone commenting: calm down.

To Shakey: a few guns would not stop the riots. A few more guns might. The Turks and Kurds who banded together in that one neighborhood in London certainly stopped both the looting and the riots in THEIR streets. Let them have some guns and I'm betting the rioters would have suddenly had a come-to-Jesus moment.

What stops the riots from occurring in the first place is a return of our society to concepts of personal responsibility that have been systemically removed these past few decades. Some folks need the idea introduced at the head of a load of buckshot. Unfortunate but it happens.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/12/2011 12:50 Comments || Top||

#24  Steve - I admire you and the other mods - y'all are so patient....
Posted by: Barbara || 08/12/2011 14:47 Comments || Top||

#25  My argument, I still have not read a true rebuttal to it...this would not have prevented the riot.

Straw argument with a ludicrous base. It's akin to saying that if every teen was issued birth control, it would prevent the wave of pregnancies.

No one in the comment thread has said an armed citizenry would have prevented the riot. However, IMNSHO based on personal experience in the LA riots, it certainly would have lessened its effects.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/12/2011 14:48 Comments || Top||

#26 
Tell me something...did guns stop the Rodney King riots?


Contained them.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 08/12/2011 15:42 Comments || Top||

#27  Local Kansas City legend was when the '68 riots broke out and the area was in chaos, citizens were grabing their firearms and siezing bridges to control access to their neighborhoods.

It could have had the effect of limiting the scope of the riot and lawlessness and retribution and, within 48 hours, the riots were under control, though protest and spot fires accured for another 5 days or so.

Those sikhs had pointy things brandished. I thought they were against the law. Eagerly looking forward to Britains handling of this...by banning the broadcast of softball, little leage and college level US Baseball broadcasts followed by the game itself, likely cricket to follow, for their glorification of a weapon of war and violence.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 16:00 Comments || Top||

#28  whether England practises gun-control, or whether you could buy a gun off a rack beside the chocolate bars at a corner store

As far as I am aware, and admittedly I've never tried to buy a gun, American gun laws do not permit buying guns off racks at the corner store. There is a three day waiting period to check one's name against lists of felons and the insane on state and federal lists, so that even buying a bullet propellor of some sort at WalMart will not be consummated on a whim.

The issue in Britain is that disproportionate self-defense (he had a knife, so I used a chainsaw) is illegal, and those defending hearth and home have been jailed in recent years for harming an invader, even only using a poker or a kitchen knife. So a lot of the damage of people and property happened because people were afraid to do anything when attacked.... Including the police, observed repeatedly during the first few days backing away from a charging mob. But the determination to band together in self defense is spreading among our cousins on the other side of the pond, which should make politics quite interesting next time round.

Guns are useful for fighting off the hooligans at a distance, with less chance of them getting their own licks in, and as an equalizer for a small number against a rampaging mob.

As Heinlein wrote, "An armed populace is a polite populace.". Or something like that. The riots would not have gone on as they did had the "shoppers" been met with buckshot at the first high street shops they called on, with the certainty of more of the same wherever they went.

Think how you might have rephrased your original question so it did not contain an implied insult to those who don't agree with you. This exercise will help you understand why those who know more on the subject responded impatiently.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/12/2011 16:03 Comments || Top||

#29  T-W, I agree with everything you say except for the Heinlein quote. To me, it depends on the country. In the US it may work (though it is worthy of debate) because there is a sense of civility already engrained in the culture. But would it work in a country like Somalia, or Haiti, or Bosnia?...proof may be in the pudding.
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 16:18 Comments || Top||

#30  P2K, that was good video. Here are some more scenes of citizens who know how to stop looting.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/12/2011 16:47 Comments || Top||

#31  But would it work in a country like Somalia, or Haiti, or Bosnia?

Pish. Heinlein's point is that people are nicer to you - in the sense of being less likely to rob, rape or kill you - if you are armed. And yeah, it applies to those places too.
Posted by: SteveS || 08/12/2011 17:29 Comments || Top||

#32  An unfortunate example of Heinlein's theorem was during a rash of road rage and gang-banger shooting incidents in SoCal. Drivers were much less inclined to flip-off, cut off or abuse other drivers.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/12/2011 18:06 Comments || Top||

#33  Theodore Dalrymple on the riots: The ferocious criminality exhibited by an uncomfortably large section of the English population during the current riots has not surprised me in the least. I have been writing about it, in its slightly less acute manifestations, for the past 20 years. To have spotted it required no great perspicacity on my part; rather, it took a peculiar cowardly blindness, one regularly displayed by the British intelligentsia and political class, not to see it and not to realize its significance...long experience of impunity has taught the rioters that they have nothing to fear from the law, which in England has become almost comically lax—except, that is, for the victims of crime. For the rioters, crime has become the default setting of their behavior; the surprising thing about the riots is not that they have occurred, but that they did not occur sooner and did not become chronic. Guns are almost irrelevant to that situation.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 08/12/2011 18:09 Comments || Top||

