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Afghanistan
Canadian troops move into Helmand
Canadian troops are rolling into Helmand province in southern Afghanistan as part of NATO's push to eliminate the Taliban in the area. The alliance is calling the action Operation Silver. Troops of the Royal Canadian Regiment battle group are moving west to support British and Afghan units fighting insurgents in the Sangin Valley.

Maj. Alex Ruff, commander of the Canadian armoured task force, says his troops are being held in reserve. So far, there are no plans for the Canadians to be rushed into combat.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6476 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You found a goal, Bless you Canada.
Posted by: newc || 04/06/2007 1:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Helmond is the drug capitol of the world. The Taleban has been raking off 10% of proceeds for a decade. Typical Pakistan Muslim hypocrisy: they toss human bombs at troops who are trying to end the drug trade that has caused 2 million Pakistanis to be addicted to heroin. Unfortunately, members of the Kharzai government profit directly from drug dealing. Last year Kharzai himself ask for restraint in targeting civilian areas.
Posted by: Sneaze || 04/06/2007 5:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Tally ho!
Posted by: Excalibur || 04/06/2007 18:56 Comments || Top||


Two killed in Afghanistan violence
KHOST, Afghanistan - Taleban rebels shot dead an Afghan interpreter, a policeman was killed in a bomb blast and 10 others were injured Thursday in the latest incidents of violence in Afghanistan, officials said.

The interpreter working with NATO-led troops was killed and his three colleagues were injured when unknown attackers fired at their vehicle outside the eastern city of Khost, provincial official Badi-ul Zaman Sabaraia said. Sabaraia blamed the attack — which happened while they were on their way to work and did not involve NATO forces — on Taleban remnants. “The enemies attacked these innocent translators. One of them was killed and three others were injured,” he told AFP.

A doctor in the city’s hospital said three injured men were admitted to his hospital and a body was also brought there.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6475 views] Top|| File under:

#1  French Canadian bean soup
Posted by: Shipman || 04/06/2007 4:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Too esoteric, Ship.

Like "The kid came at me..."
Posted by: mojo || 04/06/2007 16:11 Comments || Top||


Africa North
Algeria detains 120 suspected Iraq fighters
Algerian authorities are holding 120 men on suspicion of involvement in the insurgency in Iraq, a newspaper reported on Thursday. Top-selling El Khabar said most of those in custody belonged to the al Qaeda organisation in the Islamic Maghreb, a group of Algerian Islamist insurgents that has carried out bomb attacks on police and Western expatriates in Algeria in recent months.

Citing judicial sources, the daily said the 120 Algerians were variously suspected of having fought in Iraq, planning to travel to Iraq to take part in the conflict there or of recruiting Algerians to participate in the conflict. The 120, aged between 18 and 30, face charges including "membership of a terrorist group and belonging to a terrorist group operating at home and abroad", the daily said. They are due to go on trial later this year, it said.

Some of the detainees had travelled to Iraq by way of Syria, the newspaper said. The United States has repeatedly accused Syria of not doing enough to prevent foreign fighters crossing its borders to reach Iraq. Syria denies the allegation. The Islamic Maghreb, previously known as the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), adopted the new name in January to deepen ties to al Qaeda.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Comin' in through Syria ya say? I thought Nancy was on top of this.
Posted by: Captain America || 04/06/2007 4:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Cap, please don't use the words "Nancy" and "on top" in the same sentence this early in the morning. THank you.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2007 7:22 Comments || Top||

#3  unless the sentence is "The bus came to a rest on top of Nancy"
Posted by: Abu do you love || 04/06/2007 8:07 Comments || Top||

#4  How about "Nancy Pelosi became the second Saint Pancake When the D-9 Came to rest atop her"

Will that help your mood this morning? Makes me feel better.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 04/06/2007 12:10 Comments || Top||

#5  RJ - I'd feel even better if she was in the company of Pencil-neck, and both bit the dust at the same time...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/06/2007 12:26 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Al Qaida suspect killed in Saudi
Riyadh: Saudi Arabi said it has killed a suspect linked to Al Qaida who was involved in the killing of four Frenchmen, the official news agency SPA reported on Friday. It said the suspect, Waleed Bin Mutliq Al Radadi, was killed when police stormed a residential building in the city of Medina, one of Islam's holiest sites.

Four French nationals were killed by gunmen on February 26 in the Arab country during a desert trip. There was no claim for the attack. A policeman was also killed and two others wounded after an exchange of gunfire with the suspect, SPA said. Radadi was number six on the 15 most-wanted list issued by Saudi Arabia in 2005.

A Dubai-based Saudi security analyst said, "He was hiding for so long, and now they got him. The killing of Al Radadi is very significant, his links to Al Qaida made him a major target."
This article starring:
WALID BIN MUTLIQ AL RADADIal-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2007 08:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Must really suck to have the middle name of 'Mutt Lick.' (unless that is short for 'Mutton Licker')
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 04/06/2007 14:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah, but he won't have to worry about that anymore...
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2007 14:27 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Rab captures 7 militants
Rapid Action Battalion (Rab) personnel arrested seven members of a newly discovered "militant" organisation named Hijbe Abu Omar (HAO) after raiding different places in and outside the capital since March 29. Rab claimed that founding member of the banned militant organisation Harkatul Jihad Al Islami Maulana Abdur Rouf is the chief of this organisation.

The elite force also seized three firearms and ammunition from the caretaker of a madrasa in Bhaluka, Mymensingh on April 2 and explosives and grenade making materials from the imam of a mosque in Barisal yesterday.

While tracking a kidnapping incident recently, Rab-2 arrested HAO member Mahadi Hasan alias Kwafi at the city's Badda area on March 29. Kwafi confessed about his involvement with the underground organisation, Rab officials claimed. He also told Rab personnel that they used to stage fake kidnaps of the members of the organisation to realise money from their parents in order to fund the organisation. Following Kafi's statement, the law enforcers arrested Abu Yusuf alias Sagar alias Shourav and Nazmul Haque from different places in the capital.

Acting on information extracted from the three detainees, Rab, with the aid of local police, recovered two revolvers, a one-shooter gun and 10 bullets from Mohammad Bayezid, caretaker of Nurul Ulum Jamia Madrasa, in Bhaluka. Their information also led to the seizure of explosives and other materials, enough to manufacture four homemade grenades, from Akramuzzaman, imam of Sardabari mosque at Shaestabad, in Barisal city yesterday.

