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Breck Girl Amits it. But I wasn't in Love


John Edwards repeatedly lied during his Presidential campaign about an extra-marital affair with a novice film-maker, the former Senator admitted to ABC News today.

In an interview for broadcast tonight on Nightline, Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 42-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her.

Edwards also denied he was the father of Hunter's baby girl, Frances Quinn, although the one-time Democratic Presidential candidate said he has not taken a paternity test.

Edwards said he knew he was not the father based on timing of the baby's birth on February 27, 2008. He said his affair ended too soon for him to have been the father.

A former campaign aide, Andrew Young, has said he was the father of the child
Posted by: Beavis || 08/08/2008 15:03 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6531 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In an interview for broadcast tonight on Nightline, Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 42-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her.

That's great, Pretty Boy. Makes you sound like an even bigger asshole, if that's possible.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/08/2008 16:06 Comments || Top||


#3  I shot the sheriff. But I did not shoot the deputy.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 08/08/2008 18:27 Comments || Top||

#4  I did not impregnate inhale
Posted by: Bubba Clinton Edwards || 08/08/2008 19:50 Comments || Top||

#5  I don't get how a Republican senator who alledgedly puts his foot under a bathroom stall has to resign when a donk senator or even president who admits adultery gets to stay in office.
Posted by: treo || 08/08/2008 21:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Craig should've resigned. This lying PO should be given a gun and a glass of whiskey sherry and told to do the honorable thing. 10:1 he doesn't have an idea what that is
Posted by: Frank G on the road || 08/08/2008 21:49 Comments || Top||


Africa North
Mauritania junta pledges free polls
Leaders of a military coup in Mauritania promised on Thursday to hold a "free and transparent" presidential election as soon as possible, defying foreign calls to reinstate the country's first freely elected president.

Soldiers ousted President Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi on Wednesday after he tried to dismiss military chiefs widely suspected of supporting the president's opponents in a political crisis in Africa's newest oil producer. It was Africa's first successful coup since some of the same soldiers ousted the Islamic republic's previous president three years and three days earlier, and it drew international condemnation and demands for Abdallahi's return.

But many local politicians threw their weight behind the coup. Some planned a march on Thursday in support of the "High State Council" set up by presidential guard chief Mohamed Ould Abdelaziz, who led the coup after Abdallahi tried to sack him.

The 11-strong junta said it would work with Mauritanian politicians and civic groups to organise a presidential election "to renew the democratic process on a sustainable basis". "These elections, which will be organised in as short a time as possible, will be free and transparent," it said in a statement published by national news agency AMI.

The council pledged to respect treaties and other commitments binding Mauritania, which spans Arab and black Africa at the western edge of the Sahara and has close ties with many Arab states. It is also one of the few Arab countries to have diplomatic relations with Israel.

Abdallahi, who was arrested on Wednesday with his prime minister and interior minister, won elections last year after a 2005 coup, also instigated by Abdelaziz, which ended years of dictatorship under President Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya. But Abdallahi had encountered a series of crises in a country where food and fuel price rises had increased hardship. He fired one government in May and another cabinet resigned in July when faced with the prospect of a vote of no confidence.
This article starring:
Mohamed Ould Abdelaziz
Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi
Posted by: Fred || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, that's nice. They'll be able to choose witch murderous fiend that they want to run the country.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/08/2008 9:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Actually, I think the whole reason for the coup was that the duly-elected President was appointing all his family and friends to high position, screwing the nation every way he could, and lying about it. The Mauritanian military holds the same position as their Turkish brothers - they guarantee a free, secular government. The Mauritanians aren't terribly fond of Soddy Arabida and Iran, though they have diplomatic relations with both.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/08/2008 21:43 Comments || Top||


Ousted Mauritanian leader's daughter appeals to UN
The daughter of Mauritania's ousted president appealed to the United Nations on Thursday to open talks to restore the country's elected government.
I think I mighta seen this movie...
"On behalf of my imprisoned father ... I wish to send a heartfelt and urgent plea to the United Nations and the international community to open a constructive dialogue to restore the country's rightfully elected government and institutions at the earliest opportunity," Abdallahi's daughter said in a statement released through a British spokesman. "My family and I are currently under house arrest and our communications with the outside world are restricted. Please help us return democracy to the people of Mauritania," Amal Mint Cheikh Abdallahi said. The spokesman said Abdallahi and his daughter were being held separately under house arrest. He had no information about the ousted president.
Posted by: Fred || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The United Nations!!!
Oh, hardy har har!!!
He'll die of old age before it gets to committee.
They'll spend the first 2 years debating the technical definition of arrest.
Good luck doll, they only thing he has going for him is that he is a dictator. Maybe Russia and China can swing something for you.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/08/2008 9:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I think I mighta seen this movie

Was Shirley Temple in it?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/08/2008 16:07 Comments || Top||


Mauritania: United States Halts Aid After Coup
Posted by: Fred || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Armed Cossacks pour in to fight Georgians
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 20:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6489 views] Top|| File under:


Turkish man sets self on fire in anti-China protest
A Turkish man set himself on fire during a protest by ethnic Uighurs in front of the Chinese embassy in Turkey on Friday against China's rule in the region of Xinjiang as Beijing opened the Olympics.

