Hi there, !
Today Tue 11/08/2011 Mon 11/07/2011 Sun 11/06/2011 Sun 11/06/2011 Sat 11/05/2011 Fri 11/04/2011 Thu 11/03/2011 Archives
Rantburg Europe
558269 articles and 1925575 comments are archived on Rantburg.

Today: 57 articles and 183 comments as of 11:42.
Post a news link    Post your own article   
Area: WoT Operations    WoT Background    Non-WoT    Opinion       
Suicide bomber kills six at mosque in Afghanistan
Today's Headlines
Headline Comments [Views]
Page 3: Non-WoT
8 00:00 RandomJD [11136]
0 [11131]
1 00:00 Thing From Snowy Mountain [11129]
Page 4: Opinion
9 00:00 Skidmark [11150]
Europe
Papandreou to Resign
Greece's prime minister George Papandreou will resign today, Pasok party sources have told Sky News. A possible replacement for Mr Papandreou is currently being discussed, the sources have also indicated.

The development comes after the country's opposition leader insisted the PM must go to save the economy.

Antonis Samaras said he was willing to help in the formation of a coalition government - but not until Mr Papandreou had stepped down.

Despite winning a confidence vote in parliament, Mr Papandreou has struggled to form a temporary coalition government to back the controversial EU bailout package. The prime minister had gone into talks with president Karolos Papoulias on how to construct an administration to negotiate the deal to write down Greek debt and release billions in emergency aid.

But sources within Pasok - the socialist party that Mr Papandreou heads - have told Sky News there are only two possible scenarios. The first involves Mr Papandreou stepping down and being replaced by a compromise candidate who is acceptable to both the left and right of the political spectrum.

The second scenario would see Mr Papandreou stepping down and being replaced by someone within Pasok itself - potentially Evangelos Venizelos, the current finance minister, who has been part of the bailout negotiations.

An emergency cabinet meeting will be held this afternoon, when these issues will be discussed.

The country is under pressure from the eurozone's power brokers to implement the bailout package agreed in Brussels on October 27. If the bailout stalls in the Greek parliament, that would hamper the release of money Greece needs to pay salaries, pensions and international creditors.

After the prime minister won a confidence vote in the early hours of Saturday morning, European finance ministers, who meet next week, will want to see progress in Athens.

However the opposition New Democracy party is angry Mr Papandreou decided to tough out his tenure, rather than call snap elections. Its leader, Mr Samaras, said the prime minister was "dangerous" for Greece.

But he and other opposition leaders have already said they would work to implement the bailout deal, so the pressure to join a consensus government is immense.

Greece's shadow finance minister Notis Mitatarakis told Sky News he believes the leader of the country's new interim government did not have to be a politician.

"We need elections because we need a stable government to be able to negotiate the new loan agreement," he said. "However, we realise the need for an interim government in order to conclude the loan agreement [and] the restructuring of the Greek debt.

"That would need a person that is mutually accepted, not necessarily a politician - rather, not a politician - to run an interim government and then go to elections."
Continued on Page 47
Posted by: Steve White || 11/06/2011 09:57 || Comments || Link || [11136 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah, that'll fix all their problems.

Especially their spending-money-they-ain't-got problem.
Posted by: Barbara || 11/06/2011 10:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I expect yet another puppet of central banks to take his place.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/06/2011 14:29 Comments || Top||

#3  According to To Vima, it may be Lucas Papademos who gets the nod.
Posted by: tipper || 11/06/2011 14:54 Comments || Top||

#4  He's a real puppet that guy. I hope the Greeks riot him out.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 11/06/2011 15:35 Comments || Top||

#5  #3 Mr Papademos, 65, is a widely respected figure in Greece, with a strong background in both academics and finance

They're finished.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 11/06/2011 18:50 Comments || Top||

#6  It'd never occur to the Greeks to put a businessperson in charge, would it...
Posted by: Steve White || 11/06/2011 19:31 Comments || Top||

#7  "It'd never occur to the Greeks to put a businessperson in charge, would it..."

Apparently we can't either, Steve. :-(
Posted by: Barbara || 11/06/2011 19:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Papademos was a Fed economist, Governor of the Central Bank of Greece, and Vice President of the European Central Bank from 2002 to 2010.