On further interrogation, one of the three arrestees Yusuf, disclosed the names of 20 leaders and activists of HAO including its chief Maulana Abdur Rouf and three Majlish-e-Shura (highest policy making body) members. Following Yusuf's information, Rab later arrested four people--two Majlish-e-Shura members Harun and Mustafa and two activists Mahbub and Mamun. Yusuf is accused in twelve cases filed in connection with the August 17, 2005 countrywide orchestrated bomb attacks while Kwafi is accused in an arms case filed with Barisal Police Station on February 20.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6480 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Drat! no crossfire.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 04/06/2007 8:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Assuming that a "one-shooter gun" is similar to a homemade zip-gun.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 04/06/2007 10:37 Comments || Top||

#3  They run outta Commies to hunt down?
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2007 10:41 Comments || Top||

#4  But the lack of details detailing the 'extraction of information' method lets one's imagination run wild. Visions of the number 7 vice grips and cordless Black and Decker run through my head.......
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 04/06/2007 11:26 Comments || Top||

#5  I think it's that they're allowed to do Islamists, too, now, and they have to work their way through the backlog.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 11:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Only Commies get the "crossfire" treatment.
Posted by: Jackal || 04/06/2007 23:27 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Kadyrov Takes Control in Chechnya
Ramzan Kadyrov was sworn in as president of Chechnya on Thursday in a star-studded ceremony here. Kristina Orbakaite and Nikolai Baskov were among the celebrities in attendance at the lavish inauguration, and rumors were rife that Patricia Kaas, Shakira and Beyonce would fly in for a concert Thursday evening. The inauguration committee said, however, that no foreign stars would take part in the concert.

Wearing his Hero of Russia medal, Kadyrov placed his hand on a copy of the Chechen Constitution and was sworn in during a brief ceremony. Dmitry Kozak, the presidential envoy to the Southern Federal District, presented him with an official identity card. "When a new leader comes along, all hopes are placed on him. I hope you fulfill those desires," President Vladimir Putin said in a message read by Kozak. "You have to continue the work of reviving Chechnya."
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under:


Great White North
Top court won’t hear alleged terrorist’s appeal
OTTAWA — The Supreme Court of Canada has rejected a last appeal to quash terrorism charges against Momin Khawaja. The Thursday decision is a victory for the federal government, as well as the RCMP and Canada’s spy agency, CSIS, as they move to bring Khawaja to trial in the first case under the new terrorism provisions of the Criminal Code. As is usual in such leave-to-appeal cases, the Supreme Court justices gave no reasons for their decision.

Thursday’s decision comes one day after Khawaja appeared in Federal Court in Ottawa to argue against a law that allows evidence against him to be divulged only in secret. Khawaja has been in an Ottawa jail cell since being arrested by the RCMP in March 2004.

Before his arrest, Khawaja had lived in east-end Ottawa and worked as a computer software operator for the Department of Foreign Affairs. He faces seven charges under new laws which were introduced as part of the 2001 Anti-Terrorism Act. He denies any wrongdoing.

On Wednesday, his lawyer argued that it is impossible for suspects to defend themselves when Canadian law allows government lawyers to meet secretly with judges to decide what evidence should be hidden. A portion of section 38 of the Canada Evidence Act lets government lawyers and judges discuss in private why certain evidence should be withheld from the defence. Lawrence Greenspon argued Wednesday that the process makes it impossible to mount a meaningful defence and is therefore unconstitutional. Government lawyers maintain that disclosing more than 500 documents in the case to the defence could threaten national security as well as agreements with other nations.
Another clear demonstration of the limits of the 'law enforcement' model of fighting terrorism.
Khawaja is scheduled to be tried in May on charges related to his alleged role in a bomb plot against British targets. He was one of nine people taken into custody as part of the British investigation, although his arrest was the only one in Canada. Seven British Muslims who remain in custody in London are accused of conspiring to detonate fertilizer bombs in and around the city in 2004. A London jury is into its third week of deliberations in the case.

Khawaja is formally named as a conspirator in the British case for allegedly making detonating devices at his Ottawa home, although he faces no charges in Britain. On Oct. 24 of last year, an Ontario Superior Court judge struck down a clause of the Anti-terrorism Act related to Khawaja’s case, but said that he should still face trial. Judge Douglas Rutherford and lawyers for both sides in the case have agreed to reconvene April 11 to discuss when Khawaja’s already twice-postponed trial can begin.

Two other legal arguments Khawaja has before the Federal Court of Canada could delay the trial further. However, if the arguments are resolved quickly, the trial could begin May 7 and last up to three months.
This article starring:
Momin Khawaja
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2007 08:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6470 views] Top|| File under:


India-Pakistan
Blast in Hashtnagri
PESHAWAR: A bomb exploded in front of the City Girls College in Hashtnagri police precincts on Thursday, police said. Peshawar Operations SSP Muhammad Iftikhar told Daily Times that the blast occurred at around 7:15pm, but there were no casualties. He said that the blast was part of a series of explosions in the city aimed at scaring citizens. However, AFP reported that two passers-by were injured in the explosion. College guard Mohammad Shoaib said the college administration had earlier received a letter warning that female students must wear scarves. However, no official comments were immediately available.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:

#1  City Girls College?
I'll bet they're...stuck up.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2007 14:10 Comments || Top||


Laj Masjid selects 10 qazis
The administration of Jamia Hafsa on Thursday selected 10 qazis (judges) to issue decrees on various religious issues. “We have appointed 10 religious scholars as qazis to issue decrees on different religious issues in accordance with Islamic injunctions,” Jamia Hafsa principal Maulana Abdul Aziz told Daily Times. He said the establishment of a Shariat court at Lal Masjid and implementation of Shariat would be announced during the ‘Shariat and Glory of Jihad Conference’ on Friday (today). “The students of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa will honour and accept the decisions of the Shariat court,” he said.

“After the establishment of the court, no one, be they rich or poor, will be allowed to run brothels or indulge in un-Islamic activities. If the madrasa administration gets any information about any person indulging in un-Islamic activities, they will be warned through a letter to mend their ways. And if they refuse to heed our letter, the Shariat court will register a case against them and take appropriate action,” said Aziz.

Meanwhile, Ghazi Abdur Rashid, who had gone underground in anticipation of a crackdown on Jamia Hafsa, reappeared in public on Thursday. In a statement, Rashid rejected allegations that the Lal Masjid administration had not allowed Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl to use the stage of Lal Masjid.

He denied that Jamia Hafsa students had threatened traders in Islamabad. “The students visited shops once and asked them not to run such businesses because the sale and purchase of movies and their screening is un-Islamic,” Rashid said.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:


Tribes seek air support in fight against foreigners
The elders of the Ahmedzai Wazir tribe have formally requested the government for air support and supply of weapons against foreign militants, a deputy spokesman for Maulvi Nazir-led militants told Daily Times on Thursday. “Key elders like Malik Saeedullah and Malik Sher Jan met Political Agent Hussainzada Khan in Wana to request for airstrikes on Uzbek strongholds and provision of light weapons,” the deputy spokesman told Daily Times by telephone from Wana.

The request comes 16 days after an anti-Uzbek campaign was launched around Wana. However, military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said the army had received no such request from the tribes so far. “Let the request come and then we will see what action can be taken,” Arshad told Daily Times by telephone from Rawalpindi. He said that at least 240 Uzbek militants had died in clashes with the local tribesmen since fighting started against the foreigners, adding that 60 tribesmen had been killed in the clashes.

