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Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thanks for posting these lovely examples of historical photography, Fred.
They help correct the prevalent misconception among young people that sex appeal, if not sex itself, was invented in the 1960s.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/13/2008 5:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Silly Atomic Conspiracy! Everybody knows sex was invented in the 1980s. Before that babies were left by the fairies under cabbage leaves in the garden.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 5:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Huh! babies left by fairies under cabbage leaves. You should be ashamed, TW. Everybody knows babies are brought by storks.
Posted by: Spot || 08/13/2008 7:54 Comments || Top||

#4  That explains the big bird that showed up at our house about 10 years after I was born with an RMA...
Posted by: Grenter, Protector of the Geats || 08/13/2008 8:22 Comments || Top||

#5  My mom always told us we were found under a cabbage leaf. No storks in Alabama.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/13/2008 9:20 Comments || Top||

#6  Blue light special muhself.
Posted by: .5MT || 08/13/2008 11:08 Comments || Top||

#7  Another legs and shoes shot. Ho hum.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 08/13/2008 11:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Shoe Fetish?

I don't know where I came from. Dad was at Okinawa getting his butt shot at while Mom was in Weatherford keeping the home fires burning and living with the in-laws.

Rumor has it that Grannie was in the chicken coop down on Russell Street and found me in the dried corn.

I think that is why I always had a soft spot for grain subsidies.
Posted by: James Carville || 08/13/2008 11:26 Comments || Top||

#9  You were probly eating a rat when Granny found ya.
Posted by: wxjames || 08/13/2008 12:00 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
Brave, Brave Lions of Islam Murder Women Aid Workers
PUL-E-ALAM, Afghanistan - A militant ambush of a U.S. aid organization's vehicle Wednesday killed an American aid worker along with a British-Canadian and a Trinidadian colleague, officials said.

The three women who worked for the New York-based International Rescue Committee were attacked in Logar, one province south of Kabul, said Abdullah Khan, the deputy counterterrorism director in Logar. The women's Afghan driver was also killed, said Khan. At Logar province's Pul-e-Alam hospital, Dr. Mir Mabub Shah said all four bodies had multiple bullet wounds.

The attack was carried out by five gunmen brandishing assault rifles who stepped out of a small village area and fired at the IRC vehicles on the main road, said Khan, citing an Afghan who was also wounded in the attack. Khan said the IRC vehicle, a white SUV, was riddled with hundreds of bullets. It had stickers on the side of the vehicle saying IRC. The women were traveling from the eastern city of Gardez to Kabul when they were attacked, he said.

The International Rescue Committee provides emergency relief, rehabilitation, protection of human rights and post-conflict development in countries around the world, according to its Web site.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/13/2008 07:54 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wait until they face "The Feared Killer Bunnies".
Posted by: 3dc || 08/13/2008 12:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Shoot them, stone them, cover them with burkas.

Sounds like they are ass spelunkers to me.



Posted by: Tom Renda || 08/13/2008 15:27 Comments || Top||

#3  When a deity is alleged to have recited a dictate that muslims are not to take Jews and Christians as "friends," then it would be wise to treat muslim diplomatic gestures as hollow, and transient. They hate us; they would murder all of us if we delivered the opportunity to them.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 16:49 Comments || Top||

#4  i just keep thinking of the conversation between the president and the captured alien in Independence Day...
Posted by: Querent || 08/13/2008 17:40 Comments || Top||


Captive 'a terror info treasure trove'
JAILED Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui, charged with trying to murder US officials in Afghanistan, is a "terrorist Mata Hari" and "treasure trove" of information on al-Qaeda, US officials say.

"She is the most significant capture in five years," former CIA agent John Kiriakou said to ABC News, adding that she lives up to her reputation as an "alleged terrorist Mata Hari".
Make sure ev'ryone knows that she's singing like a canary ...
Siddiqui, 36, a frail mother of three who graduated with honours from the prestigious Massachussetts Institute of Technology, was arrested July 17 in Afghanistan, extradited to New York August 4 and indicted the next day on attempted murder. She was wounded during an alleged shootout with FBI agents and US military officers when she was questioned in Afghanistan.
Shootout during interogation. WTF?
A US court put her in medical care. She was on a 2004 US list of suspects linked to al-Qaeda.

When she was arrested in Afghanistan, she was in possession of bomb-making instructions, suspicious liquids and, according to ABC, "a one gigabyte digital media storage device" containing emails between terrorist cells.

Citing sources involved in the investigation, ABC said Siddiqui was also carrying maps and information concerning potential "targets in New York City that included the subway, Times Square and the Statute of Liberty". As well, she carried "documents detailing United States military assets" and detailed chemical, biological and radiological weapon information.

The information found on Siddiqui has led government sources to describe her as a potential "treasure trove" of information on terrorist supporters, sympathisers or sleeper cells in the US and overseas, according to ABC.

Siddiqui's lawyers said their client was held captive for five years - possibly in a secret US or allied prison - and that the attempted murder charges against her were invented as a pretext to bring her to US territory.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/13/2008 00:27 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

#1  I sense use of new interrogation prep models. Once they spill anything, the in-for-a-penny-in-for-a-pound mentality can be induced and the intel floodgates are opened.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 1:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Siddiqui's lawyers said their client was held captive for five years - possibly in a secret US or allied prison - and that the attempted murder charges against her were invented as a pretext to bring her to US territory.

Looks like she's gonna lose in a big way.
Posted by: gorb || 08/13/2008 1:42 Comments || Top||

#3  AIAFA was at PENN STATE and NEW YORK, etc. the same time as Hamdan, and she did carry diamonds wid her.

For me personally the REAL QUESTION > IFF HAMDAN WAS IS + REMAINS OSAMA BIN LADEN's DRIVER-CHAFFEUR, WAS MY OLD AFGHAN WAR COHORT WITH THEM AT THE TIME IN THESE PLACES [incognito]ON THE US MAINLAND!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/13/2008 3:06 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't like where this is going, espec as per GUAM + USDOD-INTEL in the 9-11 event.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/13/2008 3:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Shootout during interogation. WTF?

Amazing, isn't it? The Afghans picked her up, then for some reason parked her, unguarded, behind a curtain in the meeting room where the Americans and Afghans were to discuss the situation before turning her over. One of the Americans, seated next to the curtain, put down his weapon. Dr. Siddiqui grabbed it, and started shooting at everyone. She was shot twice in the abdomen before being subdued. I'm not sure why the journalist chose to describe the events as an interrogation.

she was in possession of bomb-making instructions, suspicious liquids and, according to ABC, "a one gigabyte digital media storage device" containing emails between terrorist cells.

Whee! Another cascade of arrests and... um... non-arrests to come. Happy hunting!
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 4:21 Comments || Top||

#6  As long as the birdie chirps , which she will , I am happy .

The saying "thick as thieves" springs to mind
Posted by: Mad Eye || 08/13/2008 4:36 Comments || Top||

#7  That sound you hear is thousands of AQ emailers saying "Oh s**t!" at once.