The man was sent to an Ankara hospital after police put out the flames, state Anatolian news agency said.

Uighurs are a Turkic people who share linguistic and cultural bonds with central Asia.

Xinjiang is home to 8 million Muslim Uighurs, many of whom resent the growing presence and economic grip of Han Chinese.

Exiled Uighurs have campaigned for an independent country.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/08/2008 15:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6495 views] Top|| File under:


Russian Intel Ship Spotted Near Okinawa: Report
TOKYO - A Russian navy intelligence ship has been in the Pacific off Japan's southern island of Okinawa, possibly to monitor radio wave data from U.S. forces, Japan's Kyodo News reported Aug. 8.

A Japanese destroyer found the ship moving and stopping repeatedly in the high seas some 30-60 kilometers (18-37 miles) east of the island of Okinawa on Aug. 6, the report said, citing Japanese Defense Ministry sources.

The Russian vessel stopped its engines and began floating the afternoon of Aug. 7 at a point some 70 kilometers east of the southern tip of the island, Kyodo said.

More than half of the 40,000 U.S. troops in Japan are based in Okinawa.

U.S. troops are stationed in Japan under a security treaty with the country, which has been constitutionally pacifist since World War II.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 14:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6488 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Russians bomb Georgian bases while Putin and Bush are in Beijing, all at the same time. Something even bigger up?
Posted by: Danielle || 08/08/2008 15:49 Comments || Top||

#2  INTERFAX/OTHER > RUSSIAN TU-160's CONDUCT/COMPLETE BOMBER FLIGHTS OVER ARCTIC, NORTH ATLANTIC OCEANS.

Like Macarthur, they have returned [to base].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 23:19 Comments || Top||


Georgia surrounds rebel capital. Russia sends in tanks, warplanes
Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 03:13 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6542 views] Top|| File under:

#1  latest is Georgia claims to have shot down 2 Russian planes.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 9:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Fox news clips shows what looks like all-out war
Posted by: Frank G || 08/08/2008 9:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Russia sent in tanks:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

This has the potential to get reeeealll ugly, real fast.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/08/2008 10:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Im hearing basically 1 MRD, 1Mech and an armored divsion, along with Corps elements and an avaiation front are set on the Russian side. Thats some serious business going on there if true.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 10:27 Comments || Top||

#5  Are any American trainers still in Georgia?
Posted by: Danielle || 08/08/2008 10:55 Comments || Top||

#6  High mountains along the border with a single road/tunnel across the border. Georgian troops in established positions within a few Ks of the road from the border to the main city. Russia risks having its forces trapped and/or attacked while in convoy. I don't like Russia's chances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SO2.jpg
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 11:09 Comments || Top||

#7  A Russian armored corps in South Ossetia is basically a bloody scrapheap waiting to happen, if it gets hot enough & the Georgians are stubborn enough about facing down the bear. Have you *looked* at the aerial imagery of that province? There's one road across the border to the capital, and it's at the bottom of a hellacious mountain gorge. The Georgians don't even have to occupy it, they can just bring it under artillery interdiction.

I've never understood the attraction of South Ossetia to the Russian elites. Abkhazia at least has a port. What, they don't have enough mafia-infested, economically depressed shitholes on their side of the Caucasus?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/08/2008 11:20 Comments || Top||

#8  Does anyone know what kind of weaponry Georgia has?
Posted by: DoDo || 08/08/2008 11:40 Comments || Top||

#9  T-55s, T-72s
Mostly older Russian stuff.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/08/2008 11:42 Comments || Top||

#10  They do/did have US trainers and adisors. ANd they have plenty of tactical rockets. Combine that with the narrow points...
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 11:53 Comments || Top||

#11  They've invested heavily in newer model T-72s in the last five years, according to Global Security, and reversed a planned reduction in manpower. They probably have as many tanks available as the Russian force which is picking its way down that precarious mountain road to Tskhinvali. If not as shiny-new as whatever the 58th Army is fielding.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Georgians don't have American anti-tank weaponry of some sort in their armories - we've been training them for years. In that sort of terrain, it's going to be beastly for tankers.

I'm kind of surprised that the Georgians have as many tanks as they do in their inventory. They've got more armor than I would have expected for a small army (~24,000) in a mountainous country.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/08/2008 11:55 Comments || Top||

#12  If the Russians really get serious, they'll just rocket/bomb Tblisi into rubble.
Posted by: mrp || 08/08/2008 12:15 Comments || Top||

#13  or invade Georgia proper.
Posted by: john frum || 08/08/2008 12:25 Comments || Top||

#14  There's an oil pipeline in the region. Let's hope they don't invade Georgia proper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan_pipeline
Posted by: Harcourt Glaith4128 || 08/08/2008 12:38 Comments || Top||

#15  As of noon the oil traders haven't noticed that a major oil-producing nation invaded the lynch-pin on a major pipeline. Oil's still down three-and-a-half bucks.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/08/2008 12:41 Comments || Top||

#16  There is no oil flowing through that pipeline at the moment. The PKK blew it up last week.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 12:43 Comments || Top||

#17 
DEBKAfile’s geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.

The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines.

Saakashvili need only back away from this plan for Moscow to ditch the two provinces’ revolt against Tbilisi. As long as he sticks to his guns, South Ossetia and Abkhazia will wage separatist wars.