Meanwhile, the militant spokesman said that the tribal elders told the political agent that the government should help the tribes in the fight against foreigners. “We badly need helicopters to bomb the strongholds of the Uzbek militants. We also need assault rifles and ammunition,” the spokesman quoted the elders as saying to the government official. The militants’ spokesman said that Wana bazaar has been closed for the recruitment of volunteers and public transport has been impounded to deny safe passage to the foreigners.
Posted by: Fred || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6470 views] Top|| File under:

#1  2fer
Posted by: Captain America || 04/06/2007 4:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Ugh. Aren't these guys basically Taliban engaged in a gang war with the local Uzbek Islamist mafiya? If the Pakis support them, it'll be a really, really bad sign that Perv's sliding into a defacto alliance with elements of al Queda, won't it?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 04/06/2007 9:03 Comments || Top||

#3  they seem too be killing them pretty steadily without air support . Like the comment before if they arm them where do you think those weapons will be used next? my guess is afghanistan.
Posted by: sinse || 04/06/2007 10:28 Comments || Top||


Iraq
12 Killed in Bomb / Chlorine Attack
Here's our version of the earlier story from APTwelve Iraqi civilians were killed and 43 were injured including one policeman after a suicide truck bomber detonated a vehicle suspected of containing chlorine in western Ramadi at approximately 11 a.m. today.

The attack occurred when a white truck approached an Iraqi Police checkpoint in the Ta’meem district of Ramadi at a high rate of speed. The police standing guard attempted to signal the driver, but he did not stop, forcing the officers to engage the vehicle with small arms fire. It is unclear whether the police gunfire caused the vehicle to explode or if the driver detonated it.

Coalition Forces arrived after the explosion to assist in the medical evacuation and set up security around the blast site. The injured were evacuated to a local hospital as well as Coalition medical facility for initial treatment. Urgent casualties were further evacuated to a larger military facility for more extensive care.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/06/2007 19:58 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6517 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It was an American officer who said that pound for pound, you can kill more people with high explosives than you can with chemical weapons. I don't understand what the heck these guys are doing, but it's just nuts. You get a lot more political flak for using chemical weapons, but actually kill less people. You gotta conclude that the quality of the jihadist leadership is spiraling downwards.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/06/2007 20:45 Comments || Top||

#2  You get a lot more political flak for using chemical weapons, but actually kill less people

perhaps they understand the bias and competence level of our Media better than we expect (or do, our selves?)? They know they'll never be called on it by the MSM and talking heads
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 20:54 Comments || Top||

#3  > I don't understand what the heck these guys are doing ...

They are counting on 1) the terrorizing effect of chemical weapons, and that 2) the liberal Western press will ignore Jihadi war crimes.
Posted by: DMFD || 04/06/2007 20:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Now the rantburg is loose lips.
Posted by: newc || 04/06/2007 22:26 Comments || Top||


Dupe entry: ITM Reports on Current Activities in Iraq
Some of the items in today's posting of a really embedded reporter (Omar Fadhil).

In the west, particularly in Anbar, the Anbar Awakening Council announced the capture of what appears to be an intelligence treasure. This is what sheik Hameed al-Hayis, a member of the Council told al-Sabah yesterday:

"We captured so many of their document and these contain the names of al-Qaeda groups in the province, the letters that were exchanged among those groups, the surveillance reports they were filing to their Emirs about civilian people of Ramadi like clerics and college students as well as details of trials [and executions] to which innocents were subjected."

No wonder al-Qaeda is sending more of their suicide bombers to murder the people of Anbar; a friend of mine who visited the area just two days ago said he saw a crowd of young men near an ISF recruiting center that was "larger than anything else I had seen in Baghdad"

In Diwaniya, the mid-south city to which many Mehdi army militiamen and commanders escaped from the Baghdad operation, Iraqi and US forces are clashing with elements of the Mehdi army.
The reports we're getting show that 5 were killed and 15 others were injured in the fighting so far.
Al-Arabiya TV reported that the joint force has secured at least two sectors of the city and has also found 2 bomb factories during the ongoing house to house search operations.

Posted by: Glenmore || 04/06/2007 14:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:


Tension rises between Qaeda and insurgents in Iraq
BAGHDAD, April 6 (Reuters) - An influential Sunni Arab insurgent group has called on al Qaeda in Iraq to "review" its behaviour in what is evidence of a growing rift between home- grown insurgents and al Qaeda. The Islamic Army in Iraq, believed to be the largest group of former Baathists and military officers fighting Iraqi and U.S. forces, said it had dealt with al Qaeda militants with "patience and wisdom" to keep a united "resistance front".

"But this was not fruitful," the group said in a statement obtained by Reuters, the first public criticism from the Islamic Army, which is believed to have been operating under the umbrella of Sunni Islamist al Qaeda in Iraq. "Killing Sunnis has become a legitimate target for them, especially rich ones. Either they pay them what they want or they kill them," the statement said. "They would kill any critic or whoever tries to show them their mistakes. Assaulting people's homes became permitted and calling people infidels also became popular."

The growing tension coincides with a struggle for power between al Qaeda and traditionally minded Sunni tribal leaders who are angered by al Qaeda in Iraq's indiscriminate killing of civilians and severe interpretation of Sunni Islam. Al Qaeda in Iraq wields wide influence in several western and central provinces, particularly in the vast Anbar region that stretches to Syria.

Iraq's government has repeatedly said it was holding talks with Sunni Arab insurgent groups, but never given specific details. Iraqi officials have said such talks, believed to be preliminary, were aimed at building a front against al Qaeda. Sunni Arab officials have also urged what they call "the real resistance" to disavow al Qaeda-linked attacks and engage in talks with the government to end violence which turned sectarian and has driven the country closer to all-out civil war.

The Islamic Army in Iraq said that unlike al Qaeda, it believed it was "legitimate" to negotiate with the enemy, while adding it had never talked to the Americans. "Until this minute we haven't talked to any enemy, neither the Americans or the Safavids or others," the statement said, referring to Iraq's Shi'ite political establishment, which leads a national unity government of different sects.

The group called on al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden to take more responsibility for al Qaeda in Iraq. "We also call ... on every Qaeda member in the Land of Mesopotamia to review themselves and their positions ... and for those who committed wrongful acts to repent quickly," the statement said. Al Qaeda has been blamed for recent attacks on several Sunni insurgent figures and also Sunni tribal leaders.

Last month, a military leader of the 1920 Revolution Brigades, a large Sunni Arab insurgent group, was killed in an ambush west of Baghdad that the group blamed on al Qaeda. That military leader, Harith al-Dari, was also the son of an anti-al Qaeda tribal figure.
Posted by: Steve || 04/06/2007 12:57 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "They would kill any critic or whoever tries to show them their mistakes. Assaulting people's homes became permitted and calling people infidels also became popular."

You mean al Qaeda blows people up and calls those who disagree with them infidels?! That's outrageous! Why have we not known of this before? Someone should do something about this, but who?
Posted by: Baba Tutu || 04/06/2007 15:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Look, in the sky...it's a bird. No, it's a plane. No, no, it's skin is stretched too tight for a plane. Why, it's San Fran Nan Pelosi, tooooooo the resQ.
Posted by: wxjames || 04/06/2007 16:09 Comments || Top||

#3  A couple of changes to that article are in order:

Al Qaeda in Iraq wields wide influence in several western and central provinces, particularly in the vast Anbar region that stretches to Syria.

Should be:

Al Qaeda in Iraq wields diminishing influence in several western and central provinces, particularly in the vast Anbar region that stretches to Syria.

and:


The group called on al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden to take more responsibility for al Qaeda in Iraq.