The positions he held and when he held them mean he probably helped Greece weasel its way into the Euro. It will be interesting to see if he now helps Greece weasel out, or screws his countrymen in favor of his central banker friends. It is also possible to do both. What is not possible is to do much good for anyone.

Like being promoted to captain of the Titanic 15 minutes after hitting the iceberg. Poor bastard.
Posted by: RandomJD || 11/06/2011 21:08 Comments || Top||


Greek PM wins vote, to meet president on coalition
[Dawn] Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou survived a vote of confidence in parliament on Saturday, avoiding snap elections that would have torpedoed Greece's debt bailout deal and inflamed the euro zone's economic crisis.

But the nation remained mired in political, economic and social turmoil and Papandreou signalled he would stand down, calling for a new coalition to ram the 130-billion-euro bailout deal through parliament and avoid the nation going bankrupt.

Papandreou's socialist government won with 153 votes in the 300 member parliament, and a rebellion by some dissidents in his PASOK party failed to materialise after he indicated that his term as prime minister was close to an end.

"The last thing I care about is my post. I don't care even if I am not re-elected. The time has come to make a new effort...I never thought of politics as a profession," he told parliament before the vote.

Papandreou said a coalition government should secure the approval of the EU/IMF bailout deal, the nation's last financial lifeline, which is also the euro zone's central plank to prevent economic crisis devastating the bloc's bigger economies.

The leaders of La Belle France and Germany told Papandreou this week that Greece would not get a cent more of aid if Greece failed to approve the bailout, meaning that the state would run out of money in December.

Papandreou told parliament that he would go to the Greek president on Saturday to discuss formation of a broader-based government that would secure the bailout, adding that he was willing to discuss who would head a new administration.
Continued on Page 47
Posted by: Fred || 11/06/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11131 views] Top|| File under:


Thousands demonstrate against Berlusconi
[Dawn] Tens of thousands of opposition activists have demonstrated in central Rome for Premier Silvio Berlusconi's
...current Italian prime minister, known for his plain (for a European politician) speaking and his liking for hookers a third his age or less...
ouster.

Democratic Party leader Pierluigi Bersani told the crowd that his party was prepared to work with other opposition groups to lead a new government.

Berlusconi's grip on power has been weakened by the ongoing sovereign debt crisis and infighting in his coalition that has prevented clear measures.

Italia's borrowing costs to service its enormous public debt at 120 per cent of GDP have been rising since the summer.

The protesters, who arrived on buses and trains from throughout Italia, were joined by center-left politicians from La Belle France and Germany, as well as a group of topless female demonstrators from Ukraine known as Femen.
Continued on Page 47
Posted by: Fred || 11/06/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11129 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thousands demonstrate against Berlusconi

His sexual harrasment victims?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 11/06/2011 10:52 Comments || Top||


