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-Obits-
Legendary Air Force pilot who parachuted from 19 miles above Earth dead at 94
[FoxNews] Retired Air Force Col. Joseph Kittinger served three tours during Vietnam War
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 10:23 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Here’s a toast…
Posted by: Lowspark || 12/10/2022 13:48 Comments || Top||

#2  A toast from me as well.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/10/2022 14:50 Comments || Top||


-Great Cultural Revolution
Detroit School Board Trying To Cancel Dr. Ben Carson By Removing His Name From A School
[Gateway] The Detroit school board is trying to remove Dr. Ben Carson’s name from a high school that was named in his honor.

This is cancel culture. They are obviously going after Carson because he is a Republican who worked for the Trump administration.

Dozens of people who worked with Carson are standing up for him now.

They wrote a column for FOX News:
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 09:57 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They should be dedicating statues to his exceptionalism and contributions to the Nation.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 10:03 Comments || Top||


#3  This tells us much more about them than it does about him.

Stand tall, Dr. Carson! The enemies you have just make me respect you all the more.
Posted by: Tom || 12/10/2022 10:32 Comments || Top||

#4  He got off the Plantation
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/10/2022 14:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Empowered success is against everything they stand for.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 18:28 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Idaho police warn of 'criminal charges' for web sleuths engaged in 'harassing' amid 'misinformation'
Don't want to crowdsource a solution?
[FoxNews] Four University of Idaho students were attacked in their sleep on Nov. 13 -- and police have not publicly named any suspects.

Police urged the internet's true crime community to tone things down Friday, nearly four weeks after the unsolved slayings of four University of Idaho students captured national attention.

"Investigators have been monitoring online activity related to this ongoing and active case and are aware of the large amount of rumors and misinformation being shared as well as harassing and threatening behavior toward potentially involved parties," Moscow police said in a statement Friday afternoon.

They did not identify the "potentially involved parties."

Police say Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Madison Mogen, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Ethan Chapin, 20, were killed in a rental house on King Road just steps off campus between 3 and 4 a.m. on Nov. 13.

Closing in on a month later, police have not publicly named any suspects or persons of interest – and they released few details before Wednesday, when they asked the public for help finding the occupant or occupants of a white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra seen near the victims' home around the time of the slayings.

Police say anyone in the Elantra may have "critical information to share" in the case.

Two other roommates were on the ground level and escaped harm, police have said. Goncalves' dog was also unharmed.

A robust community of true crime followers has been discussing the case broadly across social media, in Facebook groups, subreddits, Discord servers, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok and elsewhere.

Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 10:27 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


#2  It would be interesting to see what a Ohio jury would do with a misinformation case.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 11:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Moscow,Id is a bastion of Ultra Liberal idiots, hope Boise doesnt get too far down that slope, but its not looking good... just sayin'
Posted by: 746 || 12/10/2022 11:59 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope and pray they've caught the bastard.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 12:00 Comments || Top||

#5  They remember the case a few months ago when the internet people found the girl in 45 minutes when the police had spent 20,000 man hours and couldn't. Can't make the stasi look bad.
Posted by: Chris || 12/10/2022 12:12 Comments || Top||

#6  You, civilian peon, are not allowed to participate in reality. Leave that to professionals.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 12/10/2022 14:56 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
State-by-state interactive map shows how children's hospitals are being overwhelmed by RSV and flu ‐ after lockdowns robbed them of vital immunity
[Daily Mail, where America gets its news]
  • DailyMail.com analysis has revealed the busiest children's hospitals in the US

  • They are facing a surge in admissions in the wake of lockdown policies

  • These robbed children of the chance to build immunity against common viruses

DailyMail.com's interactive map shows eight states had more than 90 percent of their pediatric beds occupied on December 3, the latest date available, with wards in one state completely overwhelmed by admissions. Across the country, 75.3 percent of children's beds were filled with sick patients.

Doctors have said this year's season is 'worse than any other' they have faced — as seasonal bugs return with a vengeance and cases of flu and RSV hit their highest level in more than a decade.

There are also growing concerns about a wave of Strep A infections striking the US after 15 children in the UK died from the normally benign bacterial bug — which is more common after viral infections such as RSV and flu.

Idaho, Arizona and Rhode Island are the worst hit states in America. Meanwhile, some are already telling people to mask up again — and not for Covid.