#34  TW, depending on local laws, one can go into WalMart and buy a shotgun 'off the rack' (actually, out of a locked case) after about 20 minutes of paperwork and background check, assuming the computers are all working right. Then they carry it out to your car before handing it to you (my understanding is that mainly they don't want suicides in the store.)
Posted by: Lumpy Jereper5908 || 08/12/2011 18:16 Comments || Top||

#35  Somalia, where the armed gangs get the food, and the disarmed population must either join the gang/warlord or meek out a life?

But Samuel Colt made them equal. When it gets in their head, a person will figure out a way to kill somebody, preferably with a tool. This martial imbalance leans heavy in favor of the 16-25 year old male. There are old ladies out here whose range with a rifle is only limited by their eyesight. If the simple act of having a firearm made people crazy, I'd be dodging sniper fire like Hillary! all the time. But I don't. The threat to my family comes down to me to address, and it is the 19-24 male doped on meth who does not care much for others sober in a good mood, and his buddy, also amped on drugs because it was not his idea but ya travel in pairs when raiding a house. My house is scouted, they are at the door. Or even better, its the afternoon and I'm not home but the rest of the family is. See, I can control my house, I cannot control police response times.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 18:23 Comments || Top||

#36  Hah, LJ5908, never thought of that, too much on the job learning. I did visit the big town today, went to the grocery store, guy was open carry. Looked like a plain clothes LEO to me, but it was interesting to watch the other shoppers.

Any idea what the legal FPS is for airguns in Britain?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 18:29 Comments || Top||

#37  Thank you, Lumpy Jereper5908. The seashore of my ignorance is now one pebble smaller. :-).

Shakey Steve, you see what others more knowledgeable than I have to say about Heinlein. I wasn't honestly thinking beyond the West. I know that the SS didn't arrest my grandfather back in the day, because his hunting dog was growling and his hunting rifle leaned against the wall -- and by the time they came back he and my grandmother had fled to Holland. Mama joined them later, very excited that she was being trusted to ride the train by herself.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/12/2011 19:48 Comments || Top||


Riots were about theft, not politics: David Cameron
[Dawn] The riots which tore through London and other major English cities for four days had nothing to do with politics or protest but were motivated by theft, British Prime Minister David Cameron
... has stated that he is certainly a big Thatcher fan, but I don't know whether that makes me a Thatcherite, which means he's not. Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led. He has been described as certainly not a Pitt, Elder or Younger, but he does wear a nice suit so maybe he's Beau Brummel ...
said Thursday.

The rioting was "not about politics or protest, it is about theft", Cameron told parliament after politicians were recalled from their summer recess to debate the worst looting and violence for decades.

Cameron said he would "not allow a climate of fear to exist on our streets".

He admitted there were "far too few" coppers deployed as the riots reached a peak on Monday night and the tactics they had used had failed to work.

The prime minister, who returned early from holiday in Italia to deal with the riots, announced a package of measures to help homeowners and businesses affected by the riots.

Massively increased police numbers and heavy rain in many parts of the country led to a quiet night overnight Wednesday, leaving Britannia to start to count the cost of the violence.

Four people have died in the riots, including three Asian men mowed down by a car in Birmingham in central England.
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Posted by: Fred || 08/12/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11132 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pat Condell thinks the two are connected. I tend to agree.

London is a Riot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pAC0YSmK0g&feature=player_embedded
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  ^ NSFW
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/12/2011 0:32 Comments || Top||

#3  It's all the Juice fault
Guardian report on London riots omits the race or ethnicity of rioters – but, still mentions Jews
Posted by: tipper || 08/12/2011 3:56 Comments || Top||

#4  He admitted there were "far too few" coppers deployed as the riots reached a peak on Monday night and the tactics they had used had failed to work.

When you put the police behind desks monitoring CCTV feeds and put barely-trained civilians on the street as 'community service officials', I'd say there's a slight chance of failure.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/12/2011 11:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Most of the rioters were black with some whites joining in on the looting from what i watched here in London!

I read there is flash mobs attacking whites in the US.Two different countries same troublemakers!
Posted by: Paul D || 08/12/2011 15:00 Comments || Top||


'Iran ready to send peacekeepers to UK'
[Iran Press TV] Commander of Iran's Basij Force says it is ready to deploy peacekeeper forces in London as the unrest in the British capital drags on despite tightened security measures.