DEBKAfile discloses Israel’s interest in the conflict from its exclusive military sources:

Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow’s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected.

Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.

These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

In recent weeks, Moscow has repeatedly demanded that Jerusalem halt its military assistance to Georgia, finally threatening a crisis in bilateral relations. Israel responded by saying that the only assistance rendered Tbilisi was “defensive.”

This has not gone down well in the Kremlin. Therefore, as the military crisis intensifies in South Ossetia, Moscow may be expected to punish Israel for its intervention.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 13:05 Comments || Top||

#18  Okay, a little devil's advocacy here.


How is Russia's move to SO any different than NATOs move into Kosovo?
Posted by: AlanC || 08/08/2008 13:26 Comments || Top||

#19  Maybe now would be a good time for the AF to push for more F-22s.
Posted by: mrp || 08/08/2008 13:34 Comments || Top||

#20  Perhaps Old Spook and Badanov could model this scenario in their war game engine and tell us how it turns out ...
Posted by: Steve White || 08/08/2008 13:48 Comments || Top||

#21  #5, #10 there about 800 DOD personal in Georgia and Abkhazia as late as 2 months ago.
There's also been talk of an u.s. airbase in Georgia.
Posted by: linker || 08/08/2008 13:48 Comments || Top||

#22  About a million refugees flooding all of South Ossetia's neighbors? The fact that NATO didn't have a string of Kosovos on every other border - Abkhazia, Transdienstria, the bullying of Ukraine and Estonia, etc? The fact that NATO hadn't spent the previous decade leveling, oh say, Sarajevo with massed artillery fire?

We're talking about a province with less than five thousand ethnic Russians and maybe twenty-five thousand Ossetians. It isn't exactly the Sudetenland, let alone Krajina.

And Russia's "peacekeepers" would be more credible if the troops weren't exclusively next-door neighbors. It's as if KFOR was staffed entirely by Albanian nationals.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/08/2008 13:58 Comments || Top||

#23  No f-22's needed. Just give theit arty FASCAM (MLRS delivery would do the trick) and a pile of TOW missiles.

That narrow single road for resupply is a tactical nightmare, and a strategic choke point.

Just a single MCLC would be enough to stopper things tight for a while.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 14:00 Comments || Top||

#24  ALanC wrote: "How is Russia's move to SO any different than NATOs move into Kosovo?"

NATO's move into Kosovo was to prevent another round of ethnic cleansing in that region.
Georgia, as far as I'm aware, wasn't planning on doing any such thing.
Posted by: Harcourt Glaith4128 || 08/08/2008 14:00 Comments || Top||

#25  How is Russia's move to SO any different than NATOs move into Kosovo?

Neither Uncle Sam nor any other member of NATO is about to annex Kosovo. South Ossetia will probably become a Russian province, once the Russians gain control of it. NATO members were disinterested observers with respect to Kosovo, from a territorial standpoint. Russia isn't one, in the case of South Ossetia. The true historical analog is to the Soviet attempt to annex Iran's Azerbaijan province in 1946 - Uncle Joe backed down after Truman promised Iran full support.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/08/2008 14:07 Comments || Top||

#26  According to report from Fox this morning, they were reporting that the American troops left a few days ago.

Also just heard on the radio, that Georgia is pulling it's troops from Iraq -- apparently, they think they are gonna need them.
Posted by: Sherry || 08/08/2008 14:13 Comments || Top||

#27  Don't forget the Devil's Advocate part of my question 'kay?

Now, as far as that goes; SO is a breakaway province of Georgia like Kosovo was a breakaway from Serbia.

NATO presumed to help the separatists; Russia is presuming to help the separatists.

Granted the motivational differences it's still a case of a third party invading to support a revolutionary movement.

Either this is always bad; or always good; OR we have to admit that there is no principle involved but that each case is different.

You have to be careful that your principles don't back you into a corner such as having to support Saddam cause your principle denies any right at anytime to invade. Also known as hoist on one's own petard.

Personally I hope Georgia manages to survive but I fear the Russians are back to their old evil ways. Is Georigia this decades Afghanistan for Russia?
Posted by: AlanC || 08/08/2008 14:23 Comments || Top||

#28  According to Sky News:

Georgia has 26,900 troops, Russia has 641,000.
Georgia has 82 tanks, Russia has 6,717.
Georgia has 7 combat aircraft, Russia has 1,200.
Posted by: Nero Omith1484 || 08/08/2008 15:35 Comments || Top||

#29  Now, as far as that goes; SO is a breakaway province of Georgia like Kosovo was a breakaway from Serbia.

That's wrong. SO is a breakaway province of Georgia like Austria or the Sudetenland were breakaway provinces of Germany.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/08/2008 15:39 Comments || Top||

#30  So, let's just sit back and let the Euros handle it. They're so more nuanced in these matters. /sarcasm off.

Wonder if they're checking their shorts in the capitals over there today? It was fun making hay of pillaring the US for the last 8+ years when they thought the 'old days' were over. Maybe the Nobel committee can give their trinket to Puty this year for 'restoring' peace through conquest.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/08/2008 16:06 Comments || Top||

#31  That doesn't scan right, either, Zhang. It's a rebellious province which is demographically distinct from the rest of a country based on nationality. It isn't very much like the Kosovo situation, because religion isn't a factor, but it's a closer analogy than, say, Austria. Unless Russia's the Germany in this situation.

