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Report: German government is delaying delivery of subs to Israel
This seems to confirm earlier reports.
Below is a translation based on Google:

In order to advance the peace process in the Middle East, the (German) federal government is apparently delaying the delivery of submarines to Israel.

This is being reported by the Frankfurter Rundschau. According to these reports Merkel has already informed the representatives of all parliamentary groups. There will be no delivery before negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians resume.
Taiwan builds subs. Just sayin'...
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Posted by: Jeamble Cloth6461 || 10/29/2011 10:42 || Comments || Link || [11135 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Whatsa matter: can't deliver it on time, or the Chinese offered you more money for it?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/29/2011 12:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Just for clarification, the delay is supposed to pressure Israel to start negotiations.
Should the subs be ready for delivery before the talks restart they won't be turned over to Israel. There's nothing in the report about even pretend technical delays.
Posted by: Jeamble Cloth6461 || 10/29/2011 12:24 Comments || Top||

#3  The New Germany.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/29/2011 13:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Israel should make Greece an offer for the German subs they have that they can't pay for.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 10/29/2011 14:33 Comments || Top||

#5  And Dr. Steve: I don't think Taiwan can build subs; that's something they're having trouble getting.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 10/29/2011 14:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Who does this leave as alternative suppliers? The Scandahoovians, as I understand it, make nice little AIP boats, but I would lump them in with the rest of the euro anti-israel crowd. We don't have anything to sell them. India?
Posted by: SteveS || 10/29/2011 14:54 Comments || Top||

#7  All U-Boots delivered to Israel were highly subsidized.
The first delivered were actually a present, for the next ones Israel only paid on third of the construction price and the last in question is also heavily subsidized.

I doubt that Taiwan will be that generous.

Of course the last boat will be delivered as well. Contracts are contracts.

It's just that the paint hasn't dried yet in the wet autumn weather.
Posted by: European Conservative || 10/29/2011 15:35 Comments || Top||

#8  Hmm, thought Taiwan did. Thanks for the correction.

The Greeks might want to keep their subs since their neighbors to the east are getting a little flighty. But no reason they couldn't share a couple with the Israelis. You know, joint 'training'...
Posted by: Steve White || 10/29/2011 16:03 Comments || Top||

#9  So either the Frankfurter Rundschau reporter's source or the FR reporter is blowing smoke, European Conservative? Why don't they just say so?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/29/2011 16:04 Comments || Top||

#10  Or perhaps European Conservative is noting that in this case paint may take months or years to dry.
Posted by: lotp || 10/29/2011 17:02 Comments || Top||


Silence on human rights...the price Europe must pay for China's billions
He who pays the piper calls the tune or is it "beggars can't be choosers."
As EU officials flew to Beijing to beg for financial help last night, Brussels was accused of allowing China to ‘buy Europe’s silence’ over its appalling human rights record.

Campaigners spoke out after the head of Europe’s bailout fund arrived in the Chinese capital to discuss the terms on which the hardline regime might agree to inject billions into the struggling eurozone countries.

Campaigners fear EU negotiators will cave in to Chinese demands to tone down criticism of the regime’s human rights record.

Experts believe Beijing will also press for the lifting of a long-standing Western arms embargo and demand preferential trade terms.

Tim Hancock, campaigns director at Amnesty International, warned there was a real danger that Beijing would exploit Europe’s weakness for its own ends.

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Posted by: tipper || 10/29/2011 10:08 || Comments || Link || [11130 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He who pays the piper calls the tune or is it "beggars can't be choosers."

Not really. We spent billions for their defense for generations which didn't stop the criticism or denunciation of American society or activities. It's not really that deep in the 'memory hole' of Euro politicians playing to the domestic crowds marching in the streets for favor by 'playing the game'.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 10/29/2011 10:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Never mind the silence on human rights---like Chinese worry about Europe's barking at present. Chinese access to Europe tech is what worries me.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/29/2011 11:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Ha. The right's military welfare state worked as well as the lefts welfare state.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/29/2011 11:25 Comments || Top||

#4  China getting their hands on officially approved modern weapons will be really scary. China's short-term goal is to force the US Navy out of what China considers its area of influence. European weapons will help greatly.
Posted by: gromky || 10/29/2011 12:24 Comments || Top||



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