"Siddiqui's lawyers said their client was held captive for five years - possibly in a secret US or allied prison - and that the attempted murder charges against her were invented "

Actually she was held in Area 51, in the same room where the moon landings were faked.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 08/13/2008 11:20 Comments || Top||

#8  since we normally only hand out the candy for confirmed kills, for this one, i'll just have to bake a cake...
Posted by: Querent || 08/13/2008 12:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Her resume: MIT educated, married twice, no Cousin It costume! Egads-She's an abomination to Allan!
Off with her head (or remove a kidney, some intestines, etc...)

And them rays coming off her bare head!...MAKE THEM STOP!
Posted by: Ackoopmed || 08/13/2008 13:27 Comments || Top||

#10  She has also been twice married; once to a nephew of 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

Her name reportedly rolled from KSM's lips when he was captured and interrogated by US intelligence officers. She has also been linked to Adnan El Shukrijumah, a pilot and suspected al Qaeda member also on the Ashcroft-Mueller list.
Posted by: ed || 08/13/2008 13:49 Comments || Top||


War in Afghanistan: a tour of hell.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  They are attacking from unpopulated borderland spots. Napalm did the trick in Vietnam. However, post-Carter, find yet another way of disproportionate retaliation or take the loss in morale.

I listened to the voices of Iraq field troops in the "Bad Voodoo War" documentary. Nobody else did. It is folly to impose futility on willing and capable troops. Comedian Artie Lange - who did a USO tour of Afghanistan last month - quoted US troops denouncing the indulgence of the Heroin Industry. It is suicidal to create conditions where a murderous enemy rakes in enough money in June to finance weapon's purchases for a year.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 1:29 Comments || Top||

#2  I listened to the voices of Iraq field troops in the "Bad Voodoo War" documentary. Nobody else did.

My, you certainly are pleased with yourself.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/13/2008 1:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Someone has never been in a combat zone me thinks and bases all his opinions on hearsay and jaded articles he has scoped off the net.

Its pretty shitty all round in any combat area ..
Posted by: Mad Eye || 08/13/2008 4:45 Comments || Top||

#4  conditions at the US Army's most attacked outpost in Afghanistan are reminiscent of the First World War trenches.

Quite a contrast to the ISAF publication posted yesterday. I'm not sure the information in the article quite supports the journalist's premise. Thoughts from those of you qualified to judge, please?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 4:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Pappy:

You must have learned something from that documentary?
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 5:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Napalm is fine with me. It IS cruel, of course, but not exceptionally so to anyone who has seen a lot of shrapnel and bullet wounds over the years.

The peace movement's tacit acceptance of other weapons is obviously a bait-and-switch. If they had any chance of banning artillery or small arms, they would suddenly find them just as objectionable as napalm (though only when they are used against against terrorists and communists).
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/13/2008 6:23 Comments || Top||

#7  For techno-penants, "shrapnel"="fragmentation" (real shrapnel hasn't been used in decades).

Remembering the hundreds of innocents who burned to death at the WTC, I wouldn't mind seeing some Tali-bastards lit up anyway.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/13/2008 6:29 Comments || Top||

#8  I am also a big advocate of self-immolation for peacenik demonstrators:
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 08/13/2008 6:33 Comments || Top||

#9  McZoid dear, Pappy works with the troops as they go to and from the battlefields. He gets informal reports from the source, not mediated through a movie camera.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 7:01 Comments || Top||

#10  Pappy brings to that job his experience as a military veteran who retired after major combat wounds incurred during Gulf 1.

McZoid, you have very little to teach him about warfare or events in any of our active theaters.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 7:31 Comments || Top||

#11  The soldiers, 18 of them, have a grim resignation about them now.

No need to read further. The first paragraph telegraphs (no pun intended) the gist of this story. You see, those dumb colonials (or cowboys, depending on the story's hook) are resigned to their fate. Not determined, but resigned and defeated.

Some of our worse enemies are those closest to us.
Posted by: ed || 08/13/2008 7:59 Comments || Top||

#12  Those formidable Taliban again. Exposed on the ridges, they seem like an ideal
target for UAV and conventional airpower.
Posted by: KBK || 08/13/2008 9:27 Comments || Top||

#13  On a more positive note, along with providing all the coalition soldiers with the tools they need to do their job, Afghanistan is such an inherently unpleasant place that the personnel there should have a world class recreational and recovery facility.

That is, get a top notch brigadier with a hefty budget to build a recreational barracks of the kind that used to exist in Germany. But far more elaborate.

The idea would be to create a modern hotel (not too outrageous, there are several in Kabul), with all the amenities you can think of. Surrounded by a several mile deep landscaped area, looking like something you would see in western Europe or the US. Not anything like Afghanistan.

And not an Afghan or a military uniform to be seen anywhere on the grounds. Civilian dress, and the majority of employees would be western women. Gourmet food prepared by chefs, not cooks.

Much of the place would be a health spa, with a big emphasis on therapeutic massage of several kinds. Being alone would be subtly discouraged, with counselors trained to "buddy up" and stimulate the personnel to talk. And talk and talk. This is a major pressure release. Lots of trained clergy around as well for the same reason.

Other than combat personnel, access should be strictly limited. Lower stress duty assignments would almost never have access. Far more enlisted than officer. Importantly, it would be an individual activity. Personnel from the same unit would intentionally be segregated. They should be thrilled to bump into each other.

While it is easy to equate recreation with electronic entertainments, that should be avoided, as it can interfere with recuperation.

And while it should feel very "homey", it would be an exceptionally serious activity. A very advanced effort for physical and psychological repair.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/13/2008 11:08 Comments || Top||

#14  You must have learned something from that documentary?

There's folks called 'marines and corpsmen' that that take precedence, including ones who've been there and are going there. I barely keep up with my professional reading.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/13/2008 12:34 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Yemen's leading Al Qaeda fugitive killed in shootout
Yemen said on Tuesday that a prominent fugitive member of the local branch of Al Qaeda was killed in a shootout when police stormed a house in the eastern province of Hadramaut.

Hamza al-Quayti, one of 23 Al Qaeda militants who broke out of jail in February 2006, was killed along with four other fighters in Monday's clash in the town of Tarim, the defence ministry website September 26 said. Two policemen were killed and three others wounded, while two militants were wounded and captured, it added. The ministry said the militants who were hiding in a house stormed by security forces had formed a cell which "planned to execute terror attacks and bombings in Yemen and abroad". It said
Police found explosives and documents including Arab passports, including two belonging to Saudis.
police found explosives and documents including Arab passports, including two belonging to Saudis. It claimed the cell was behind attacks including a suicide car bombing that killed eight Spanish tourists and two Yemeni guides at a historic site in Marib, east of Sanaa, in July 2007.

The group was also behind a foiled attack on oil installations in Marib in 2006, and a suicide car bombing last month in the Hadramaut town of Sayun, in which one policeman was killed and 17 people wounded, it added. Three of the 23 Al Qaeda escapees remain at large, five have been killed and 15 others recaptured.
This article starring:
Hadramaut
Marib
Sayun
Tarim
HAMZA AL QUAITIal-Qaeda in Yemen
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Yemen

#1  Steve Allen wrote over 10,000 songs, and Kate Smith could belt any tune out with the best of 'em.
Don't remember "Lights Out in Yemen" but he probably wrote it....
Posted by: Muggsy Glink || 08/13/2008 2:57 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Three dead as unrest flares in Xinjiang
Three security officers were killed in China's remote northwest on Tuesday, state media reported, raising the death toll from over a week of unrest there that has flared during the Olympics to 31.