Should be:

The group noted al Qaeda's leader Osama bin Laden is apparently unable take more responsibility for al Qaeda in Iraq.
Posted by: crosspatch || 04/06/2007 16:52 Comments || Top||

#4  United now by a common purpose. At each other's throats as soon as that common purpose were to go away.
Posted by: gorb || 04/06/2007 17:34 Comments || Top||

#5  It has been a mistake to appease factions/year 1400 tribes following the lunatic cycle of international hatred on a Hitlerian scale indulged by them.

A point being, that we should let it be, or, make it Red on Red.
Posted by: rhodesiafever || 04/06/2007 19:14 Comments || Top||

#6  My take on it is that the Iraqi Sunni Arabs have finally seen the writing on the wall - that if the US leaves, the Shiites and the Kurds are going to wipe them out. The old strategy was to get US troops to leave, so that they could roll right over the Kurds and the Iraqi Shiite Arabs, installing a new Saddam. The current strategy is to make the best deal they can before the US leaves, and try to prevent the US from leaving. It is based on their calculation that the insurgency cannot defeat the existing Iraqi government, and must therefore sue for peace.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/06/2007 20:39 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm the same, ZF. Incorporate and co-opt these fissures
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 20:42 Comments || Top||

#8  While I understand and approve of the need for victory in Iraq, it still remains rather appealing for us to simply consolidate our troops in any existing bases and let the blood flow for a few weeks or months. Allow the Iraqi people to see what sort of government they have and what sort of culture really exists within their borders when no external force is applied by those who seek to do good.

This would serve several functions:

1.) Improve the average Iraqi's appreciation for Coalition efforts within Iraq.

2.) Allow for intramural bloodletting in order to reduce the insurgent population.

3.) Highlight the writing on the wall for all Sunnis

4.) Give our troops a much needed break.

5.) Make crystal clear what awaits Iraq should there be a full-scale Coalition withdrawal.

6.) Let the American Democrats see what their demands for full troop withdrawal actually entail.

7.) Give greater exposure to Iranian meddling and the loss of life it causes.

8.) Serve to improve cooperation by a subsequently chastened Iraqi population and military.

These ungrateful and uncooperative bastards really need a dose of their own medicine. I say let them have a tastse while our troops get a much needed stand down. It might also prove useful in that, after this session of R&R, our troops could disperse prior to any action against Iran and thereby be less concentrated of a target for any Iranian reprsal during the ongoing festivities in Teheran.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2007 20:58 Comments || Top||


Chlorine truck bomber kills 27 in Ramadi
BAGHDAD - A suicide bomber driving a truck loaded with TNT and toxic chlorine gas crashed into a police checkpoint in western Ramadi on Friday, killing at least 27 people and wounding dozens, police in the Anbar provincial capital said.

Police Maj. Mohammed Mahmoud al Nattah, member of the Anbar Salvation council, told state-run Iraqiya television the bomber hit a residential complex and dozens of wounded were taken to the Ramadi hospital.

Police opened fire as the suicide car bomber sped toward a checkpoint, three miles west of the city, according to police Col. Tariq al-Dulaimi. Nearby buildings were heavily damaged and police were searching the rubble for more victims.
Posted by: Glenmore || 04/06/2007 08:43 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the MSM is really missing this. for years its been, is this an anti-occupation insurgency, or a Sunni vs Shiite civil war. With either answer holding negative prospects for the success of the mission. But what now seems to be happening in Anbar is a full fledged Sunni vs Sunni civil war. Which, despite the tragedy for the civilians involved, has positive prospects of the success of the mission. Time to get this meme out, folks.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/06/2007 10:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Like the MSM will report anything other than the US is causing all the trouble and QUAGMIRE!!!
Posted by: DarthVader || 04/06/2007 11:44 Comments || Top||

#3  First report, based on Iraqi sources. Let's wait for something a little more definitive.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 04/06/2007 11:58 Comments || Top||


Top journalist killed in Iraq TV bombing
BAGHDAD - A senior Iraqi journalist was killed on Thursday when a suicide truck bomb exploded outside a television channel’s headquarters, the leading Sunni political party that owns the network said. “The Baghdad TV headquarters was targeted by a cowardly car bomb attack followed by a gun attack, killing deputy bureau chief the journalist Thaer Ahmed Jabr,” the Iraqi Islamic Party said in a statement. Another 12 employees of the 24-hour television channel were wounded, some of them seriously, it added.

An Iraqi security official had said earlier that 10 Baghdad TV employees were wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a dump truck outside its offices in the capital’s western Al-Jamiyah district. “Since its establishment, the channel has been committed to a moderate national line and has always defended Iraqi citizens, regardless of their religious affiliation,” the Islamic Party added.

In the same neighbourhood, the body of an Iraqi journalist who was a prominent television newsreader during the time of Saddam Hussein was found on Thursday a day after she was kidnapped, a media rights group said. The Baghdad-based Journalistic Freedoms Observatory quoted one of her friends as saying Khamael Muhsin, who was working for radio and Kurdish television, was kidnapped in the Yarmuk district on her way home. When police recovered her body gunmen opened fire on them, the rights group said.

More than 150 media workers, 95 percent of them Iraqi, have been killed in Iraq in the four years since the 2003 US-led invasion.
These people have true courage, not like the bar flies in the Green Zone.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/06/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When an American 'journalist' is seriously wounded or killed, we get days of coverage and special reports. When Iraq journalists who are in the fight for democracy are killed, you might get one or two blurbs to be fittingly place on page 2, section B. So how many Americans journalist have died and how many Iraqi? Who is really defending the concept of a free people and free press?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 04/06/2007 18:24 Comments || Top||


Bombs, gunmen kill 18 Iraqi and foreign troops
Roadside bombs killed eight British and American soldiers and gunmen shot dead 10 Iraqi troops in one of the bloodiest 24 hours in Iraq for coalition and Iraqi security forces in recent months.

Four British soldiers and an interpreter were killed by a roadside bomb that destroyed their armoured fighting vehicle when they were ambushed on the outskirts of Basra, said British military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Kevin Stratford-Wright. "The unit was involved in an operation elsewhere. As they were on their way back from the operation it was targeted by a roadside bomb in conjunction with small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades," he said from Basra. The nationality of the interpreter was not clear, he said. The British military denied accusations by Iraqi police that British troops had stormed a police checkpoint close to the scene of the attack shortly afterwards and beaten some police.

Six British soldiers have been killed in Iraq this week, making it one of the deadliest for British forces to date. At least 140 British soldiers have been killed since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. More than 3,260 U.S. soldiers have been killed.

Gunmen also killed 10 Iraqi soldiers and wounded one in an attack on Thursday on their checkpoint near Mosul, an army source said. The source said at least 40 gunmen attacked the checkpoint at dawn northwest of Mosul, setting vehicles on fire and seizing the soldiers' weapons. "Apparently the soldiers were asleep when the attack happened. They were taken by surprise and did not have a chance to respond," said the army source, who declined to be named.