And that forces comparison of Georgia & Russia looks outdated, Nero. Georgia has a significant National Guard which they're mobilizing, and they have twice as many tanks as what Sky has listed. See here.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/08/2008 16:15 Comments || Top||

#32  PhilB #6: Russia said it's already at Tskhinvali, so where is the choke-point mentioned by you? I'm trying to find it on the map, but the only one-road area I see is a spot that has supposedly already been passed.
Posted by: Charles || 08/08/2008 16:16 Comments || Top||

#33  Charles: The head of the road is in Tskhinvali, but the interdictable section is up by the border. It's not a big province, it probably could take a battalion of armor an hour or an hour-and-a-half to get from the border to Tskhinvali.

But it won't help the 58th Army to be in Tskhinvali if their lines of communication are cut back on the border. It just means they're exposed as hell if the Georgians can get cross-country in their rear onto that road - at Vaneli, I would imagine. See this map.

Georgia is a mountain country, and surrounded on every side by imposing crags. If the American advisers haven't been emphasizing cross-country mountain infantry training, then somebody needs to be sacked.
Posted by: Mitch H. || 08/08/2008 16:30 Comments || Top||

#34  Bad news from the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline - an installation that may not normally draw much of your attention, but which is a throbbing artery of global energy supply, carrying vital oil supplies from Central Asia towards a tanker terminal on the Turkish coast. On some remote, sun-baked plain of Anatolia, an explosion sparked a fire earlier this week, temporarily cutting the flow through the pipeline.

So - Premeditation on the part of Russia?
Sort of like AQ killing the Lion?

Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 17:02 Comments || Top||

#35  GlobalSecurity on Georgia Military
Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 17:34 Comments || Top||

#36  BBC just reported that Russian jets have bombed several targets in Georgia (not South Ossetia), including a port. Martial law imminent in Georgia.
Posted by: Javique White1781 || 08/08/2008 17:54 Comments || Top||

#37  You people really need to access "Atlas Shrugs" before you defend the Kosovo and Bosnia rat-holes. If you haven't taken the time to read the imperialist "Islamic Declaration" of 1970, then you are guilty of wilfull blindness to Muslim designs for the Balkans. Serbs read that document and chose to pre-empt ethnic cleansing, with ethnic cleansing. For your own security: devalue Muslim life. Islam is a global plague that needs to be wiped out. Their pseudo-pundit defenders are their dhimmis (Arabic for useful idiot).

Russia: concentrate your pre-emptive defense policies on the real enemy.

Posted by: Ebbineth Prince of the Hatfields4375 || 08/08/2008 18:06 Comments || Top||

#38  Charles, go to Roki tunnel in Google Earth and follow the road south. I'm no military strategist, but even I can see it would take a lot of infantry to secure that road.

If Russia is going to escalate they will come through Abkhazia into Georgia.

The topography is the opposite of Chechnya. You have to get through the mountains to reach the lowlands.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 18:54 Comments || Top||

#39  from a link in a comment on BelmontClub....
Atlantic: Smuggling weapons-grade uranium - South Ossetia
Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 18:54 Comments || Top||

#40  Lets see, you little would-be genocidal maniac... ets walk your words back 70 years...

You people really need to access "Mein Kampf" before you defend the Polish and French rat-holes. If you haven't taken the time to read the imperialist "Priories of Zion", then you are guilty of wilfull blindness to Jewish designs for Europe. Germans read that document and chose to pre-empt ethnic cleansing, with ethnic cleansing. For your own security: devalue Jewish life. Judiasm is a global plague that needs to be wiped out. Their pseudo-pundit defenders are their goyim kurva (Yiddish for useful whores).

F**k you and the pestilent hate-filled nazi shithole you were bred from.

We are better than that.

Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 18:57 Comments || Top||

#41  This map shows a Georgian security zone cutting the road 30Ks north of Tshinvali. Which makes me sceptical Russian armor has actually travelled down that road.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 19:08 Comments || Top||

#42  Give them a MCLC at the Roki tunnel, and the Russians are out of red-ball roads and out of supply.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 19:13 Comments || Top||

#43  Georgia has 26,900 troops, Russia has 641,000.
Georgia has 82 tanks, Russia has 6,717.
Georgia has 7 combat aircraft, Russia has 1,200.


Fully mobilized I seriously doubt the Russians have more than 100,00 combatants total in this fight. A standard Russian army like the 58th Army is less than 30,000 guys getting shot at.

The whole of the Russian Transsaucusus Front, the main parent unit of the now active Russian 58th Army, total has less than 300,00 combatants under arms. Also, most of the units in the 58th Army the main operational component for the Russian Army were Category II or less, meaning whatever is in the field fighting are mainly fillers.

Reports I heard there were about 150 armor vehicles total which translates into roughly a brigade sized element, likely the only unit of any size so far mobilized

Expect Russian casualties regardless of their success against Georgia to be frightfully high.
Russians love their armor units and have yet to re-learn the value of light infantry in close country like the Transcaucusus.