Assailants jumped off a vehicle passing through a checkpoint in the Xinjiang region and stabbed four security officers, killing three of them and injuring the other, the Xinhua news agency reported. The attack was the third in eight days in Xinjiang, a vast desert region bordering central Asia that is experiencing its biggest spike in violence in years. Analysts attribute the surge to separatists from Xinjiang's repressed Muslim Uighur ethnic minority who are seeking to raise publicity for their cause while world attention is on China for the Beijing Olympics, which began last week.

China has also repeatedly warned that "terrorists" from Xinjiang are trying to sabotage the Games, but insisted massive security across the country will ensure there is no direct attack on the Olympics. Xinhua said Tuesday's killings happened in Yamanya town, about 30 kilometres (19 miles) from Kashgar, one of Xinjiang's major cities where 16 policemen were murdered in the first attack on August 4.

China said terrorists seeking holy war carried out that attack, in which two assailants who were later captured drove a truck at a group of policemen, then attacked the officers with machetes and explosives. The next flashpoint in Xinjiang was the city of Kuqa, where assailants using home-made bombs targetted police and government offices, as well as public buildings, on Sunday. One security guard was killed and 11 attackers died in those bombings and ensuing clashes with police, according to Xinhua. Dilxat Raxit, spokesman of the German-based World Uighur Congress, said authorities in Kuqa had since detained over 90 innocent Uighurs. "This includes women," he wrote in an email, quoting local Uighurs he had talked to by telephone. "They have also been mass detentions in adjacent areas."
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Terror trial begins in Copenhagen
The trial of two men accused of planning a bomb attack began in a Copenhagen court on Monday. Two men of Pakistani and Afghan background are alleged to have produced a bomb using the same kind of explosives that were used in the London bombings in 2005.

Both men have pleaded not guilty, but admitted making triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, saying it was to be used for fireworks.

The prosecutor in the so-called 'Glasvej' case presented video evidence from the Danish Intelligence Service (PET) to the court. The video was secretly filmed inside the home of one of the young men, after PET was tipped off in May last year that the man had attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan. The video shows the 22-year-old Pakistani man sitting on the floor of his apartment, allegedly mixing chemicals and singing about martyrdom.

TV2 news reports that the police were able to recover deleted photographs from a mobile phone, which show him in the company of people holding automatic weapons, mortars and missiles. Other footage showed the men leaving the room, followed by the noise of an explosion off camera. Prosecutor Lone Damgaard said that the accused were testing TAPT in a residential area of Copenhagen on 1 September last year, three days before they were arrested.

Neither man can be named due to a court order.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 08:40 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Both men have pleaded not guilty, but admitted making triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, saying it was to be used for fireworks.

Heh. Blow your ass to hell and back fireworks, maybe. Still I give them credit for not using the traditional Muslim "we're too stupid to do that" defense.
Posted by: SteveS || 08/13/2008 9:23 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Missiles hit hutch in Pakiland, Bunny bodies everywhere
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan – A missile strike targeting an alleged militant gathering point killed at least nine people, including foreigners, in northwestern Pakistan, military and intelligence officials said Wednesday.

At least four missiles struck a compound in a remote and mountainous area near Angore Adda in the South Waziristan tribal region late Tuesday, the officials told The Associated Press.

The tribal regions are considered havens for al-Qaeda and Taliban-linked militants, and the U.S. has pushed Pakistan to root out insurgents in those semiautonomous areas bordering Afghanistan.

The military official said at least nine people died. Two intelligence officials said between 22 and 25 people died, including Arabs, Turkmen and Pakistani militants in what they believed was a U.S. missile strike launched from Afghanistan.

They said the camp is linked to the militant group of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, whose followers are fighting U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan. They said it was not clear if the camp leader, an Afghan identified as Commander Zangeer, or senior militants were killed.

The intelligence officials said their information on the attack came from local informants.

A U.S. military spokesman in Afghanistan denied involvement. “I've got no reports of any border incidents, any cross-border incidents, so it wasn't us,” U.S. 1st Lt. Nathan Perry said.

A denial does not rule out U.S. involvement, including by the CIA, which is believed to have conducted previous such strikes using Predator drones.

Pakistan has previously called such strikes violations of its sovereignty, but on Wednesday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed Sadiq said he had no official information on the latest one.

Pakistan's army spokesman was not immediately available to comment. The other officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to media.

Suspected U.S. missile strikes have killed at least two senior al-Qaeda militants inside Pakistan this year, including an renowned Egyptian explosives and poison expert, Abu Khabab al-Masri, who died in a strike in South Waziristan in late July.

Meanwhile, unknown gunmen attacked the headquarters of a banned militant group in the Khyber tribal region early Wednesday and shot dead its leader, his spokesman said.

Namdar died of his wounds after he was shifted to a local hospital from the shooting in Barqambarkhel, about seven miles from the region's main town of Bara, Munsaf Khan said.

Namdar's supporters captured two suspects after the shooting, Khan said. He refused to identify the suspects and said it was too early to say who was behind the attack.

Government officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

The Vice and Virtue Movement was among three groups banned in June when security forces launched an operation to curb militancy and lawlessness in Khyber, amid concern that the main northwestern city of Peshawar could be under threat. A key supply route for U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan snakes through the region.

Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/13/2008 11:41 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Hizb-i-Islami-Hekmatyar

#1  Wonder who they got? Guess we'll know in a coupla days once they match up the body parts.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/13/2008 12:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Wonder if Aafia Siddiqui made any contributions to this mission? If it really was a 'mission' and not a 'training accident'.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/13/2008 12:39 Comments || Top||

#3  That's a real pisser. I recommend you find some nicer friends.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/13/2008 16:49 Comments || Top||


Pakistan violence leaves 35 dead
A suspected US missile strike has killed 10 militants at a training camp in a Pakistani tribal area, while 25 people died in fresh clashes near the Afghan border, officials said.

The violence in the ethnic Pashtun tribal regions along the mountainous frontier comes amid mounting US pressure for Islamabad to tackle rebels who are launching attacks on international forces in Afghanistan.

Four missiles hit the Islamist camp in the troubled South Waziristan region, which was run by a militant from the Hezb-i-Islami group of wanted Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, security officials said.

"At least 10 militants were killed in the strikes" late Tuesday, a senior Pakistani security official said. "There were reports about the presence of Arab, Turkmen and local militants."

"This is their work," he added, referring to US-led coalition forces deployed across the border in Afghanistan.

In Kabul, the US military said the missiles were not fired by either NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) or the US-led coalition.

"This is not true. We have no reports of missiles being fired into Pakistan," US-led coalition spokesman Lieutenant Nathan Perry said.

The US Central Intelligence Agency is also known to operate pilotless drone aircraft armed with missiles, but it was not available for comment.

Another security official said the camp was run by a local militant, Zanjir Wazir, who he described as the "local commander of Hezb-i-Islami, Afghanistan".