"The Ashura brigades of Basij forces are ready to be deployed to London as peacekeeping forces," Brigadier General Mohammad-Reza Naqdi said on Thursday, Fars news agency reported.

Naqdi criticized the British authorities for their harsh crackdown of protesters and describing them as rioters and hooligans.

"Unfortunately the crimes and violence of the autocratic British kingdom continues against the country's deprived [population] and not only the advice of well-wishers has no effect on the conduct of the regime's repressive police force but we witness the deprived people of this country are being called a bunch of thieves and looters," he regretted.

It is not clear why they cannot identify and track down the thieves while they have more than 4.6 million security cameras installed in the country and there are only one million people living in London, the Iranian commander questioned.

Naqdi expressed disappointment with the UN Security Council as invariably supporting oppressors.

"If the UN General Assembly approves, the Basij Organization is ready to send a number of Ashura and al-Zahra brigades to Liverpool and Birmingham as peacekeepers to monitor observation of human rights
...which often include carefully measured allowances of freedom at the convenience of the state...
laws and deter use of force," he added.

Naqdi referred to UK Prince Williams' lavish wedding and the high cost of its live coverage and described the recent uprisings in Britannia as the result of "big mistakes" by British officials and warned them of even more severe consequences.

"This is the beginning if the road and the UK regime has to pay the price for the massacres in Africa, wars and bloodshed in the Indian peninsula, crimes in China, the fall of the Ottoman Empire and bloody conflicts among Mohammedans and followers of other faiths," the brigadier noted.

He said the uprising in Britannia even if oppressed at this stage is far deeper than a political unrest or factional conflict to be resolved easily.

"This wound will come to a head elsewhere...The people of Britannia have awakened and will definitely take their rights back," he stated.

Naqdi condemned the use of violence against protesters in Britannia and deplored the killing of Mark Duggan, 26, who sustained injuries in a shooting spree by armed officers in Ferry Lane in Tottenham last Thursday.

The father of four was killed after police stopped the minicab he was in to carry out an arrest as part of a pre-planned operation. Meanwhile,
...back at the chili cook-off, Chuck and Manuel's rivalry was entering a new and more dangerous phase...
ballistic tests have indicated that Duggan did not fire at officers before he was killed.

Naqdi recalled remarks by Fearless Leader of the Islamic Revolution
...Iran's doddering head theocrat...
Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei
...the successor to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and the actual dictator of Iran...
, who had earlier warned of similar revolutions in Europe as those in North Africa and the Middle East.

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Posted by: Fred || 08/12/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11139 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  The UK homosexual community are keeping peace just fine, so you're surplus to their requirement Iran. But thanks.
Posted by: Kojack || 08/12/2011 1:54 Comments || Top||

#2  SHIA PEACE IN THE UK ...

versus

* WAFF > IRAN OFFICIAL'S THREAT TO AZERBAIJAN.

* SAME > PKK/PJAK KURDS DEFEATED IN IRAN, PJAK WITHDRAWING FROM IRAN.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/12/2011 2:03 Comments || Top||

#3  "Unfortunately the crimes and violence of the autocratic British kingdom continues against the country's deprived [population] and not only the advice of well-wishers has no effect on the conduct of the regime's repressive police force but we witness the deprived people of this country are being called a bunch of thieves and looters," he regretted...In Psychology, I believe the phrase is 'psychological projection'...
Posted by: Shakey Steve || 08/12/2011 6:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Gawd, what crap.(Pevious Post)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/12/2011 8:58 Comments || Top||

#5  What is the feasibility of transport Logistics in Britain to airlift 100,000 Yobs to the Iranian border and just unload them off the truck or just run them ashore in Mike Boats at about 100 at a time. All the liquor and drugs they want before hand, of course.

Multiple points of entry at a predetermined simultaneous time, of course. And let the friendly Iranian people who are noted for their Moslem values and hospitality do the rest.

No seriously. Islam would have an opportunity to save these people and admit them to the flock of Believers. Might take a while, unfortunately. But Allah is Merciful, yea, He is beneficent.
Posted by: de Medici || 08/12/2011 9:08 Comments || Top||

#6  Give them those horned helmets (maybe with optional beer-hat hangers), tell them they're "going viking"?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/12/2011 9:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Let Iran send several hundred Basij forces to GB. Then make sure every Brit has a baseball bat or an axehandle - especially the "yoot". We could sell tickets and make a fortune.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/12/2011 13:26 Comments || Top||

#8  British soccer hooligans vs the Basij? Yeah, I'd pay money to see that. 200 quatloos on the Brits.
Posted by: SteveS || 08/12/2011 20:48 Comments || Top||



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