WHERE ARE CHILDREN'S ICUS BUSIEST?
  • Idaho - 133% occupied

  • Alaska - 100% occupied

  • Maryland - 100% occupied

  • Maine - 100% occupied

  • Rhode Island - 94% occupied

  • Pennsylvania - 94% occupied

  • Utah - 93% occupied

  • Texas - 91% occupied

  • Massachusetts - 90% occupied

  • Nevada - 90% occupied


WHERE ARE CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS BUSIEST?
  • Idaho - 160% occupied

  • Arizona - 97% occupied

  • Rhode Island - 96% occupied

  • Nevada - 94% occupied

  • Utah - 93% occupied

  • Kentucky - 93% occupied

  • Minnesota - 92% occupied

  • Texas - 90% occupied

  • Connecticut - 87% occupied

  • Maine - 86% occupied

Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am confident the school lockdowns resulted in fewer respiratory infections, but I'm not sure how anyone could show how strong the correlation to current hospitalizations is.

Is it OK to end a sentence with a verb?
Posted by: Bobby || 12/10/2022 8:46 Comments || Top||

#2  It is OK based on what I was taught by Dick and Jane and Go Dog Go.

Based on the data, I think we can draw the conclusion that everybody needs to get their kids straight out of Idaho.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 8:53 Comments || Top||

#3  This link will provide info relevant to my conclusion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLY4TsZBExY&t=5s
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 8:55 Comments || Top||

#4  You mean Go Spot Go. :)
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/10/2022 9:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Hasn't really hit the local news here in Boise really. At any rate show me the math. I seem to recall in past news items that we had a shortage to begin with. Was this data normalized with a baseline? Show me that math...statistics be hard!
Posted by: Warthog || 12/10/2022 9:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Tried the link Super...all I got was Straight outta Compton Oktoberfest...it was funny though...
Posted by: Warthog || 12/10/2022 9:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Is it OK to end a sentence with a verb?

Many can no longer form sentences, if they ever could.
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 9:28 Comments || Top||

#8  I dunno Skid...looks like you ended your sentence with a punctuation mark? <- like that one ;)

I know...I'll go to my room now...
Posted by: Warthog || 12/10/2022 9:45 Comments || Top||

#9  Be interesting to correlate the rates with not just pre-capacity, but the % of illegals bringing in exotic variants
Posted by: Frank G || 12/10/2022 10:28 Comments || Top||

#10  Welcome Daily Mail to the Anti-Covid Anti-Science Flat Earther Society: fastest growing membership all across the world!

Frank G has a valid point; We received a number of Obama's children regionally during his surge, especially Somalia.

Flu season was awful, with schools straight closing and people with all sorts of new sicknesses, notably something which looked like an acne outbreak. Couldn't figure if it was a symptom or side effect. "Just the flu" the doctors would say. Uh huh.

Ours are down with what we thought was strep, but tested negative and no fever. Still no fun.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/10/2022 11:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Wart my link was gratuitous although its irrelevance was consistent with how Covid media is done. Make a claim and link to a study that proves something else or is so poorly formulated as to prove nothing.

What amazes me about the clotting claims is that the Red Cross is left out of the issue on both sides. Seems like they would have something to say.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 11:39 Comments || Top||

#12  Yah...good point...I posed this stat to a physician friend of mine here in Boise, here was his response.

I think you hit the nail on the head! Idaho has only one children’s hospital, which is St. Luke’s in Boise. What the data don’t tell you is how many of these beds are due to children with respiratory disease. One has to remember that many beds are filled with children having other issues, including preemies and neonates. I don’t remember how old children are before they are not considered children in terms of pediatrics. So with one children’s hospital in Idaho and with the exceptional local growth, it isn’t an anticipated that the children’s hospital would be overrun if there are increased numbers of children with respiratory diseases.
Posted by: Warthog || 12/10/2022 11:47 Comments || Top||

#13  Go, Dog. Go! I read it as a child to my younger siblings, then in their turn trailing daughter #1 read it to td#2.

Warthog, pediatricians can keep their patients until age 21 or graduation from college and setting up their adult lives, whichever comes first, It’s a continuity of care thingy during the final years.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/10/2022 11:56 Comments || Top||

#14  I live in the Boise area and volunteer with the local 4-H clubs. I can tell you there's a lot of plain ol' flu bug going around, based on the families we talk to.

(Can I end my sentence with a preposition?)
Posted by: Nero || 12/10/2022 12:02 Comments || Top||

#15  Frank G has a valid point

Please also recall hospitals are supported by local resident taxes. Along with all else, ID is a west coast (OR, WA) recreational state. The children's hospital may simply not have been sized for the epidemiological impact of non-resident tourists who just swarmed through for Thanksgiving. was
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 12:27 Comments || Top||

#16  I tend to end my sentences with a word.

Is that allowed?

Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 12/10/2022 14:42 Comments || Top||

#17  By the way, did NY Governor Cuomo ever get his 40,000 ventilators, or did all 40,000 die?
Posted by: Bobby || 12/10/2022 15:18 Comments || Top||

#18  #1
No to verb.
Yes to adverb.
Posted by: Xyz || 12/10/2022 18:50 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Florida sheriff's video on new student disciplinary measures sparks backlash; he refuses to back down
[FoxNews] Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey stood by his comments at a Nov. 28 press conference that threatened harsher punishment for student misbehavior
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 09:03 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Mob Rule


#2  Arrange an LA, Chicago, NYC distribution plan and hope for the best.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 9:09 Comments || Top||

#3 
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 10:45 Comments || Top||


Economy
Automaker Stellantis lays off hundreds of American workers, blaming high cost of making electric cars
[FoxBusinessNews] Stellantis closing assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois, in February 2023

Multinational automaker Stellantis is indefinitely closing an assembly plant in Illinois in February and laying off hundreds of workers, in large part due to the high cost of making electric vehicles.

Stellantis noted in a statement emailed to FOX Business on Friday that the industry had been adversely affected by factors including the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the global microchip shortage and the increasing cost related to the electrification of the automotive market, which it said was the most impactful.

The automaker said that a number of actions had been taken to stabilize production and improve efficiency at its North American facilities to "preserve affordability and customer satisfaction in terms of quality."

However, while considering other avenues to optimize operations, Stellantis said the decision had been made to idle the Belvedere plant starting on Feb. 28, 2023.

"This difficult but necessary action will result in indefinite layoffs, which are expected to exceed six months and may constitute a job loss under the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act. As a result, WARN notices have been issued to both hourly and salaried employees," it said. "The company will make every effort to place indefinitely laid off employees in open full-time positions as they become available."

There are about 1,350 workers at the Belvedere plant, which produces the Jeep Cherokee.
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 10:21 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My ancient Jeep Liberty is a legacy Stellantis product. There think I should FOAD, except if I want to go to the stealership to be harrassed about buying something new.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 12/10/2022 14:59 Comments || Top||

#2  the industry had been adversely affected by factors including the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the global microchip shortage and the increasing cost related to the electrification of the automotive market, which it said was the most impactful.

And the fact that a lot of owners, Like M. Murcek, are not happy with their purchase.
Posted by: Bobby || 12/10/2022 15:13 Comments || Top||


Europe
French tanks join NATO defensive line in Romania
[An Nahar] Freshly arrived at Cincu army training camp, 120mm cannons loaded on French tanks are already booming out across the muddy firing range as NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A collection of multinational and multilingual and multicultural armed forces, all of differing capabilities, working toward a common goal by pulling in different directions...
bolsters its forces in Romania, a member country bordering Ukraine.

"The Ukrainian crisis shows that what's going on in the east can threaten all of Europe. We're showing that NATO is present, united and ready for anything," says Alexandre de Feligonde, a French colonel leading a battalion of troops from different countries in central Romania.

As lead nation for the alliance's "Enhanced Forward Presence" deployment in Romania, La Belle France has just sent around 20 armored personnel carriers and 13 Leclerc tanks.

The menacing 56-tonne battle tanks can fire six shells a minute at ranges of up to 6,000 meters (3.7 miles) -- even on the move.

Development on the Leclerc was begun during the Cold War, when NATO was tooling up for "high-intensity" conflict with its Warsaw Pact opposite numbers led by the Soviet Union.

Alliance members' return to preparations for such a war, after years fighting totally different conflicts in the Middle East and Africa, have been stepped up since Russia invaded Ukraine in February.

French tanks were previously deployed to Estonia and Lithuania, NATO members bordering Russia, but the sudden attack has turned Romania into a new front-line state.

The French-led battalion now numbers around 700 men. Most are French and around 80 are Dutch.

Facilities are being built to host the target number of 1,200.

- 5,000 NATO SOLDIERS -
As well as flying the NATO flag on the alliance's southeastern flank, the deployment aims to get the different armies working better together.

"We have to train together to be credible" as a combined fighting force, de Feligonde says, watching from a hill as the tanks fire salvoes of shells in a joint exercise with the Dutch and Romanians.

"There is a language barrier with the French but we have the same procedures. It is easier than I thought," said Lieutenant Wietse of the Dutch force.

Romania currently hosts around 5,000 foreign troops, the largest contingent anywhere in NATO's southeastern region.

Some are based at the Black Sea airfield of Constanta, around 400 kilometers (250 miles) as the crow flies from the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia illegally annexed from Ukraine in 2014.

One corner of the base bristles with light armored vehicles, and Chinook and Apache helicopters belonging to a brigade of the U.S. 101st Airborne Division.