"It is not clear whether Wazir survived the attack or not, but his brother Abdur Rehman and one of their close relatives, Abdul Salam, were killed in the strike," he added.

Hekmatyar himself was not in the camp and is believed to be in Afghanistan, officials said.

Hekmatyar, a former commander of the 1978-1989 anti-Soviet resistance, is involved in an insurgency against the Western-backed Government in Afghanistan. The elusive militant leader is wanted by Kabul and Washington.

Witnesses said the missiles destroyed two houses close to each other and rescue workers were seen removing debris amid fears that more people could be trapped inside.

Local militants cordoned off the area and journalists were not allowed access to the site. Residents said the houses were part of a militant training camp.

Al Qaeda chemical and biological weapons expert Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar was killed in a similar missile strike in July.

The Egyptian, 54, also known as Abu Khabab al-Masri, had a $US million bounty on his head and allegedly ran terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has protested over a wave of missile strikes attributed to US-led forces in Afghanistan in recent months which have killed dozens of people.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani urged US President George W Bush during talks last month not to act "unilaterally" against Islamic militants in Pakistan.

Mr Gilani's fledgling government opened peace talks with the Taliban earlier this year but has since launched several military operations, including an ongoing offensive in the Bajaur tribal region.

At least 25 people, mostly militants, were killed on Wednesday when Pakistani helicopter gunships strafed villages in Bajaur, taking the death toll from a week of fighting there to more than 180, officials and witnesses said.

Residents said people were fleeing to safer places in adjoining areas but Taliban militants were erecting road blocks to prevent the exodus.

Separately on Wednesday a gunman shot dead an Islamist militant leader, Haji Namdar, as he taught at a religious school in the Khyber tribal region near the north-western city of Peshawar, officials said.
Posted by: tipper || 08/13/2008 10:44 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Residents said people were fleeing to safer places in adjoining areas but Taliban militants were erecting road blocks to prevent the exodus.

Must keep those human shields intact. Not so much for keeping from being attacked (which would be a violation of the Geneva Conventions), but for generating innocent civilian casualties to blame on the attackers (which nobody at Geneva even thought of, most likely.)
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/13/2008 11:36 Comments || Top||

#2  I seem to remember Bush saying something like, "you're either with us, or you're with the enemy" right after 9/11. Guess we know exactly where the Pakistanis are, don't we? This may just be the "end times" - for Pakistan.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/13/2008 15:30 Comments || Top||


Mourners riot over Kashmir protest deaths
Angry Muslims mourning at least 20 protesters killed by police torched security bunkers and rioted in Indian Kashmir's main city on Wednesday, as a land row with Hindus revived calls for independence.

Police fired teargas shells to disperse thousands of Muslim protesters who defied a curfew at several places across Kashmir Valley, police said.

They said over two dozen people were injured in clashes between stone-throwing protesters and police.

A curfew remained in force in much of the valley after some of the biggest protests since a separatist revolt against Indian rule broke out in 1989 over what Muslim traders said was an economic blockade of their region by Hindus in adjoining Jammu.
The slogans they shouted didn't seem to include "all you need is love".
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 07:40 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So they are ant-violence riots?
I'm confused.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/13/2008 11:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Them too
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 11:10 Comments || Top||


Key militant arrested in Swat
Security forces arrested Yaqoob Shah, a key commander of the Swat militants, on Tuesday. They also bombed the houses of two militant commanders, Mufti Shah Hussain and Sheshah. A large number of weapons were recovered from Sheshah's house.

The militants had bombed a primary girls' school in Besh Banr and destroyed one bridge in Irkot and another in Gulibagh area of the district the previous night. Security forces continued their operation against suspected militants in Swat. Four people were killed while 17 others were injured in various incidents during the operation. The dead included at least two civilians and one child.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: TTP


Seven Taliban arrested in Hangu
Paramilitary forces on Tuesday arrested seven suspected Taliban militants from Doaba area of Hangu district and shifted them to an undisclosed location, sources said. The forces arrested the militants and seized heavy arms. The sources told Daily Times that the militants were in the area to carry out "subversive" activities.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: TTP


Man shot dead, two injured in Quetta
One man was killed and two others were injured when unidentified armed men opened fire on them on Tuesday morning, police said. According to the police, unidentified motorcyclists opened fire at a mason and his nephew when they were on their way to work on Shahwak Shah Road. As a result, the mason died while his nephew and a passerby sustained multiple bullet injuries. They have been hospitalised and a case registered.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That would be: Balochis v Punjabis. I think.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 5:58 Comments || Top||


Tribesmen blame Afghanistan for supporting clashes in Kurram Agency
Clashes between the warring Bangash and Toori tribes have left at least 13 more dead and injured 20 others while the local tribal elders have accused the Afghan National Army (ANA) of interfering in Kurram Agency and taking advantage of the ongoing clashes, reported Dawn News on Tuesday.
"Fedex! Somebody wanta sign for this shipment of arms and ammunition?"
The local tribesmen told the channel that hundreds of fighters of the ANA were coming from Afghanistan to take part in the clashes. The tribesmen claimed that the government and the local administration were helpless.They said that Afghanistan's involvement in the clashes could result in the fight spreading to other parts of Kurram Agency. According to the channel, 53 people have died and 94 injured in the tribal conflict so far.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: TTP

#1  So, the border leaks both ways?
Posted by: tipover || 08/13/2008 0:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Porous is as porous does.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/13/2008 0:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey, Seafarious, long time no... Sea?
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/13/2008 1:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Yep. Long time no Sea, and thanks for the shout out. Been missing the 'Burg. I 'spect I'll be around more regular-like, but my schedule has gotten very full. And I am doing some very interesting things, about which I can say no more.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/13/2008 1:29 Comments || Top||

#5  You're not doing it right. You're supposed to say "I can say no more!" Put feeling into it.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/13/2008 1:46 Comments || Top||

#6  The Afghan National Army is engaged in cousinly battles on the far side of the border? Isn't that what the Pakistan Taliban have been doing since they conquered Afghanistan in the 1990s?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 4:50 Comments || Top||


School damaged in Khuzdar blast
A school was partially damaged in an explosion in Khuzdar, but no casualties were reported. Unidentified people threw a bomb inside the school, which exploded and smashed windowpanes of the building. According to police, the blast was caused by a cracker. A case has been registered.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Security forces ask Khar residents to move out
Security forces have warned residents in three tehsils of Bajaur Agency to force militants to leave their areas. "Get these unwanted people out of your areas, otherwise we will bomb places where the militants are present," pamphlets dropped from helicopters in Utmankhel, Khar and Mamoond read. The pamphlets also advised the local population in the three tehsils to move to safer places to avoid being harmed, as more bombings were expected.

Militants killed: Air raids on suspected hideouts of militants in Utmankhel and Khar were carried out on Tuesday resulting in the killing of 21 militants, official sources said. "Fighter jets and helicopter gunships were used to target the suspected places," the sources went on to say.

Five civilians were also reported to have been killed during bombing in Khar's Nawedhand area. Officials claimed the dead were militants, but local residents denied that.