Separately, four American soldiers were killed by two roadside bombs in and around Baghdad on Wednesday, the U.S. military said. Those attacks followed a relatively quiet period in Baghdad, where U.S. and Iraqi forces have deployed thousands more troops to enforce a security crackdown regarded as a last-ditch attempt to stop the country tearing itself apart.
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Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Cycle of family feuds increasing violence in Gaza

They're cursed, I tells ya! Cursed!!!
It began with a kidnapping, a beating and the theft of a white Mitsubishi saloon car. Two months on, Omar Yusuf Hadad, 77, a retired businessman, sat in an armchair in his flat in Gaza City and calmly admitted that his family had captured, questioned, beaten and killed one of their neighbors. Then, with impunity, they dumped his body in the street just outside their own apartment block.
I'm a simple retired businessman. With interesting...hobbies.
"Yes, we kidnapped him and made our own investigation. He admitted his crime and so we shot him in the street, among the sewage, just 50m away from here," he said. "This is how it is now: Families are taking justice by themselves. I got my rights and now I feel relaxed."
I blew off some steam. It's like...Gaza therapy. Everything's okay now. Until the next time...
Omar Hadad oversaw the killing of his neighbor to avenge the murder 10 days earlier of his own son. There is now a cycle of family feuds in Gaza, an endless toll of kidnapping and murder fueled by the political and factional violence still tearing this small strip of land apart.
Leave da gun. Take da falafel...
A rare summit seven weeks ago in the Saudi city of Mecca was supposed to have stopped the infighting. It brought together the leaders of the rival Palestinian movements Hamas and Fatah to halt the slide towards civil war. But accounts from Palestinians on the ground suggest the enmity continues and the new, long-awaited, coalition government is struggling to rein in the violence.
Jeez, I had such high hopes...
Caught up in this continued lawlessness is Alan Johnston, the respected BBC Gaza correspondent who was kidnapped three weeks ago and who, to the growing concern of his colleagues, is still being held. Although a large criminal clan is suspected of being behind the kidnapping, it is still not clear precisely who holds Johnston or what they want. There were more warnings last week that gunmen were hunting for other foreigners to kidnap. The failure of the new government to resolve what has now become the longest-running hostage case shows the scale of the crisis.
Alan Johnston, the Johnny Fontaine of Gaza...
... soon to be the Jimmy Hoffa of Gaza ...
"I'm really worried about the situation," said Sufian Abu Zaida, a former minister and senior Fatah leader from northern Gaza. "Since the establishment of the unity government™ on the ground nothing is changing."
Howda it evah get this far?
Nothing would change, he said, until the major factions were disarmed, which was a huge task. Meanwhile, the infighting comes at huge cost. "We have a very good experience of self-destruction as Palestinians," he said. "And I think the kidnapping of Alan Johnston is one of these ways of self-destruction."
We're cursed, I tells ya! Cursed!!!
The feud between the Nofals, a Fatah family, and the Hadads, a Hamas family, began in January. Those days saw the worst of the fighting between Fatah, the secular movement which has dominated Palestinian politics for decades, and Hamas, its Islamist rival, which was elected into power last year.
Youze gotta have these things every coupla weeks. It gets rid of da bad blood...
... if you don't get gun sex every so often you'll explode ...
Arafa Nofal, 34, was a recruit in the Preventative Security force, the large, Fatah-dominated security service. Early on the morning of Jan. 29 he was kidnapped, robbed and beaten. Three days later he was released. His kidnapping was only one in a series of tit-for-tat clashes between the rival groups. His money and cellphone were stolen, along with his car, which he had recently bought hoping to earn some extra money as a taxi driver. In his account of the kidnapping, Nofal said there was no doubt the men who took him were members of the Izzedin al-Qassam brigades, the Hamas armed militia. "They beat me. They tied my hands and covered my eyes. I was held without food or water," he said.
I must go to Don Nofal for justice!
In the weeks that followed he looked for his car, until on March 13 he saw it parked in Zeitoon, his local neighborhood of Gaza City. He confronted the driver, who told him the car belonged to Hamas and the al-Qassam brigades. The confrontation quickly descended into shouting, then as more men arrived, some Nofal's friends and others Hamas members, there was shooting.
You dissin me!
No, you dissin me!
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM...

In the clash, Nofal's brother, Mahmoud, another Preventative Security recruit, was shot nine times. He survived but is now seriously ill in a hospital in Egypt.
Nine times, ya say? Sounds like they were trying to shoot off all his toes...
On the other side, one man was killed, Ala'a Hadad, 40, a member of the al-Qassam brigades who had taken Nofal's car. Ala'a was the son of the retired businessman Omar Hadad. He was shot dead by a single bullet that entered through his abdomen. His father still has his son's walkie-talkie, which is cracked by a bullet-hole.
Nice...ummmmmm...souvenir, pops.
Nofal denied he was the killer. In his report, he wrote: "I swear by God the person who killed Ala'a Hadad was not there... I ask all those striving for the Palestinian factions to find out the truth for the people and to spare more blood as God is my witness."
Ah, quit whining, Fredo. Act like a man! ACT LIKE A MAN!
But last Friday, Nofal was kidnapped again, this time by the Hadad family. He was beaten and shot dozens of times. In the early evening his mutilated body was dumped in the street in Zeitoon.
Poor Nofal. He never could get a break. Ya hadda push it, didn't ya, kid...
The Nofal family live in a small, barely decorated house in the neighborhood. An orange cloth hangs just inside the front gate and posters of Arafa are pinned to the wall. They show a smiling young man in a white shirt, with a trimmed beard.
He was a quiet boy. He was turning his life around...
"What are they fighting about?" said the dead man's sister-in-law, Iman Nofal, 37. "When there are Israeli incursions the Palestinian factions are united. When there are none, they fight each other. They are trying to divide the families against themselves."
The Good Old Days, right, Iman. Killin Jews instead of each other?
"This is enough blood now," said his mother, Muyassa Nofal, 55.
...for this week anyways.
A few streets away is the home of the Hadad family, Hamas supporters who live in a well-appointed apartment in a new tower block. Photographs of their dead son, Ala'a, are pasted on the walls outside. Omar Hadad, 70, sat quietly in an armchair as he told the story of the murder of his son. The fault, he said, lay entirely with Arafa Nofal. "He was the killer, we know this," he said.
It broke my heart, but...he had to go.
He talked about the wider crisis in Gaza and said he believed there was little chance of a broader reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah and every chance that the situation would worsen."The solution is to stop relying on politicians from Hamas or Fatah, but to have professionals, technocrats to control the politics and economics," he said.
It also might help if Omar and his friends stops getting these urges to kill people. But that's asking a lot...
A few minutes later he began to cry."I swear I didn't want to kill Arafa but we had to because he killed my son. We had to kill him," he said.
Because this... is the business... we've chosen!
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2007 12:36 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6491 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tom-my...you killded my brotha...I loveded him...
Posted by: Seafarious || 04/06/2007 14:28 Comments || Top||

#2  So... which side is the Hatfields and which the McCoys?
Posted by: DarthVader || 04/06/2007 14:34 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL! tu3031's becoming quite the "regional expert" on the Paleos - thanks for the laughs.
Posted by: xbalanke || 04/06/2007 14:44 Comments || Top||

#4  The curse of the chaos cycle. It's in the book.
Posted by: Flarong Pelosi5310 || 04/06/2007 14:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Survey says, "Paleos are even more brutal and ignorant than advertised."
Posted by: anymouse || 04/06/2007 15:29 Comments || Top||

#6  "When there are Israeli incursions the Palestinian factions are united. When there are none, they fight each other. "

Hopefully those of us who noticed this a while ago wont be called dove-traitors any more.


Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/06/2007 15:30 Comments || Top||

#7  "Since the establishment of the unity government™ on the ground nothing is changing."

What's Palestinian for "Same Shitstorm Different Day"?

"We have a very good experience of self-destruction as Palestinians,"

Faster, please.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2007 15:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Let's take up a collection for bullets. Really, we should do something to honor the dead, a sort of memorial. Ala and Arafa Memorial Ammunition Fund.
Posted by: wxjames || 04/06/2007 16:04 Comments || Top||

#9  "If the Nofals let this pass, the entire world will know they are pussies. If they respond and the Hadads don't retaliate, the entire world will know they are pussies. They must regain their honor!"

I've done my part, pass the popcorn
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 16:09 Comments || Top||

#10  I think that the NGO and the UN should abandon Gaza and the West Bank and let the Gazans figure out whom to kill next
Posted by: Spuse the Elder7296 || 04/06/2007 17:09 Comments || Top||

#11  Wall them off. Give them $100M "humanitarian assitance" so they can buy guns. Let them go at it. After a while there will only be one guy left standing. Shoot him.
Posted by: gorb || 04/06/2007 17:40 Comments || Top||

#12  First, put Norplant in the water supply.
Posted by: Mac || 04/06/2007 18:24 Comments || Top||

#13  First, put Norplant in the water supply.

riighhttt like they're bathing. Oh... wait, nevermind, my bad
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 18:59 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Four killed in Southern Thailand violence
Four Muslim men have been killed in shooting attacks by suspected Islamic militants in Thailand's restive south.

Police say two men, aged 26 and 35, were gunned down in a drive-by shooting on their way to a mosque late on Thursday in Narathiwat, one of the three insurgency-plagued provinces bordering Malaysia.

Two other men were killed in separate attacks in the same area. One 52-year-old was gunned down in an ambush, while a 51-year-old was killed when militants opened fire on his home.

Plus:

A school in this troubled southern province was burned by insurgents early Friday as over three years of violence in the predominantly Muslim region continues, police said.

The latest incident occurred at 5.45 a.m. when a village school in Panare district was torched by suspected insurgents, police said. Three fire-fighting trucks were dispatched to the two-storey school but firefighters were unable to contain the blaze which eventually totally destroyed classrooms, a library and educational supplies, they said. Police said unidentified visitors set the fire after the school's security guards left the school to perform religious rites.
Posted by: ryuge || 04/06/2007 05:34 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Spanish soldiers find arms depot in southern Lebanon
Posted by: Ebbeans Phaish1823 || 04/06/2007 16:50 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6483 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Darn linky thingy. darn.
Posted by: newc || 04/06/2007 22:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Whaddya mean "find"?

I thought all of Southern Lebanon was an arms depot.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 04/06/2007 22:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Barb, sure it is. But he tripped over it, there was no denial about it.
Posted by: twobyfour || 04/06/2007 23:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Try this.
http://www.jurnalo.com/jurnalo/storyPage.do?story_id=27907
Posted by: Throger Thains8048 || 04/06/2007 23:39 Comments || Top||


British sailors tell of intense 'pressure' in Iranian detention
ROYAL MARINES BASE CHIVENOR, England (AFP) - The 15 British sailors freed by Iran told Friday how they were subjected to intense "psychological pressure" and threatened with prison during their two weeks in captivity.

Addressing a press conference a day after the group's return to Britain, Royal Marine Captain Chris Air and naval Lieutenant Felix Carman said they had been isolated from each other, handled roughly and told they faced seven years imprisonment if they failed to confess to being in Iranian waters.

They were at times blindfolded and handcuffed when lined up against a wall and their Iranian captors used mind games in a bid to get information and confessions. There was "constant psychological pressure," Carman said as he read out a joint statement on behalf of the eight sailors and seven marines captured in the northern Gulf on March 23 while carrying out anti-smuggling operations.

"Fighting back was simply not an option," said Air of their capture. "If we had, some of us would not be here today, of that I am completely sure." Air, 25, was one of the captive servicemen shown on Iraqi television admitting that the group had trespassed into Iranian waters. On Friday, he rescinded that statement, stressing that they were "well inside" Iraqi waters when captured.

The only woman in the group, leading seaman Faye Turney, 26, was separated from the men straight away and later told that the others had gone home four days earlier. "She coped admirably" Air said. Turney was not present at the press briefing at the Royal Marine Base Chivenor in Devon, southwest England, where the 15 spent their first night of freedom after being reunited with their families and friends.

Carman, 26 said of the interrogation techniques used by their Iranian captors: "The questions were aggressive and the handling a bit rough," he said.

Prior to the press briefing, Admiral Sir Jonathon Band had praised the sailors' bravery and dignity during their detention and rejected suggestions that they should not have made "confessions" about breaching Iran's territorial waters.

"They weren't on combat operations. They weren't like people shot down in Tornados in the (first) Gulf War," said Band, who as First Sea Lord is head of the Royal Navy. "I don't think there is any doubt from the statements some of them made, and certainly the letters, that they were under a certain element of psychological pressure."

Band also said Britain had suspended boarding operations in the Gulf and opened an official inquiry to look at the rules of engagement, intelligence gathering, equipment and procedures to prevent any repeat of the incident.
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2007 11:51 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6501 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Band also said Britain had suspended boarding operations in the Gulf

Um, wouldn't that be rewarding bad behavior? Stop crying , mamoud, and I will give you some ice cream.
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/06/2007 12:01 Comments || Top||

#2  "Britain had suspended boarding operations in the Gulf"

To me, this was a main goal all along. The Enemy (IRAN) now can make waterborne weapon/soldier shipments into Iraq unheeded. With the Basra area clear of nosy Limeys and adding the ability to offload offshore any anything they need, i.e. the smugglers get breathing space.
Posted by: SCpatriot@work || 04/06/2007 12:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Caving into Allan. Well at least they are home.
Posted by: Icerigger || 04/06/2007 12:16 Comments || Top||

#4  O how the mighty have fallen. No torture, no beatings, no food or sleep deprivation, no heat or cold. You'd think Royal Marines could have handled a week or two of psychological pressure.
Posted by: Keystone || 04/06/2007 12:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Hopefully we see some US ships taking up the patrol.
Posted by: DarthVader || 04/06/2007 12:55 Comments || Top||

#6  Fighting back was simply not an option," said Air of their capture. "If we had, some of us would not be here today, of that I am completely sure."

INHERERT RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE!
There would have some Iranians there "would not be here today" if they had tried this shit on my Marines. I'm sure these Brits had weapons, and not one fired a single shot. Somebody please tell me that they have ROEs that do not give them the right to self defense. If they do have that right, shame on them for not exercising it. Not only have they disgraced their Nation, but they have allowed the Iranians a giant PR victory. Sometimes it is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
Posted by: 0369_Grunt || 04/06/2007 13:31 Comments || Top||

#7  So far, all the additional info we're getting about the whole affair (initial incident and behavior while captive) only reinforces the view that this was a shameful, disastrous, incompetent chapter. Perhaps the inquiry will change that. But the defensive tone of the briefer, and his pathetically unimpressive assertions, don't give much hope of a better picture emerging.