What I saw in filmed reports is that a lot of their dismounted infantry wearing garrison caps and do-rags. 24 hours in good sniper country would cure that you would think except that that is how the Russian Army operated during the worst of the Chechen War.

Pity the PBI.

Watching film on TV today I saw a wide spread of Russian equipment including MT-LBs, BMP-1s and 72BM1s, T-80UMs, BMD1s, 2S3s ( 152mm SP artilery ) and MI-24s.

Not top of the line equipment, so my conclusion is that these are not Russian line units participating in this operation.

Russian doctrine regarding use of armor in mountainous regions is pretty straightforward. Emphasis will be on controlling urban areas, roads and mountain passes, and yes they will send in armor in area you would think light infantry would suffice.
Posted by: badanov || 08/08/2008 19:28 Comments || Top||

#44  'If Russia is going to escalate they will come through Abkhazia into Georgia.' phil_b #38

found this

The Georgian Times

Abkhazia Deploys Troops at Border

At 6am on August 8 Abkhaz forces, including artillery systems and multiple rocket launchers started heading from Ochamchire district to the administrative border at the Enguri river, Interfax news agency reported.

Earlier on August 8, following the after midnight session of the Abkhaz national security council, Sergey Bagapsh, the Abkhaz leader, told Interfax that the decision was taken to reinforce the Abkhaz border amid clashes in South Ossetia.

Area across the administrative border is a security zone, according to the 1994 Moscow ceasefire agreement, which bans presence of heavy military equipment within the zone.
Civil Georgia
2008.08.08 07:42
Posted by: linker || 08/08/2008 19:48 Comments || Top||

#45  See KOMMERSANT for various news threads > seems RUSSIA HAS WARNED WEST/NATO ABOUT FURTHER SUPPORT OF GEORGIA, to include blaming the West for "mighty propagnada support" + giving Georgia a green light = A-OKAY to conduct a military operation agz South Ossetia. EU > in turn, has DEMANDED AN END TO FIGHTING + RUSS INCURSION.

Also from KOMMERSANT > Russia has accused Georgia of deliber killing or murdering wounded Russian Peacekeepers during a takeover + engaging in local "ethnic cleansing" [War Crimes]???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 21:25 Comments || Top||

#46  REDDIT > GUARDIAN.UK - GEORGIAN PRESIDENT ASKS FOR US HELP [Intervention] AGZ RUSSIA; + RUSSIATODAY.RU > GEORGIA AND SOUTH OSSETIA AT WAR: WILL NATO ABSORB GEORGIA AND UNLEASH A WIDER WAR [agz RUSSIA]???

US sending an Envoy.

TOPIX > GEORGIA ASKS US, NATO FOR DIPLOMATIC AND MILITARY ASSISTANCE AGZ RUSSIAN ATTACK.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 22:17 Comments || Top||

#47  DEFENSETECH.org > GEORGIA VS. RUSSIA > POSTER claims that Russia is CUTTING OFF THE WESTERN AIR ROUTE INTO AFGHANISTAN, and also argues that after Russ suborns Georgia AZERBAIJAN may be next on the Russ agenda??? IOW, RUSSIA NEEDS TO ASSURE US FAILURE OR CONTAINMENT IN PAKISTAN-AFGHAN VV ISLAMIST MILITANTS???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 22:29 Comments || Top||

#48  INTERFAX > ZHIRINOVSKY: ABKHAZIA, SOUTH OSSETIA SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT + ABKHAZIA: GEORGIA BUILDING UP MILITARY MIGHT ALONG ITS BORDERS + ABKHAZIA SENDING MILITARY FORMATIONS TO BORDER WITH GEORGIA.

Also from SAME > ARMENIA: NAGORNO-KARABAKH SHOULD BE PART OF ANY CONFLICT SETTLEMENT PROCESS.

* TOPIX > AZERBAIJAN MAY REQUEST RUSSIAN MILITARY ASSISTANCE IFF GEORGIA-SOUTH OSSETIA WAR SPREADS.

Looks like VLADVEDEV = RUSSIA is all but formally demanding to be attacked and conquered by Radical Islam???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 23:28 Comments || Top||


Georgia Into South Ossetia, "Volunteers" Heading South
Russia has been backing South Ossetia's move toward "autonomy" to keep Georgia in line.

This could get interesting.
Posted by: Elmeater Unavitle7469 || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under:

#1  VARIOUS WAFF.com Threads > e.g. GEORGIA INVADES SOUTH OSSETIA - RUSSIA WARNS MAY [militarily?]INTERVEN ON SOUTH OSSETIAN SIDE.

IMO, Russia now formally recognizes that Radical Islam is intent on the [pro-Islamist] destabilizing and domination of CENTRAL ASIA INCLUD FORMER SOVIET SSRS + INDUCE NEW BREAKUP OF POST-USSR RUSSIA AMAP. It feels its position in Eurasia is steadily becom threatened by China on one side + Nuclearizing Iran = Radical Islam on the other.