Taliban warn: A spokesman for Taliban leader Gul Bahadar in North Waziristan "warned" the government against operation in Bajaur and other areas. In a press statement in Miranshah, spokesman Ahmadullah Ahmedi said that the new Taliban bloc would not tolerate "inhuman" attacks. "Bombings and operations are no solution. However, negotiations can lead to a solution and we invite the government to order ceasefire to pave the way for talks," he said.

Peace committees have been formed in Khar tehsil to keep militants out of the area, Daily Times learnt. "We have formed different peace committees and volunteers will guard their respective areas against local and foreign militants' presence," cleric Maulana Hanif said. He said the administration promised to not carry out any operation.

Migrations: Meanwhile, thousands of people had migrated to the neighbouring Dir district due to ongoing military operation in Bajaur Agency. They were living in temporary shelters set up in the Munda area of Timer Garah in Lower Dir district.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: TTP


Bomb hits Pak air force truck: 14 killed
A roadside bomb hit a Pakistan air force truck in a northwestern city yesterday, killing as many as 14 people including a 5-year-old girl, as the military pounded insurgent positions in a nearby tribal region.

The blast hit the vehicle on a bridge on the outskirts of Peshawar, provincial police Chief Malik Naveed Khan said. The truck was travelling between the city and the nearby air force base in Badaber.

Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik said al-Qaeda-linked militants were likely behind the attack. He said Pakistan had been taking action against Taliban militants, but did not say whether Tuesday's attack could be a response to recent military operations in the region. "It is our firm resolve that we will root out terrorism from Pakistan, and all of our security agencies are working together to achieve this goal," he told The Associated Press.

The powerful explosion tore a large hole in the bridge, reducing the Mazda truck to a smouldering wreck. The site was littered with debris, blood and also the mangled wreckage of a motorcycle.

A crowd of bystanders gathered at the scene as victims were ferried away in ambulances. Firefighters hosed down the blackened carcass of the truck, and air force investigators gathered evidence.

An AP Television News cameraman at the scene said he saw at least 12 dead bodies and about a dozen wounded people. He said the victims included civilians.

There were varying accounts of the toll. Provincial government spokesman Mian Iftikhar Hussain said 14 people were killed in all, mostly air force personnel, and more than 12 people were wounded.

It came as Pakistani army gunship helicopters shelled suspected militant positions early Tuesday in the Bajur tribal area, which has been wracked by fighting since last week.

Pakistani warplanes killed at least six civilians in a tribal area bordering Afghanistan on Monday after fierce clashes in which more than 50 Taliban militants were killed, officials said.

Jets pounded suspected Islamist hideouts after rebels attacked two security posts overnight, but some bombs hit civilian houses in the Bajaur tribal zone, a known haunt of al-Qaeda and Taliban militants, local security officials said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: TTP

#1  A similar incident occured involving Air Force members who were boarding a bus a couple of years ago. Payback raids were launched in the Wazoos a few weeks later.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 5:47 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Captured Hezbollah propaganda expert drops a dime on his own brother
BAGHDAD – Coalition forces captured two suspected propaganda experts affiliated with Kata’ib Hezbollah during operations in the Mansour district of Baghdad Wednesday morning.

Acting on intelligence information, Coalition forces tracked down a suspected propaganda expert for KataÂ’ib Hezbollah. The individual is suspected of assisting the group with uploading videos of attacks against Iraqi and Coalition forces to websites.

Coalition forces entered what was assessed as the suspectÂ’s residence. When the suspect identified himself to forces, his wife affirmed that he was the wanted individual. At the residence, forces found weapons and numerous pieces of computer equipment, including a laptop which had been most recently used to access a video sharing web site. This is how Coalition forces believe the propaganda videos are uploaded.

After questioning the suspect, he revealed the location of another propaganda expert wanted by Coalition forces, who happened to be the captured individualÂ’s brother. The captured man showed Coalition forces to his brotherÂ’s house, which was in the same neighborhood. Forces moved in and detained that second suspect without incident.

Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/13/2008 17:26 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  Oh, brother dear....
heh

Posted by: 3dc || 08/13/2008 19:18 Comments || Top||


Explosives-laden town erased - Gen Curtis LeMay would be proud
"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."
Curtis Lemay


BYA'A, Iraq -- The "Husky" mine-clearing vehicle rolled into this southern Diyala province village as one hefty piece of machinery. Hours later, it was towed out in damaged sections by a recovery team.

Two mines destroyed the vehicle as it was freeing up a passage within this small village on the Tigris River.

Nearby, numerous roadside bombs and booby-trapped homes rigged with homemade explosives were found. It turned out that the abandoned village of roughly 30 homes was heavily fortified with bombs believed to be planted by fleeing al-Qaida in Iraq fighters.

Houses laced with explosives have delayed U.S. and Iraqi forces from pushing south into areas where coalition presence has been nonexistent in past years. Main roadways are also peppered with roadside bombs, adding to the slowdown in an operation launched two weeks ago. Rather than jeopardize lives, leadership from the U.S. Army's 2nd Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment decided to pull back its troops and fight bombs with bombs.

As the sun began to set Sunday, six Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons roared up high and dropped eight 500-pound bombs on marked targets. Massive explosions ensued and plumes of dark smoke rose hundreds of feet. Several buildings were leveled and left smoldering into the night.

The clearing duties were part of Operation Dragoon Pursuit -- the 2nd Cavalry's share of an Iraqi-led offensive dubbed "Good Tidings of Benevolence." More than 30,000 Iraqi security forces are said to be involved. The goals are stability in the region and helping local government rebuild in a province recently plagued by suicide bombers.

The operation "denies them places to hide," Capt. Michael Martin, commander of 2nd squadron's Palehorse Troop, said of insurgents.

Last week, a home exploded near Bya'a that wounded four U.S. troops and killed one Iraqi Army soldier and wounded three others.

"The worst thing we can do is be in a hurry," Lt. Col. Myron Reineke, the 2nd Cavalry's commander, recently told a group of Iraqi commanders. "It's better to do it right than fast, where more could get injured."

The 2nd Cavalry, out of Vilseck, Germany, is all too familiar with the explosive devices, commonly made from nitrate-based explosives like fertilizer. At least seven of its soldiers have already been killed by exploding homes this year. Six of them perished during one incident in January.

Martin and others sensed there could be trouble in Bya'a. When his troops arrived in their Stryker armored vehicles, Bya'a was a ghost town surrounded by a belt of roadside bombs. As much as 60 percent of the village's homes had signs of booby traps, including trip wires, crush wires, pressure plates and 55-gallon drums placed against buildings.

Martin, 31, of Sacramento, Calif., estimates that his unit has encountered about 50 house and roadside bombs in less than two weeks within his sector. Though residents may someday return to Bya'a, it was deemed too dangerous to save many of the homes. Martin said the Iraqi government has taken ownership of the continuing issue of displaced Iraqis in Diyala by setting up restitution funds.

"This was unlike anything we've ever seen," Martin said of the bomb-infested village. "It's a complicated situation. [But] we've determined that saving houses did not outweigh the casualty risk."