And I'm leaving aside anything the US might have done to secure their release (if we did anything). The Iranian govt. has been killing Coalition soldiers for years in Iraq, and when directly provoked, THIS is the response? Very, very hard to believe we're doing anything substantial on the covert/quiet side to the Iranians given their recklessly confident behavior in this instance.

Posted by: Verlaine || 04/06/2007 13:33 Comments || Top||

#8  I was wondering when Amnesty Inter-communists is going to condemn the treatment and ILLEGAL detention of the British citizens. (Crickets) Thought so. Also I want to add my condemnation on the British troops. After they had their initial "News" confernce and it was clear tehy were not being beaten or starved they should ahve ceased cooperation with the Iraniacs. They didn't have to fight them outright they could have simply NOT COOPERATED.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 04/06/2007 13:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Translation:

They had guns and might have hurt some of us! So we decided to give up so we wouldn't get hurt. Then they were mean to us and scared us with maybe going to jail and being called bad names, so we said what they wanted on television so we could go home. We got presents and the mean man in charge smiled at us and gave us pretty suits to wear home. When we got home we got to put on our nice uniforms again and march around and act brave again. And the prime Minister said he was very proud of us for not getting hurt or hurting anyone. Now our government has decided our national policy will be not to do this anymore so nobody else might get hurt or have to be scared. Also we can park our boats so they won't get used and can look nice and cost less next year.

Captain Air, Royal Marines,
Lieutenant Carmen, Royal Navy
Posted by: Just AboutEnough || 04/06/2007 13:44 Comments || Top||

#10  The gist of the stories is that they could have interpreted their ROE to defend themselves but the Captain ordered them not to and did not offer support. I just now learned from this post that they are suspending boarding operations in that area that they are assigned to patrol as part of our coalition. In other words, they no longer have our back.

The sun has set on the Royal Navy, a force that defended freedom in the British Isles for centuries and helped end slavery in the West. This is a very sad day in world history. Shame on them. Nelson is spinning in his grave.
Posted by: JAB || 04/06/2007 13:55 Comments || Top||

#11  My read on this is they will be back after they retool the ROEs to something more connected to reality.
Posted by: gorb || 04/06/2007 14:00 Comments || Top||

#12  The good news is that the Iranians learned from our mistakes at Abu Grabi: not one report of panties being used as a torture device.....
So they CAN be taught, in little baby steps...
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 04/06/2007 14:14 Comments || Top||

#13  They acted like unarmed bobbies instead of royal marines... Its a bit harsh but the iranian "yoots" have grown up around a lot more firearms than the Brits.
Posted by: Capsu78 || 04/06/2007 14:43 Comments || Top||

#14  1. Its considered proper to surrender when fighting back is suicidal, and theres nothing of tangible military value worth commmitting suicide to protect. If youre in boats, returing from a boarding, and youre all going to be killed, shooting back just to take one or two with you is not necessary for honor.

2. They were told they would be imprisoned for years if they didnt cooperate, and would be released if they did. The shame for that is on the Iranian regime, not the sailors.

3. For all we know, they are suspending ops so that when the ops restart, they WILL be in a position to shoot back, effectively.

Dont count the UK out yet, not by any means.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/06/2007 15:26 Comments || Top||

#15  I am not saying they should not have surrendered, but whatever happen to name, rank , serial number and that is it. no smiley faces for the camera, no speeches off letters, just name. rank. serial number.
Posted by: djohn66 || 04/06/2007 15:31 Comments || Top||

#16  name rank and serial number is a limit on the capturing state. That was violated by IRAN, which will probably claim they were spies, not POWs. Feh on Iran.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 04/06/2007 15:34 Comments || Top||

#17  I have no problem with these 15 surrendering when they were surrounded and outgunned. There's no honor in committing suicide.

But I am stunned by how quickly they all were ready to "confess". Even if they renounce it now, it's too late. They've given Ahmadinnerjacket enough propaganda footage to milk for the rest of his (hopefully short) life.
Posted by: Dar || 04/06/2007 15:44 Comments || Top||

#18  Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Perhaps the British wish to be excused from the remainder of the fight?
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2007 15:48 Comments || Top||

#19  FWIW, here is the Code of Conduct for U.S. military personnel:

I. I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

II. I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

III. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

IV. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

V. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

VI. I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.


I've no idea what the British equivalent is, if any.

Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2007 16:04 Comments || Top||

#20  We were blindfolded (sometimes).
We were handcuffed (sometimes).
We were stripped (sometimes).
We were isolated (sometimes).
We were questioned agressively.
We were handled roughly.
We were threatened with seven years in prison.
We had guns cocked at our heads.
We underwent constant psychological pressure.

The above information is what I've gleamed from reading the hostages complete statment to the press posted at the Daily Mail and Telegraph. I don't think I missed anything.

No reported beatings or use of physical torture.

Someone should check the "goodie bags" they brought home from Tehran. Maybe their dignity is inside together with a code of conduct for captured military personnel.

Posted by: Mark Z || 04/06/2007 16:26 Comments || Top||

#21  "They weren't on combat operations"?!

What the fuck were they gonna do if they found a dhow packed to the gunnels with arms/ammo/orcs?

Give 'em a ticket?
Posted by: mojo || 04/06/2007 16:47 Comments || Top||

#22  In other news , mosque burnt down 200 yards from my house today
Posted by: MacNails || 04/06/2007 17:56 Comments || Top||

#23  damn shame, macnails...divine intervention?
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 18:02 Comments || Top||

#24  Well I did chuckle when i took the dog for a walk and saw them praying in the road with all the other shit . Seeing as it is an old church , divine intervention or divine inspiration , i'll let you decide.
Posted by: MacNails || 04/06/2007 18:06 Comments || Top||

#25  There's at least one person with balls left in Blighty.
Posted by: Mac || 04/06/2007 18:29 Comments || Top||

#26  LH, everything you say (in isolation, on its own merits) is logical and sensible. But I don't think it washes in this case. As I said before, we don't have all the factoids, but it seems the ones that are emerging do nothing to pretty this very ugly picture.

At a minimum, (1) the ops plan and ROE for the maritime patrol were amateurish or criminally incompetent; (2) the performance of the captives was utterly pathetic. I think the statements by the two servicemembers, and the senior officer, actually unwittingly mock their performance. Sailors and marines serving in a war zone are taken captive illegally by a known enemy state and they succumb to threats of multi-year imprisonment just like that, thinking the UK and Coalition would just let Iran imprison them for 7 years? Come on, dude.