Integration of Muslims
[Dawn] SO far, so predictable. The fire-bombing of the offices of a French satirical weekly after it printed a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad (PTUI!) has, once again, led to dire warnings that European Moslems are determined to destroy western civilisation, curb the fundamental right to free speech and impose the Sharia across the continent.
Could have something to do with their propensity as a group to act uncivilized, to use gangster methods to suppress free speech, and to demand Sharia everywhere they go.
French politicians have been unanimous in defending freedom of speech and said perpetrators of the crime will be punished. French Moslems have been equally vocal in denouncing the attack -- but also clearly angry at what they view as yet another attempt to insult Islam and Moslems.
So they, as usual, "condemn the attack but understand the reaction of the Mooselimb in the rue." To understand all is to forgive all, as they say, so how can they be blamed for condoning acts of violence? After all, it's for their religion.
The head of the Gay Paree Mosque, Dalil Boubakeur, told a news conference on Thursday: "I am extremely attached to freedom of the press, even if the press is not always tender with Moslems, Islam or the Gay Paree Mosque. French Moslems have nothing to do with political Islam."
"Really. Trust me on that."
The weekly Charlie Hebdo has defended "the freedom to poke fun" and despite the attack,
The very concept of "fun" is un-Islamic. I'm not convinced any publication in Pakistain has ever carried a picture of a person laughing. If they have it's doubtful that person was wearing a turban. Ponder the significance of that.
its four-page supplement has gone on sale, wrapped around copies of the left-wing French daily, Libération. The incident has unpleasant echoes of the controversy triggered by the publication of caricatures of the Prophet in a Danish newspaper in 2005.
Unpleasantly predictable, y'might say.
Will Rage Boy go back on the protest march payroll? He used to be able to support a wife and children doing that, but pickings appear to have been slimmer lately, in these difficult times. It looks like it was only a few volunteers for that thing protesting the CIA Predators.
Despite the eurozone crisis, expect the Charlie Hebdo incident to remain on the French landscape for some months to come.
There's no doubt the turban and automatic weapons set will be out there struttin' their stuff.
No doubt.
With French elections set to be held next summer, politicians, especially from the increasingly popular far-right parties, will probably keep stoking the fires of xenophobic sentiment.
And there will be plenty of xenophobic Muslims stoking right back at them, except when they get their responses in preemptively. The humiliation sellers will be busy as we head into the Christmas season.
Mainstream politicians, seeking to win over votes from the bad boys, are likely to follow on the heels of French President Nicolas Sarkozy
...23rd and current President of the French Republic and ex officio Co-Prince of Andorra. Sarkozy is married to singer-songwriter Carla Bruni, who has a really nice birthday suit...
by maintaining a steady flow of criticism of multiculturalism.
You'd think the way to combat that would be to make a few cogent and convincing arguments in favor of multiculturalism, but if you can't come up with any then it's more likely you'll just riot. It doesn't take as much brain power.
And La Belle France's six to seven million Moslems -- the largest number of Moslems in a European country -- will have to deal with a constant barrage of accusations that they are inherently 'un-European and un-French' and will never become trusted and true French citizens.
That'll likely touch off another spate of carbecues...
Honestly, it's not that hard to demonstrate Frenchness. Learn to speak the language well enough to demonstrate that you're trying. Wear the local clothing when you are out and about, and keep those comfortable things from home for when you're at home. Encourage your womenfolk to dress in a modest version of French styles -- for instance a longish skirt with boots, a turtleneck and a boxy blazer or a long cardigan, with a pretty scarf tied round the head, et voila'! And the multiple wives on welfare -- Frenchmen support their mistresses out of pocket, or they don't have them. Mohammed supported all his wives, too, so stop slacking.
Yeah, but there's a problem there, and maybe nowhere quite as pronounced as in La Belle France. Moslems are ashamed of their women. It's a man's religion, a man's culture, and women are to be hidden away -- they're necessary for breeding, and they can cook and clean, but otherwise they're useless. The Frenchies, on the other hand, are convinced -- sometimes with justification -- that their women are gorgeous, perhaps the most gorgeous in the world. They like to show them off and French women like to show off. Gotta admit it's pretty hard to integrate the Moslem square peg into that round hole. On the other hand, the Moslem colonists did know how the Frenchies were before they left Olde Algiers, didn't they?
Is it possible to break this predictable, toxic and tedious cycle of recrimination and counter-recrimination, accusation and counter-accusation?
You could try not rioting sometime, but that'd just give the infidels the mistaken impression they can do as they please in what used to be their own country.
At first glance, the answer appears to be negative.
The riots are too deeply ingrained in the colonists' culture.
After all, Moslems are already in the dock in La Belle France and many other European countries for their apparent failure to integrate. Late last month, a French court nullified the construction permit for a mosque in the southern city of Marseille,
Something about refusing to provide any architectural plans as I recall...
home to the largest Moslem community in La Belle France.
By the way, what's the permitting procedure to get a new church built in Algiers? We know what it is to get one built in Mecca.