Further north, just 100 kilometers from the Ukrainian border, French troops arrived earlier this year to beef up air defenses.
Posted by: Fred || 12/10/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It is interesting to observe that of the less than 1,000 Leclerc tanks built France: 222 + 17 armoured recovery vehicles and the UAE: 354 tanks. The UAE has some battle history in Yemen using theirs...
Posted by: magpie || 12/10/2022 0:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah, I always feel more secure when the French are involved. Sure I do.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 12/10/2022 12:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Relax Abu; takes a while to get there driving in reverse.

/no fair, understand LeClerc is a good platform.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 12/10/2022 13:17 Comments || Top||

#4  The Poilu, the average French soldier, is a good trooper. Their high commanders ...does the old phrase 'lions led by jackasses' ring a bell? Their politicians? *Heh* Lie to your face with perfect poise.
Posted by: magpie || 12/10/2022 17:16 Comments || Top||


Government Corruption
FDA Says Ivermectin Doesn't Work Against COVID-19 But Points To Studies That Show It Does
[ZERO] The FDA’s website states, "Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19."

But half of the studies to which the FDA points support using ivermectin against COVID-19, according to the review.

The papers cut against the drug agency’s repeated exhortations for people not to take ivermectin for COVID-19. In Twitter posts, public statements, and emails, FDA officials have repeatedly warned against ivermectin. Some of those statements triggered a lawsuit from doctors who say the agency’s role is to approve drugs, not to issue recommendations. The suit was dismissed this week.

Dr. Pierre Kory, who frequently prescribes ivermectin for COVID-19 and co-authored a meta-analysis that concluded the drug is effective against the illness, told The Epoch Times that the government’s position on ivermectin "is one of the most glaring examples of the corruption of modern evidence based medicine."

"There’s one message they want everyone to understand. And that message is that ivermectin doesn’t work," Kory said. "That’s not a scientific conclusion, that’s theirs. That’s their perverted and distorted interpretation of the data."

The FDA’s media office did not respond to a request for comment.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, a top official at the agency who was its commissioner from January 2021 to February 2022, told The Epoch Times via email that "ivermectin has been shown to be ineffective against COVID in large randomized trials."
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 04:10 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  JUDGE FOR YOURSELF:

As we know, India leaned more to the use of Ivermectin than mRNA Vax.
As it was already in plentiful supply and far less expensive to India citizens


POPULATION.
USA ---------> 334,805,261
INDIA -----> 1,406,631,776

Note: India has 320.13% more population than the USA.

COVID-19 INFECTIONS
USA ------> 101,213,638 (30.23% of population)
INDIA ------> 44,675,509 (03.17% of population)

COVID-19 DEATHS FROM INFECTION
USA ----> 1,109,394 (1.09%
INDIA ----> 530,653 (1.18%)

NOTE: We also know India has a healthcare system far----> far worse than the USA.

India has a LPI 2020 Ranking: 101
USA has a LPI 2020 Ranking: 18
Which might explain the 0.09% higher death rate for INDIA.

Posted by: NN2N1 || 12/10/2022 6:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Looks a lot like this article, posted yesterday.

But I only noticed because I posted the earlier version. This version is perhaps more concise.
Posted by: Bobby || 12/10/2022 8:40 Comments || Top||


'FBI Bigwig Quietly Steps Down Just Before New Congress Probes Begin
[PJ] Leaving big-league politics is a lot like comedy: It’s all about timing.

FBI master-blaster Steven D’Antuono, the top official at the Washington, D.C., FBI office, quietly announced via his LinkedIn page that he had left the Bureau the day before.

"After a 26-year, 10-month career with the FBI, I chose to retire," D’Antuono stated. "Yesterday was my last day."

No warning? No Glen Deveron and Montecristo send-off? Huh.

D’Antuono claims he decided to end his career to "spend more time with family." His decision comes — coincidentally — as the new, Republican-led House of Representatives has promised to give the FBI a much-needed enema.

Republicans from the House Judiciary Committee have named D’Antuono and eight other FBI bigwigs as people who have some prompt ’splainin’ to do.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 00:18 || Comments || Link || [13 views] Top|| File under:

#1  D’Antuono claims he decided to end his career to "spend more time with family."

Yes, yes of course.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 0:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Isn’t this the guy that beats his wife? This time the family time cliche sort of makes me feel like it’s a bad thing unless he is talking about going fishing with his uncle. Everybody else needs to get the restraining order paperwork filed pronto.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 8:44 Comments || Top||

#3  This guy will land somewhere. His next employer most likely a deep state warehouse.
Posted by: Ebbuger Whuque4103 || 12/10/2022 8:56 Comments || Top||

#4  CNN, Twitter, FB, Google, and Wagner all are hiring. Gov't liaison positions oftentimes permit your clearance to be carried over.