USA > WAR OUTSIDE OF IRAQ proper; versus RUSSIA > WAR OUTSIDE OF CHECHNYA, SOUTH OSSETIA, ETC.???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 1:55 Comments || Top||

#2  The only option for the Russians is a large scale troop deployment. In effect, invade S Ossetia. I personally doubt they will, but I'm by no means sure.
Posted by: phil_b || 08/08/2008 3:32 Comments || Top||

#3  phil_b:

Invade S. Ossetia? Hell, Russia will probably invade Georgia.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/08/2008 9:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Nothing much will happen: Georgia will get a new president, one who lives in a real world.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/08/2008 16:45 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
China eyeing base in Bay of Bengal?
NEW DELHI: Is China marking space for itself in Myanmar's Coco Islands again? India is suddenly up and alert after senior Chinese naval officers recently visited the islands to "upgrade" facilities there.

On June 25, according to reports reaching India, in an unpublicised visit, a Chinese naval delegation led by Col Chi Ziong Feng, accompanied a Myanmarese delegation headed by Brig Gen Win Shein, into the Coco Islands.

According to sources, Brig Gen Shein is commander of Ayeyarwaddy (Irrawaddy) naval headquarters, which controls the island.

According to sources monitoring developments, China decided to help Myanmar upgrade systems in the island.

Myanmar would increase its naval troop strength on the island, while China would help in building two more helipads and storage systems for arms. What was of greater interest to India was that China reportedly agreed to "upgrade" communication facilities on the island.

Interestingly, this was also around the time that Indian minister of state for power Jairam Ramesh was in Myanmar adding to India's development presence there by signing four economic cooperation agreements with the Myanmar government.

The Coco Islands have always been part myth, part Indian and Chinese jostling in the Indian Ocean. But there have never been a stop to reports of China building a listening post in the Great Coco Island, which is close enough to the Andamans and the Straits of Malacca to be of concern to India.

In fact, after much persuasion, India managed to get the Myanmarese to take some officials to Coco Islands in 2006 to see the island for themselves as well as a couple of other islands of concern to India like Hangyii and Kyakpu. Indian representatives were allowed to tour the island. They did not find much.

Even the radar was rudimentary, bought off some ship and not working. The Indian government came to the conclusion that the Myanmarese are either too clever by half or they're not showing everything to India or they had been correct all along. Whatever it was, India stopped its public cribbing about Coco.

The issue was, however, never buried. After the recent visit, India's assessment says the possibility of more helipads on Coco Islands might indicate a Chinese interest in air surveillance of Indian aircraft, ships or facilities.

It took a visit like this to get the Indians to sit up. As of now, Indian officials say they are "concerned, but not alarmed".

After all, despite India ramping up its own presence in Myanmar, China remains its biggest friend, philosopher and guide. For the moment, India remains in a "watch and wait" mode, particularly since its own relations with China are very complex at the present moment.

But it wants to watch out for activity, particularly on the construction of helipads and building more communication posts that will signal danger. India's Far East Command, which operates out of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, is well situated to inderdict vessels passing through Malacca Straits.
Posted by: john frum || 08/08/2008 15:45 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6488 views] Top|| File under:

#1  China has an oil lifeline to defend. It's either piped overland or comes by the sea. This seems a logical move.

Actually more logical would be a bunch of nuke plants and electric cars to get them off of oil. I could be wrong but I suspect most Chinese driving is commuting and not long drive through the country.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/08/2008 16:32 Comments || Top||


White House press plane detained 3 hrs by Chinese
Chinese authorities unclear on the concept - this is certainly a respone to Bush's comments on political rights but do they really think the journos are Bush's allies or that detaining them so that they couldn't cover his opening of the new US embassy is a slap at the president?

Hell, they probably improved his positives by a couple percentage points just by preventing those stories. chuckle
Posted by: lotp || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Only three hours? Bush should have demanded much longer. And maybe he should have hinted that all of the press dweebs were muling in large amounts of illegal drugs...
Posted by: PBMcL || 08/08/2008 1:19 Comments || Top||

#2  We screw with them, they screw with us, what's not to understand.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/08/2008 10:01 Comments || Top||

#3  If "custom of the port" is standard policy for foreign press coming here, it is a major security risk. With current terrorist threats for the Olympics, I think the Chinese have shown prudence.
Posted by: Danielle || 08/08/2008 11:15 Comments || Top||

#4  I predict that this will not be the last time some of them are detained in China.
Posted by: Darrell || 08/08/2008 12:36 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Edwards admits to affair, denies fathering child
10 to 1 the baby is his. DNA test pending.


Edwards admits to affair, denies fathering child

Aug 8 03:18


WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards on Friday admitted to an extramarital affair while his wife was battling cancer. He denied fathering the woman's daughter.
Edwards told ABC News that he lied repeatedly about the affair with a 42-year-old woman but said that he didn't love her. He said he has not taken a paternity test but knows he isn't the father because of the timing of the affair and the birth.

ABC said a former Edwards campaign staffer claims he is the father, not Edwards.

In 2006, Edwards' political action committee paid $100,000 in a four-month span to a newly formed firm run by Rielle Hunter, who directed the production of just four Web videos, one a mere 2 1/2 minutes long.

Hunter's daughter, Frances Quinn Hunter, was born on Feb. 27, 2008, and no father's name is given on the birth certificate filed in California.

Edwards was a top contender for the Democratic nomination for president. He placed second in the Iowa caucuses last January but dropped out of the race a few weeks later.

Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2004.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Posted by: Full Bosomed1072 || 08/08/2008 15:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6489 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Edwards told ABC News that he lied repeatedly about the affair with a 42-year-old woman but said that he didn't love her.