The Administrative Tribunal of Marseille ruled on Oct 27 that the mosque project would have to be cancelled because of failures to meet urban planning requirements. La Belle France, along with Belgium, has banned the burka although the garment is worn by a very small minority of Moslem women.
Now the minority will be even smaller, won't it?
French -- and European -- concerns about Moslems in their midst have been aggravated by the success of the Islamist party in the recent Tunisian elections, the rising popularity of the Moslem Brüderbund in Egypt and Islamic trends within the new Libyan government.
The Voice of Sweet Reason hasn't exactly been drowning out the babble of savagery, has it?
Charlie Hebdo, known for its irreverent, harsh satire and mocking treatment of establishment and religious figures,
... whatcha might call a fairly equal-opportunity offender...
published the special edition in the wake of the victory of the Islamists in Tunisia. "For many French Moslems, religion has become a cultural identity, a refuge in a troubled society where they don't feel accepted," French journalist Pierre Haski wrote in the Guardian.
... the lack of acceptance having something to do with the religion...
"And when a satirical magazine makes fun of Islam the way it would make fun of any other issue, French Moslems don't laugh.
They never laugh, do they? I think I pointed that out earlier, didn't I?
Most of them are silently angry or indifferent, but a minority feels empowered to resort to violence. A disturbing reminder of the underground tensions in society," Haski said.
I don't follow the logic there. Why would they "feel empowered" to resort to violence? Where's the power come from? In civilized countries the citizen doesn't get "empowered" to firebomb anybody. So if it doesn't come from the law, and it doesn't come from culture, then it has to come from religion and from the foreign culture that the religion's anchored in.
It is important to note, however, that so far, no one has grabbed credit for the Charlie Hebdo attack. Luz, the cartoonist who drew the cover cartoon at the centre of the controversy, has said it is still unclear just who was behind the fire-bombing.
Oh, well then. It could just as likely be Huguenots, still seething over the way they were treated. Or maybe it was itinerant Moriscos. Could even be Amish, assuming trans-Atlantic buggy travel. They've been shown to be a vicious bunch, cutting each other's beards off and such. It's a small step from that to firebombing French publications.
"Let's be cautious. There's every reason to believe it's the work of fundamentalists but it could just as well be the work of two drunks," he warned.
Miss Piggy once pointed out that all the evidence wasn't in yet as to whether a pound of cabbage was more fattening than a pound of chocolate mousse, so she was going to continue eating the mousse, thank you.
Are European Moslems condemned to live their lives on the defensive, their loyalty and citizenship in constant doubt because of the criminal acts of a small minority who dominate the national conversation about Islam?
If they're a small minority then somebody should slap them down. But since they're a small, violent minority nobody does.
Or can Europe and its Moslems develop a fresh narrative of acceptance, integration and inclusion?
I doubt it. Based on empirical observation, as the Moslem population grows, so also grows the level of violence directed at non-Moslems. At some point the Moslems decide to kill as many of the infidels as they can and treat the remainder like they were garbage. There effectively aren't any non-Moslems on the Arabian peninsula. In Egypt the Egyptian-speaking non-Moslem 10 percent of the population is systematically oppressed and excluded from public life, their women kidnapped, raped, and forcibly converted to the Master Religion. They can see that from Europe, you know.
In fact, the true story of Europe's Moslems is much more heartening and upbeat than either side in the debate is ready to admit.
Tell us about the true story in Egypt, too. I'm sure that's more heartening than anybody's ready to admit. And tell us about the Assyrian and Chaldean Christians in Iraq. How've they been doing? And what's the schedule for mass at Hagia Sophia? Is the early service still at 6 a.m. every Sunday?
Attacks such as the one on Charlie Hebdo may make the headlines, stirring trouble for the silent and law-abiding majority of Moslems who are happy to call Europe home. But fortunately such incidents are not the norm.
They are, actually. Just not a daily occurrence, but even in Egypt and Pakistan such things are not a daily occurrence, merely a fact of life. How many European and British politicians now need bodyguards because of Muslim threats?
European Moslems are making headway in politics, business and culture. They are breaking stereotypes and clichés -- and emerging as full-fledged European citizens, ready to demand their rights but also fulfil their duties and obligations.
The ghost of Merwig is nodding contentedly. He can remember when he and his Franks were emerging as full-fledged Roman citizens, ready to demand their rights, but also ready to fulfill their duties and obligations.
It is true that efforts to ensure a better integration of European Moslems are complicated by Europe's own uncertainty about what it means to be 'European', the struggle between religion and secular beliefs and Europe's unease about its economic future, including fears about the impact of globalisation on European jobs. In such an environment, there is suspicion and unease about 'foreigners' -- Moslems, yes, but also Chinese, Indians and Russians. Europe needs the talent and abilities of all its citizens and of immigrants to climb out of the current economic downturn. And ordinary European Moslems just want to get on with their daily lives without being held to account for the lunatic and criminal acts of a small minority -- or perhaps of just one man.
Continued on Page 47
Posted by: Fred || 11/06/2011 00:00 || Comments || Link || [11150 views] Top|| File under:

#1  well played, sir!
Posted by: Mikey Hunt || 11/06/2011 1:06 Comments || Top||

#2  ordinary European Moslems just want to get on with their daily lives without being held to account for the lunatic and criminal acts of a small minority -- or perhaps of just one man

Words fail.
Posted by: gr(o)mgoru || 11/06/2011 3:08 Comments || Top||

#3  That's what they do in Paleostine, and look how peaceful that is...
Posted by: Fred || 11/06/2011 8:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm not convinced any publication in Pakistain has ever carried a picture of a person laughing.

I remember seeing them. I believe it was in the Sept 12, 2001 editions of the local papers.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 11/06/2011 10:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Something about refusing to provide any architectural plans as I recall

Who needs plans? The mosque will rise, inshallah, and will stay up if God wills it. Support beams? We don't need no stinking support beams!
Posted by: Frozen Al || 11/06/2011 13:05 Comments || Top||

#6  May I you refer you all back to this:

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/Islam_is_not_a_religion.shtml

In plain numbers, please.

Posted by: Rhodesiafever || 11/06/2011 16:23 Comments || Top||

#7  As for the real monitoring site as displayed on the carbecues picture, go here.
Posted by: newc || 11/06/2011 17:13 Comments || Top||

#8  Muslims CANNOT integrate. They are in the West for the purpose of seeking converts or sending money back to their homeland cess pool, if not for jihad.
Posted by: Jack Phuting9685 || 11/06/2011 19:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Now THAT, newc, is worth keeping.
Posted by: Skidmark || 11/06/2011 19:42 Comments || Top||



Who's in the News
43[untagged]
6Govt of Pakistan
2Govt of Syria
1al-Shabaab
1Commies
1Govt of Sudan
1Islamic Jihad
1al-Qaeda in Arabia
1al-Qaeda in Pakistan

Bookmark
E-Mail Me

The Classics
The O Club
Rantburg Store
The Bloids
The Never-ending Story
Thugburg
Gulf War I
The Way We Were
Bio

Merry-Go-Blog











On Sale now!


A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.

Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.

Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has dominated Mexico for six years.
Click here for more information

Meet the Mods
In no particular order...
Steve White
Seafarious
tu3031
badanov
sherry
ryuge
GolfBravoUSMC
Bright Pebbles
trailing wife
Gloria
Fred
Besoeker
Glenmore
Frank G
3dc
Skidmark

Two weeks of WOT
Sun 2011-11-06
  Suicide bomber kills six at mosque in Afghanistan
Sat 2011-11-05
  65 dead in Islamist raid on Nigerian town
Fri 2011-11-04
  Al-Shabaab militants fall back to defend Kismayu
Thu 2011-11-03
  Syrian tank fire kills two in Homs despite deal
Wed 2011-11-02
  Viktor Bout found guilty by NY NY court!
Tue 2011-11-01
  Unesco gives Palestinians full membership, U.S. pulls funding
Mon 2011-10-31
  Egypt brokers another truce to halt Gaza fighting
Sun 2011-10-30
  Saudi Court Jails 'al-Qaida Lady' for 15 Years
Sat 2011-10-29
  13 American troops killed in Kabul suicide car bomb attack
Fri 2011-10-28
  13 More Drone-zapped in South Wazoo
Thu 2011-10-27
  Drone strike 'kills five Taliban commanders' in South Waziristan
Wed 2011-10-26
  15 Dead as Yemen Truce Fails
Tue 2011-10-25
  U.S. pulls out envoy to Syria
Mon 2011-10-24
  Interior Minister escapes suicide kaboom on trip to Panjshir
Sun 2011-10-23
  Libyan Leader Declares Nation Islamic, Sharia Law to be Implemented


Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
216.73.216.54
Help keep the Burg running! Paypal:
WoT Operations (18)    WoT Background (19)    Non-WoT (11)    Opinion (7)    (0)