I don't think it's flip or mindlessly jingoistic to find both elements of this affair (command performance and servicemember performance) appalling. And I don't exempt the USG or Dubya, in the larger sense, on the situation with Iran, either.
Posted by: Verlaine || 04/06/2007 18:33 Comments || Top||

#27  The minute free men decide the Establishment, the goverment, the bloody Royal Navy will not fight back is the day free men will take the law into their own hands. I suspect that if these fifteen hostages had not been returned then we would see more than mosques being burned to the ground. There would be hand-wringing and cries of racism but the facts would remain the facts.
Posted by: Excalibur || 04/06/2007 18:58 Comments || Top||

#28  Something I never do, but this time it's worthwhile. Go to YouTube and find the MSNBC commentary by ret. Col. Jack Jacobs on this affair. Though I haven't watched much TV for years now, I recall Jacobs as one of the most sober, professional, and analytical commentators from the retired ranks. Check out his reaction. He is, in his own words, almost speechless with disgust at the behavior of the British military in this case. No amount of lipstick will change the overall appeal of this porker.

Here we have a true, stupendous scandal. The sort that should bring ministerial and senior military firings/resignations, national uproar, etc. Is there any sign of this in the UK? I know it's not the US - where utter non-issues like Katrina response and fired political appointees are deemed scandals - but is the UK capable of being upset any more?
Posted by: Verlaine || 04/06/2007 19:05 Comments || Top||

#29  Can you give us a URL for that Col. Jacobs piece?
Posted by: Keystone || 04/06/2007 19:14 Comments || Top||

#30  not having been a POW, I'm sure I'll be criticized, but the Brits SUCKED. Once you're captured, I imagine, you hope for the best but plan for the worst. To me, being torture and killed would, of course, be bad, but to be thought a coward or wimp. By rolling over in days without physical coersion is unthinkable. Isolation? Blindfolding? Nasty words? I withstood worse in my fraternities' hell week...acknowledging I wasn't threatened with death or years' imprisonment, but if I had (like the Brits should've) I wouldn't believe it. Maintain some friggin dignity....yeesh!
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 19:19 Comments || Top||

#31  The Jack Jacobs video can be found on LGF, here.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2007 19:26 Comments || Top||

#32  As the mother of an American Soldier I had "the talk" with my son before he left for the second time overseas. I asked about the possiblity of capture. He responded dead eyed that "you never get captured by a Muslim, better to die on your feet than allow the propaganda they would use against your own country"
I am not sure what bothers me more, the ROE by the UK or the smiling chimps(10/15, 5 not) as they looked like they were on a trip to Disney Land.
As I am currently watching the Band Of Brothers I am shocked at the difference a few generations (UK) make. Sad that.
Posted by: Get your gun || 04/06/2007 19:35 Comments || Top||

#33  I can't help but think that phrase, "fighting back was not an option", will live in ignominy. I wonder what the brave British soldiers who fought on Sword and Gold Beaches in Operation Overlord would have thought of it.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/06/2007 19:36 Comments || Top||

#34  JAB: The gist of the stories is that they could have interpreted their ROE to defend themselves but the Captain ordered them not to and did not offer support. I just now learned from this post that they are suspending boarding operations in that area that they are assigned to patrol as part of our coalition. In other words, they no longer have our back.

That may not be a bad thing, if all the RN will do is hand over Royal Marines to the Iranian military, for which we must exchange captured Iranian terror masters. Besides, we have more than enough people to do this kind of stuff. It's good PR to have something other than the American flag show up in newscasts about Iraq - it shows that our "alliances" are worth the tens of billions of dollars we pour into them. But the reality is that we have more than enough people to take care of coastal patrols.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 04/06/2007 21:08 Comments || Top||

#35  For the moment, let's assume that there was some virtue in dislodging France's place in the record books for the "Speed of Surrender" category.

What value was there in going beyond Name, Rank, Serial Number and Birth Date so that it assisted Iran's propaganda efforts to such a tremendous degree?

If Britain is ludicrous enough to treat these fifteen as returning heros, then they may as well hand over their colours to Iran. This hideous farce is only compounded by America's complicity in exchanging prisoners. Still, Britain's own response, from start to finish, was so totally lacking in valor that this can only indelibly besmirch their military record.

As to MacNails' toothsome tidbit, here's a larf for us all:

A Nottingham mosque has been severely damaged in a fire described by a leading imam as "an act of terrorism against Muslims".

Aren't people's heads supposed to explode when they say crap like this? Which is it, a redundancy or oxymoron to compose a sentence that contains the words, "terrorism against Muslims"?
Posted by: Zenster || 04/06/2007 21:39 Comments || Top||

#36  I've no comment about the sailors' behaviour, except that when they called their ship for help, they were told not to fight against their captors. They may well have believed they would be abandoned, especially if they were informed that was the word coming down in real time from London... as earlier reports said it was.

Separately, our heartfelt thanks to you and your soldier son, Get your gun. May he never need to act on that ROE, and may he come back to you safe and whole. Our country is blessed to have those like him who are willing to sacrifice to protect it, and parents like you who stand strong in support.
Posted by: trailing wife || 04/06/2007 21:40 Comments || Top||

#37  In the big picture, Western Civilization in general is displaying a lack of resolve, viz Muslim global aggression to the end of restoration of the Caliphate. With the demise of the Ottoman tyranny in 1927, Muslims were without a successor government to the phony "prophet" for the first time since the year 632. Our alliances with the Saud and Pak terrorist entities, are merely OUR accession to jihad terror by other means. Clausewitz said that diplomacy is only another way of war.

We have a pretext to destroy Ayatollah power in Iran. Either we use it or our gradual surrender to the mortal enemy of freedom, will escalate. Both the immigration pollution of the slaves of "allah" into the civilized world, and our facilitation of dar-islam within dar-harb, are suicide pills.
Posted by: Sneaze || 04/06/2007 21:52 Comments || Top||

#38  Zen. We agree
Posted by: Frank G || 04/06/2007 22:41 Comments || Top||


National Nuclear Day To Be Celebrated On Monday
Tehran, 6 April (AKI) - Iran will celebrate national nuclear day on Monday in a ceremony to be held at the Natanz nuclear facility in central Iran, the official IRNA news agency reported on Friday. April 9 has been chosen as Iran's national nuclear technology day, IRNA said.
We've got the date and location, now the only question is, what do you give someone on nuclear day? Oh, wait, I know.....
Tehran, which is facing UN sanctions, has repeatedly ignored calls to halt uranium enrichment work the international community fears is aimed at building nuclear weapons. The United Nations has set as a precondition for talks with Tehran the suspension of sensitive atomic work.


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Kadyrov Takes Control in ChechnyaTribes seek air support in fight against foreignersTop journalist killed in Iraq TV bombingHezbollah accuses majority of wanting to 'control' LebanonAlgeria detains 120 suspected Iraq fightersUS reveals its efforts to topple Mugabe regimePA fears UN may order all aid workers out of lawless Gaza
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#1  So ... did the US attack the Iranians today, as foretold by the Russians?

Did the Mahdi come out of the well today, as foretold by the Mad Mullahs?

Did Nancy return with a signed agreement, as foretold by Neville Chamberlain?
Posted by: Bobby || 04/06/2007 8:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Day ain't over yet...
Posted by: tu3031 || 04/06/2007 8:28 Comments || Top||

#3  The 12th Imam has decided it's too dangerous to stick his head out of the well.
Posted by: gorb || 04/06/2007 14:02 Comments || Top||



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