"I wuz jus bangin' her fer fun."
Posted by: Mike || 08/08/2008 17:09 Comments || Top||

#2  He's going to admit to it in stages.
Posted by: gorb || 08/08/2008 17:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Modified limited hangout.

(You young'uns can google it LOL)
Posted by: lotp || 08/08/2008 18:03 Comments || Top||

#4  "he lied repeatedly about the affair with a 42-year-old woman but said that he didn't love her"

Now that just might piss her off enough to start talking to the press (through a good attorney, of course). Presuming it's really his kid (pretty good presumption right about now), she can take a rich arrogant guy like that to the cleaners for child support.

What I can't figure is why Andrew Young's wife puts up with this crap (either way) - she on the short end of a pre-nup or something?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/08/2008 18:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Obamessiah not available for comment... out of town, he and Pelosi planned his vacation months, no years ago. The vacation had nothing to do with Breck Boy's news release of course. Just a coincidence Edwards wasn't listed on the donk convention speaking agenda.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/08/2008 18:14 Comments || Top||

#6  Take him off the short list for BO's Supremes pick(s). He may still qualify for AG in a Dem regime.
Posted by: regular joe || 08/08/2008 18:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Jeez, she is some kinda new age spiritual advisor to the campaign, banging the candidate and staff too? Was she lifting their spirits and relieving their stress?

Man, maybe I should become a Democrat if the women are that easy!
Posted by: A_Rovian_Desciple || 08/08/2008 18:23 Comments || Top||

#8  Edwards says it's not his.

Obama's?
Posted by: no mo uro || 08/08/2008 21:13 Comments || Top||

#9  The funniest thing I heard on NPR was a journalist explaining the Edwards-pluking-an-intern story with a sympathetic spin, of course. At one point the journo indirectly quoted Edwards as saying
"I was 99% honest [about the affair]!".

Posted by: Herman Spaper1682 || 08/08/2008 21:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Too bad Hillary isn't running, it would make a great campaign commercial;

Voice-over: It's three AM in the morning, a phone is ringing in the White House.
Edwards: Hello, it's John. The press just found out I was cheating on my wife. What am I going to do?! ...
Voice-over: Only one candidate has the experience to deal with this kind of crisis ...
Posted by: DMFD || 08/08/2008 21:38 Comments || Top||


Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors
The Obamessiah's henchmen break out the brown shirts...
Nearly 10,000 of the biggest donors to Republican candidates and causes across the country will probably receive a foreboding "warning" letter in the mail next week.

The warning letter is intended as a first step, alerting donors who might be considering giving to right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers, including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives.
Note: that's the NYT saying "right wing" and falling in the Nazi Democrat Party Line of terminology.
The letter is an opening shot across the bow from an unusual new outside political group on the left that is poised to engage in hardball tactics to prevent similar groups on the right from getting off the ground this fall.

Led by Tom Matzzie, a liberal political operative who has been involved with some prominent left-wing efforts in recent years, the newly formed nonprofit group, Accountable America, is planning to confront donors to conservative groups, hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions. [that is, to try to suppress political speech they do not approve of by threats and intimidation]
They are targeting "Freedom's Watch" right off the bat. Brought to you by the same asshat that ran the "General "Betrey-Us" ad. The fascists truly are on the left now.
The targeted groups generally are snickering and point out that the last group Matzzie formed failed for lack of funding. Perhaps even Soros understands that this guy is a mutt?
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 10:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6502 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fred (et al) We dont have a "brownshirts" graphic so I had to use the SS Tanker.

Can you add these to the bunch for BrowshirtSA




Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 10:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I didn't think they would be able to keep up the facade once Obama started slipping in the polls. Watch for more threats and even violence against those that oppose them.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/08/2008 11:03 Comments || Top||

#3  And here you go for a musical version of what Obama's followers will bring (fromthe movie Cabaret)...



One must recall that the Nazis were much like this song, and Obama's far left people are following the same pattern - starting out innocently enough, but ending with the beat of the jackboot.

Also recall that the Nazis offical name was NSDAP: National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei. The National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler did actually have pro labor programs as part of his platform, and was, liek Obama, a beleiver in the Big State, and Socialism.

Consider it a warning. Many of our young people much like the ones depcited here, will, in ignorance, not realize what they have done until it is too late.

Me, I know my history, and I've stared evil in the face, as have those in this generation who have been fighting the war on islamofacist terror. And they are what gives me hope in the face of the cataclysm the left wants to bring to us. They know not only the cost of freedom, but its value.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 11:16 Comments || Top||

#4  ..will, in ignorance, not realize what they have done until it is too late.

And then spend the rest of their lives rationalizing it. A few, a very few, will regain the souls they sold by open admission of that human folly.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/08/2008 11:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Wonder if they'll send an autographed picture of George Clooney along with it?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/08/2008 11:51 Comments || Top||

#6  You know, I'm probably going to vote for McCain, although I don't particularly care for him. I wasn't, however, going to give him or any other candidate any cash. If I get one of those letters though, I'm good for at least $500 to both McCain and my Congressman. I'd do it just to show those scum what I think of their intimidation.