Air Force Staff Sgt. Jesse Montez, 31, of Denver, and his explosive-trained German shepherd, Britta, were ready to clear the village until his Army counterparts chose to use the F-16s to drop bombs instead. "I'm pissed off that I've been out here for 13 hours and haven't got to search," said Montez, who just replaced a Marine dog handler injured in last week's blast. "But at the same time, if it's that bad it's better to do what they're doing."

He then couldn't resist the chance to poke fun at the Army. "I always hear soldiers dogging the Air Force. But they sure are quick to call in close air support [from Air Force jets]," he said jokingly.

The bombing campaign was the first to be seen by Pfc. Jeremy Stevenson, a Palehorse troop medic. "I think they should bomb the hell out of the place," he said after a bomb exploded a half mile away, followed by a concussion wave. "If not, you're just putting people's lives in danger for no point."
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/13/2008 17:13 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


The Explosives were placed in the body so they could kill his family - The religion of peace
Added: Aug 12 2008

Captured Orc Terrorist: We slaughtered the body, cut his guts out and filled it with explosives


Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/13/2008 16:36 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is a fine example of the Jamaat Ansar al-Sunnah or Group of the Protectors of Sunnah (faith) membership.

I'm sure you'll not be hearing CAIR protesting this type of barbarity. But, what ever you do, don't dis Mo or Allan.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/13/2008 16:55 Comments || Top||


4 suspects nabbed in Makhmour
(VOI) -- Iraqi army forces captured four suspected members of al-Qaeda network during a raid on a village of the northern Iraq district of Makhmour district on Tuesday, an army source said. "A force from the Iraqi army's 5th Brigade detained four suspected members of al-Qaeda in the village of Makkouk, (40 km) west of Makhmour, upon intelligence tips on the presence of suspected gunmen in the area," the source, who refused to have his name published, told Aswat al-Iraq -- Voices of Iraq -- (VOI).
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq


22 persons arrested, soldier killed in Baghdad
(VOI) - Iraqi security forces arrested 22 people and one man was killed during security operations launched in different areas of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, Baghdad's operations command said on Tuesday. "Police and army forces arrested nine wanted men and 13 suspected gunmen during security raids in a number of Baghdad's neighborhoods," the command said in a statement received by Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI). "The forces seized amounts of weapons and, ammunitions and explosives during the operation," he added, noting that an Iraqi security soldier was killed and three were injured during the operations.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


2 gunmen detained while planting bomb in western Kirkuk
(VOI) - Two gunmen were arrested on Tuesday while planting a bomb on a main road in western Kirkuk, a local police chief said. "A joint force of police and tribal fighters arrested two armed men whole planting a roadside bomb on the main road between al-Multaqa and Riyadh districts in western Kirkuk," Brigadier Sarhad Qadir told Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI). "The gunmen are under investigation," he added.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State of Iraq

#1  Unleash the Kurds. They have shown restraint in face of Sunni terror.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 5:45 Comments || Top||


2 civilians injured, gunmen kidnap 2 truck drivers in Mosul
(VOI) -- Two civilians were wounded in a bomb explosion, while unknown gunmen kidnapped two truck drivers in two separate incidents in western Mosul, a police source said. "An explosive charge went off in al-Zinjli region in western Mosul, wounding two civilians," the source told Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI) on condition of anonymity. Meanwhile, the same source said that unknown gunmen kidnap two truck drivers in al-Yabesat region in western Mosul. "The gunmen blocked the way of the two trucks loading with wheat and took with their drivers to an unknown place," he also said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State of Iraq


4 wanted men arrested, weapons seized in Ninewa
(VOI) -- Iraqi security forces arrested four wanted men and seized amounts of weapons and ammunitions in separate areas in Ninewa, the official spokesman for the Ninewa operations command said on Tuesday. "Iraqi army forces seized 397 Kalashnikovs and 18 different guns during a crackdown operation waged in al-Karama and al-Refaaei neighborhoods in eastern and western Mosul," Brig. Khaled Abdul Sattar told Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI). "Police forces confiscated 12 Kalashnikovs during a security raid in al-Dubat neighborhood in eastern Mosul," he added.

Meanwhile, the brigadier said that "a force from the 9th brigade of the 3rd division managed to arrest a wanted man in Kharba al-Tebn village in Talafar district, west of Mosul, while another force from the 2nd division arrested three wanted men in al-Methaq neighborhood in southeastern Mosul."

"The policemen found also five mortar shells in a deserted house in al-Zinjili region in western Mosul," he also said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State of Iraq


US arrests 9 pro-Iranian group suspects in Iraq
Nine suspected members of a pro-Iranian insurgent group have been arrested in the Iraqi capital, the US military said on Tuesday. "Intelligence sources led coalition forces to the location of a suspected Kataib Hezbollah associate believed to be in control of at least one terrorist cell" operating in the southern city of Basra, it said in a statement. It said the man and three others were detained in operations carried out late Monday and early Tuesday in the northern district of Adhamiyah.

In two other operations in the same area, five more men were captured with weapons and electronic equipment used to launch improvised rocket-assisted mortars, the military said. One man detained was allegedly designing websites for Kataib Hezbollah, to publicise their attacks on Iraqi and US forces.

In a statement on Al-Manar television which is run by Lebanon's Hezbollah, Kataib Hezbollah has said its main aim was to drive US and British troops out of Iraq. Washington has long alleged that Tehran is supporting various anti-US insurgency groups in war-torn Iraq, calling them "Special Groups" or splinter factions once allied with Iraq's Moqtada al-Sadr.

The US military said Kataib Hezbollah, while not part of the Special Groups, had since 2005 claimed responsibility for sophisticated attacks and alleged that the group was supported by Iran, receiving funding, logistics and weapons. Its fighters also receive guidance from Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard Corps, it said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah


Boom bitch Cross-dressing jihadi blasts Baqouba
BAGHDAD - The U.S. military says two Iraqis have been killed and 12 others wounded when a female suicide bomber struck a convoy carrying senior Iraqi officials in Baqouba. Tuesday's blast is the second suicide bombing in the city in as many days.

However, provincial and Iraqi police officials say it was a male bomber and the convoy was also carrying the Diyala governor.

According to the U.S. military in northern Iraq, the woman blew herself up as a convoy carrying the Iraqi commander of ground forces in the surrounding Diyala province was near government offices in central Baqouba. It says she detonated her explosives relatively far from Gen. Ali Ghaidan because Iraqi soldiers guarding the convoy noticed she was acting suspiciously.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not exactly. Dude looked like a lady. Via Roggio:

Insurgents, who have increasingly turned to women to stage suicide bombings, on Tuesday used a man dressed as a woman in a failed assassination attempt on a provincial governor.