Best of luck to you Steve. Don't be a stranger.

* Sorry to have to communicate to you through a blog, but you already know my situation.
Posted by: Ray || 12/10/2022 9:22 Comments || Top||

#5  #2 I'd rather he go fishing with Al Neri.
Posted by: Cesare || 12/10/2022 9:57 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
'Hold on, this is my office and y'all doing this magic?' Florida teacher is fired after video showed her disrupting Muslim students mid-prayer saying 'I believe in Jesus so I'm interrupting the floor'
[Daily Mail, where America gets its news]
  • Shocking footage showed the moment a teacher kicked the hands of Muslim students who were praying as she dismissed it as 'magic'

  • The incident occurred at Franklin Academy charter school in Pembroke Pines, Florida, in what appeared to be a PE classroom

  • 'I believe in Jesus, so I'm interrupting the floor,' the teacher can be heard telling the students in the video

  • School officials said that the teacher was later fired
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Moslem Colonists

#1  So the standard is that anyone that interrupts school prayer will be fired?
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/10/2022 8:49 Comments || Top||

#2 
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 9:25 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
NASA's Orion spacecraft to complete historic moon mission with Pacific splashdown
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 09:42 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Flight surgeon and mission commander nominations.

Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 10:14 Comments || Top||



Is the V-280 Valor the right choice for the Army?


[YouTube] On Monday, the Army announced that Bell’s V-280 Valor has won the Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft (FLRAA) competition aimed at fielding a modern replacement for the legendary UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter. The contract award, potentially worth as much as $1.2 billion, will fund ongoing development of the platform heading toward a production contract worth tens of billions of dollars.

But many have voiced concerns about the Valor's ability to do the job... So we set out to find answers to your most pressing questions.
My take on this as a light infantry guy from the 101st that flew in UH-60s:

I love the fact it is so much faster. I love the fact it can carry 25% more weight for the same squad size (sling load heaven). We never touched our UH-60s down on the ground to unload. A stationary helicopter is a very juicy target. It came in at 10-15mph about 4-5 feet off the ground and we chucked our rucksacks out and jumped. (Really sucked at Camp Lejeune where we had a carpet of plants on a tidal flat and it looked like solid ground at 4 feet, but there was 5 feet of water under that.) With the side doors, that looks possible.

With the UH-60, we could land in very tight LZs in the woods that were technically tighter than the diameter of the rotor. It can take off branches 4in diameter just fine and we did on a regular basis. With the larger V-280, some smaller but closer LZs are not available and you may be landing light infantry 5km further back. That is a long fucking walk with a full combat load and a 80lb pack. 30 minutes to 1 hour away. Also medivacs may have to land farther away. Goodbye golden hour in some situations.

There are trade offs, just like every other military system.

If we are really fighting in the South China Sea, this system will be a godsend and really be useful. If we are fighting in tight jungles, it could be a huge pain in the ass and more trouble than it is worth. I would argue to keep some UH-60 like capability for the jungle type scenario while making the V-280s.

Best of both worlds.
Posted by: DarthVader || 12/10/2022 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  good info, Darth
Posted by: Mercutio || 12/10/2022 9:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Doesn't matter if it's right. It just has to be new.
When the Army came out with the specs for bid for the replacement for the Kiowa (basically a Bell JetRanger), it was "Just like the Kiowa, only different and new."
Posted by: ed in texas || 12/10/2022 9:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Darth, though not a military vet, those were my thoughts exactly.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 12/10/2022 10:49 Comments || Top||

#4  /\ In my view....American taxpayers are "veterans" as well !

* Thank you for sending me to college at your expense not once, but three times.

* Thank you for paying my wages, benefits, and retirement.

* Thank you for providing housing for may family.

* Thank you for providing elementary school for my children.

* Thank you for covering the cost of my cancer treatment at Bethesda Naval Hospital.

* Thank you for TRICARE medical coverage.

Thank you !



Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2022 11:11 Comments || Top||

#5  My take on this from the TOC...this is a QRF support system that can launch from much farther away, carry a team and sling a battle-ready 'last mile' transport and still arrive in a timely fashion.
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 13:02 Comments || Top||

#6  A Reality Check On The Army Picking V-280 Valor Over SB>1 Defiant
Posted by: Skidmark || 12/10/2022 13:10 Comments || Top||

#7  I do think I would like to see a modular version that would allow fork lift removal of either rotor assembly for maintenance without removing the entire airframe from service.
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