The target, Gov. Raad Tamimi of Diyala province, escaped unharmed. But at least one other person was killed and several were wounded when the bomber's vest exploded near the governor's convoy.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/13/2008 0:45 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Ongoing cyberattack against Georgia using botnet
Distributed around the world by now.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is the future, folks. Look for the US internet to be mostly shut down the next war we get into. If it's conflict with the Chinese, we can expect real pain. The "Great Firewall" works both ways - keeping China safe while keeping foreigners out. The US doesn't have anything to keep a massive attack from flooding the internet with useless information. A couple of bombs at key access points, and we'd be back in 1995, with faxes and POTS.
Posted by: gromky || 08/13/2008 0:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Gee, wotta shocker. And here I thought all the botnets Russia allowed to proliferate were just for spam...
Posted by: mojo || 08/13/2008 2:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Perhaps I ought to start running the anti-virus, spybot and ad-aware programs weekly, to reduce the chance that my computer is helping the Russians or the Chinese. Any suggestions from the many Rantburg experts?
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 4:59 Comments || Top||

#4  I am not too worried about China. Taiwan isn't the flashpoint that it used to be. They conduct heavy trade with the Mainland, and Taiwanese even retire there. .
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 5:39 Comments || Top||

#5  I am not too worried about China

You should be. DOD's information assurance experts are - one of them told me privately he suspects the SIPRNET is may be already passively compromised.

There's a huge effort underway to improve cyberdefense on our mil systems. But those systems are disparate and (for better or for worse) not fully integrated.

The service turf battles that Rummy tried to override made, and continue to make, DISA's work in cyberdefense harder. China meanwhile has a large number of computer scientists educated in the US who will never get a wife and whose energies have been channelled into nationalism.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 6:45 Comments || Top||

#6  The US only controls the root server. Any nation trying this could find themselves for many years in a very dark, self referential corner of the internet.
Posted by: ed || 08/13/2008 7:52 Comments || Top||

#7  jumbled mini rant

China meanwhile has a large number of computer scientists educated in the US who will never get a wife and whose energies have been channelled into nationalism.

Caliphornia: Asian Americans will be the largest group at UCLA and Berkeley, outnumbering whites.

Cal Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA etc. are packed full of Chinese, Many are Chinese nationals getting University educations on student visas, the rest are mostly second or third generation Chinese American Citizens.

Will our own Chinese Citizens be loyal to the USA or the greater Chinese Empire?

In WW II we had the same concerns.... but in Nation which basically loved America.

Our volunteers have done a magnificent job in Iraq and A-stan, as good or better as any American Era.

And that was done In spite of a 40 year Bombardment of Lies, Distortions and Hate hammered at them by the elitist rags and the MSM, starting with our founders on up thru today; So called AP "stringers" and millions Lies about Haditha.

lotp, did anyone ask you or any of your friends whether we should have so many foreign Nationals getting a public school education? [free]

No Gubmimnt offical ever asked me or mine.
Posted by: Red Dawg || 08/13/2008 8:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Nope, nobody asked me.

However:

we have a major problem right here at home. Way too few of our own students are interested in or prepared to major in math, science or engineering. The IEEE (the world's largest professional / technical society) is very concerned about this. Those of us active in the IEEE are working hard on a variety of initiatives aimed at getting kids interested, especially at the middle-school level which appears to be the window of opportunity for shaping their career interests.

It will take years, at best. And if we fail we WILL lose our economic and military advantage.

The problem goes deeper than admissions policies. There is little demand by Americans for those skills at the undergrad or graduate level.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 8:56 Comments || Top||

#9  "The problem goes deeper than admissions policies. There is little demand by Americans for those skills at the undergrad or graduate level."

lotp, that is the classic cheicken or egg thingie at work; many potential engineers see what corporate America is doing ( outsourcing or a foreign country) and figure their job security prospects are better in some other field. Hence the low demand. Just my humble observations from the aerospace and manufacturing bleachers.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 08/13/2008 13:51 Comments || Top||

#10  "The US doesn't have anything to keep a massive attack from flooding the internet with useless information"

you can say that again ;)
Posted by: supergalitz || 08/13/2008 13:55 Comments || Top||

#11  "did anyone ask you or any of your friends whether we should have so many foreign Nationals getting a public school education"

what gave you the idea that state universities are free, even to instate residents?
Posted by: supergalitz || 08/13/2008 13:56 Comments || Top||

#12  That would explain a lot. Maybe "they" decided it was important to wipe out Usenet's sci.space.policy a decade ahead of time.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 08/13/2008 13:57 Comments || Top||

#13  For state, ie public, universities, out-of-state students pay double or more the tuition. I don't know if out-of-country students pay even more than that, but I would not be surprised. Way back in 1979 the school I attended, the State University of New York at Buffalo, had the second biggest foreign student population of any school in the country. (UC Berkeley was then #1.) There were a great many Red Chinese and Indian students then. The Chinese went home once they'd got their PhDs, the Indians stayed and settled. The Japanese came only for the summer -- the English As A Second Language course was extremely popular.

Anecdotal, I know, but the boyfriend of trailing daughter #1 is halfway through a 5-year BS/MS program for mechanical engineering, td #2's boyfriend will either go for chemistry or teaching English literature, and formerly temporary daughter's boyfriend should end up a double major in electrical engineering/computer science, after which he'll either end up in lotp's end of the world or academia.

Finally, Forbes recently put out an article about the highest paying Batchelor's degrees. Number one was computer science, followed by the other flavours of engineering, mathematics and economics, and a few others. Their conclusion was that not only the best starting salaries, but the best long term earning potential came from degrees tied to mathematics and science, and not just because the rigour of those programs gives employers a clear indication of actual ability and trustworthiness.link

Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 14:31 Comments || Top||

#14  I like to hope our government has people who can hack as good as they can. It sounds like it'd be a heckuva lot of fun. Why, I could fight the commie bastards in my pajamas from the comfort of my own home office.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/13/2008 15:40 Comments || Top||

#15  Offense is easy.

Defending a complex set of systems which were engineered on open assumptions? harder.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 15:46 Comments || Top||

#16  Remember that our cyber infrastructure extends well beyond the Net - as these guys know full well.
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 15:49 Comments || Top||

#17  Offense is easy.

So much the better. Defense is good. I like defense. Firewalls, spam filters, SSL and VPNs are all good things. But they are expensive and time consuming and my point is that we should make them pay. Let them know that we can hurt them too. Then sit back and chuckle while our government asserts with a wink and a nod that it was just "rogue" elements in our country over which we have no control.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/13/2008 18:59 Comments || Top||

#18  ...over whom we have no control...

Spell checker doesn't catch things like that.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/13/2008 19:00 Comments || Top||

#19  It's always amazing just how illiterate and incoherent trolls are.

And how CLEVER to post using the nyms of regulars!!
Posted by: not trailing wife || 08/13/2008 19:12 Comments || Top||

#20  new troll here folks
Posted by: not lotp || 08/13/2008 19:14 Comments || Top||

#21  Its called linux. BSD is out there too.

I use the debain flavor of linux found here:
http://www.debian.org

It avoids windows virus attacks by not natively running windows code. It is safer than windows because it's code source is always on the web for anybody to peer review. And they do.
I build my own OS kernels based on source from Kernel.org
My desktop is able to do all the fancy stuff that your windows one does except play first person windows games in raw mode.
I can even run windows in a VM like KVM or emulations like WINE.
And best of all... ITS FREE!
as in FREE LUNCH...

Posted by: 3dc || 08/13/2008 19:40 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Thai terrorists continue attacks upon schools
Posted by: ryuge || 08/13/2008 05:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Fighting abates in Philippines as rebels pull out
Muslim separatists in the southern Philippines were pulling out of Catholic farmlands on Tuesday after a fierce military assault on their positions forced nearly 160,000 people to flee, they said. "Our forces on the ground are withdrawing from the conflict areas so we expect fighting to end by tomorrow (Wednesday)," Eid Kabalu, a spokesman for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), told Reuters. "We expect the situation to normalise."

Kabalu said fighting had subsided by Monday night after a two-day barrage of bombs and mortars rained down on farms and villages in North Cotabato on troubled Mindanao island. Analysts said both sides were flexing their military muscle after yet another setback in long-running talks to end a near 40-year separatist conflict in Mindanao that has killed over 120,000 people.

Manila is keen to be seen protecting the majority Catholic population in the resource-rich south after details of its generous concessions to the MILF on territory, political power and mineral rights were leaked earlier this month. Catholic politicians successfully halted the signing of the deal and legal experts expect the Supreme Court to rule within the next few months that the agreement was unconstitutional. Major Armand Rico, an army spokesman on the southern island, said soldiers were encountering less resistance from rebels, and on Tuesday "liberated" five more villages in North Cotabato province.

Arroyo met on Tuesday with her security officials to discuss the situation in Mindanao, supporting a proposal in Senate to amend the constitution turning the Philippines into a federal republic to accommodate rebels' demand for a homeland. Arroyo was eager to strike a deal with Muslim rebels to help attract investment to one of the country's resource-rich regions, sitting on huge oil, gas and mineral deposits and large tracts of land suitable for rubber, palm and tropical fruit plantations. Up to $100 million in development projects from international donors could also come in to boost the Philippines' poorest area, where average annual income was just 89,000 pesos ($2,026) in 2006, less than a third of the level in Manila. MILF commanders on the ground are outraged at pece deal setback but analysts do not expect the current fighting to spread into an all-out war because neither side has the resources to deliver a knockout punch.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Moro Islamic Liberation Front

#1  2008-2012/2016 > looks like Media- and Diplom-correct POLITICS = RUNNING FOR POL OFFICE is the name of the game in the PI as well as in IRAQ [Sadr] + LEBANON [Hizb/Nasrallah], at least for awhile.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/13/2008 1:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Hurrah! A win for 49 Pan and his friend Joe! Not to mention the much abused Catholics in that part of the world.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/13/2008 4:53 Comments || Top||

#3  MILF is pulling out? Man, that's a buzz-kill.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 08/13/2008 10:33 Comments || Top||

#4  The catholics need to get downright medieval on their arses there. They are going to be in the same boat as the Indonesian Christians if they don't get with it.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/13/2008 16:53 Comments || Top||

#5  HMMMMM, See also CHINESE MIL FORUM > NEW WAR BREAKS OUT IN THE PHILIPPINES AS MUSLIMS OCCUPY CATHOLIC VILAGES; + CNN this AM > MILF Rebels are claiming withdrawal will endure unless new talks wid Manila break downm whereupon MILF, etc. will move to reoccupy same.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/13/2008 23:33 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Bomb kills 18 in Tripoli
Posted by: lotp || 08/13/2008 12:52 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


18 killed, 40 wounded in Tripoli bus bombing
A bomb exploded adjacent to a bus carrying civilians and members of the military during Wednesday morning rush hour in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, killing at least 18 people and wounding at least 40, security officials said. The dead included 10 off-duty soldiers.

The bomb was planted on the side of a main street and went off as the bus passed by. The streets were filled with people heading to work, which contributed to the many casualties, the officials said. The military had no immediate comment. The security officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

The blast raised suspicions that al-Qaida-inspired Islamic militants may have sought revenge on the military for clashes last year at a nearby Palestinian refugee camp. But some local media speculated it may be aimed at undermining a visit later Wednesday by the Lebanese president to Syria to patch up stormy relations between the neighbors.

Information Minister Tarek Mitri described the incident as a big terrorist explosion but would not speculate on who was behind it. "The hands of the criminals have hit in Tripoli against innocent soldiers and civilians," he told reporters in Beirut. "Once again, they want our country to be an arena for settling scores and battling for influence."

Shattered glass could be seen in the Banks Street in Tripoli's center. Witnesses said fire engines and ambulances had rushed to the scene, while soldiers and policemen cordoned off the area to keep onlookers away and to investigate. The small public bus, which had been bringing passengers from the remote northernmost Akkar region, home to many military members, was riddled with shrapnel from the blast. Soldiers used sniffer dogs to search nearby parked car, as forensic experts in white uniforms, face masks and gloves sifted through the wreckage of the bus picking up evidence.

Tripoli, 90 kilometers (53 miles) north of Beirut, is Lebanon's second-largest city with a mostly Sunni Muslim population, dominated by groups loyal to the Western-backed parliament majority. It has witnessed sectarian clashes between Sunni fighters and followers of the Alawite sect, an offshoot Shiite sect, in the past weeks that killed and wounded dozens of people. The city is also close to the Palestinian refugee camp of Nahr el-Bared, which experienced deadly clashes in 2007 between Lebanese troops and members of the al-Qaida-inspired Fatah Islam group that left hundreds dead before the militants were defeated. During that fighting, the militants also were flushed out of the city.

Fatah Islam group has claimed responsibility for a bomb blast that killed a soldier in Abdeh near Tripoli on May 31.

Former Prime Minister Omar Karami - a prominent politician from Tripoli - said it is too early to speculate on the motive behind the explosion, but added that the high casualties among soldiers could mean the military was targeted and could be related to the 2007 Nahr el-Bared violence.

The latest violence comes at an especially sensitive time for Lebanon. On Tuesday, after a five-day debate and weeks of negotiations that preceded it, the parliament approved a national unity government that gives the Iranian-backed Hezbollah opposition a more powerful say in the running of the country, including veto power over major decisions.

The explosion also comes as President Michel Suleiman is expected on a landmark visit in neighboring Syria - the first visit by a Lebanese president in about three years. Ties have deteriorated since Syrian troops withdrew from Lebanon under international pressure in the wake of the Hariri assassination. Hariri's supporters blame Syria for the killing, while Damascus denies involvement.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/13/2008 09:04 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:


US imposes sanctions on five Iranian groups
The United States Treasury on Tuesday said it had imposed sanctions against five more Iranian entities, which it claimed have provided support or materials to Iran's nuclear and missile programmes. The Treasury said the entities, designated as weapons of mass destruction proliferators, are controlled by or acting on behalf of previously blacklisted Iranian entities responsible for uranium enrichment, nuclear development work and ballistic missile programmes. Added to the Treasury's sanctions list was the Nuclear Research Centre for Agriculture and Medicine at Karaj, the Eshfahan Nuclear Fuel Research and Production Centre, Jabber Ibn Hayan, Safety Equipment Procurement Co and Joza Industrial Co. The move bans Americans from doing business with these entities and freezes any assets they may have under US jurisdiction.
Posted by: Fred || 08/13/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  We can also think of those companies as targets for air strikes. Rafsanjani's companies would be so treated.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/13/2008 6:01 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm thinking 2,000# sanction through the roof.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/13/2008 18:19 Comments || Top||

#3  "When I hear the word 'sanctions', I release the safety catch on my gun."
Posted by: borgboy || 08/13/2008 19:10 Comments || Top||



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