It's going to be good to see Bama get his butt kicked. The Dims are going to go slap effing berserk when they realize they've done it to themselves yet again.
Posted by: Hupiling the Galactic Hero1106 || 08/08/2008 12:34 Comments || Top||

#7  thanks again, Rantburg, for another reminder of why i've never bothered to remove myself from the getaMoveOn mailing list for all these years --

-- daily updates of what those weasels are up to.
Posted by: Querent || 08/08/2008 13:04 Comments || Top||

#8  To me this is more sharia-like than Nazi-like.
Posted by: mhw || 08/08/2008 13:17 Comments || Top||

#9  Totalitarian is as totalitarian does, mhw.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/08/2008 13:20 Comments || Top||

#10  Sharia and the end result of Socialism (National Socialism included) are remarkably similar given they involve suppression of free speech, suppression of "wrong thinking", suppression of a given group of people, and disdain for the lives of those that oppose them, and both have produced mega-scale deaths (look into Islams spread into India for huge amounts of mass executions and genocidal acts).

Also recall the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in WW2 supported the Nazis and their treatment of jews.

Birds of a feather?
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 13:25 Comments || Top||

#11  They told me that if George W. Bush were re-elected, wealthy special interests would launch a campaign of intimidation against free speech and political dissent--and they were right!

(Apologies to the Instapundit for borrowing one of his stock phrases.)
Posted by: Mike || 08/08/2008 13:44 Comments || Top||

#12  OldSpook, thanks for that film clip reminder, it's a powerful one.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/08/2008 14:04 Comments || Top||

#13  check out Matzzie (widescreen necessary) at AOSHQ:
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=270269

excellent takedowns
Posted by: Frank G on the road || 08/08/2008 22:03 Comments || Top||


Obama Set to Take a Week Off the Trail
Posted by: Fred || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6468 views] Top|| File under:

#1  His ratings are getting weak and weaker vv MCCAIN, even among Dem voters and despite promoting the Dems' "talking points", AND BILLARY KNOWS IT!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/08/2008 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  McCain Sets up a town hall meeting with military families, and Obama declines and goes to Hawaii on vaction for a fund raiser instead.

Combine this with the Landstuhl snub, and the picture of his true disdain for the military is becoming quite clear.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 2:34 Comments || Top||

#3  But will there be more gaffes while he's 'on vacation'? I'll miss his feet-in-mouth reports.
Posted by: Bobby || 08/08/2008 5:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Kerry took a week off during his run in 2004; that's where we got the windsurfing photos. Things kinda went south for him after that.

History repeats itself, second time as farce?
Posted by: Raj || 08/08/2008 8:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Is this Hillary's hudna?

Seems like a good time to rearm and prepare all those booby traps for when the big Zero comes flying back.

It's entirely possible that the vacation itself is a gaffe.
Posted by: AlanC || 08/08/2008 9:15 Comments || Top||

#6  He's going to Hawaii to fix that birth certificate before Bill Burkett screws it up.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/08/2008 9:17 Comments || Top||

#7  How many vacations a years does this guy take?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/08/2008 9:47 Comments || Top||

#8  In one news clip I saw the other day, as he bounded out onto the stage, he saluted! And this wasn't to a military crowd! I guess his version of "Reporting for duty."
Posted by: Sherry || 08/08/2008 10:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Me thinks he is tending to internal issues.

Hillary is out there telling her delegates to stay put and she is keeping her name on the nomination ballot.

She smells blood with BO's weak polls versus McCain (who is getting no coverage from the media).

All hell is going to break loose at the convention. If at the end of the day, Hillary winds up with the nomination (and it is still possible with some of the superdelegates on the fence), then you will see a very strange presidential campaign in October.

Remember the super delegate thing was cooked up between the DNC and Hillary to guarantee that she got the nomination. The "big turbans"(no pun intended) in the DNC still think that Hillary is a better candidate. Of course this whole Hillary thing is a weak kneed ploy to help slick Bill circumvent the term limits in the Constitution. You can be assured that even with Hillary with the title, it would be Bill who is the de facto prexy.

This is all great theater. The Clintons ignore the polls that show the moderate Dems and most independents can't STAND the woman. A messy floor fight and any thing resembling a back room deal and Hillary getting the nomination will almost guarantee that Big John is the next president.

The only way John will lose the presidency is to screw up his VP selection. And the MSM know this, they will have the blood hounds out looking for any kind of tawdry scandal they can find to sully the VP selection.....

I personally will get out my tux and give some money to John. Maybe I'll get an invite to the inaugural ball.
Posted by: James Carville || 08/08/2008 10:50 Comments || Top||

#10  Doesn't seem to be a prudent move for "the Big O". Leaving the playing field at the beginning of a big game and leaving it to his two arch enemies - John and Hill. If they can't carve him up good during his time out, then I've seriously misjudged them both. What do the Spanish crowds yell at the moment that the matador does the kill? Ole!
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 08/08/2008 11:45 Comments || Top||

#11  Because the Caribbean was so last Spring, and its so embarassing trying to order a fancy salad in Europe without knowing a second language. Time to show how typical a person he is by spending a week in Hawaii maybe get TMZ to take some surfing photos or some scuba pics in Kaneohe Bay.

Every time he does something incredibly stupid (rather than the run of the mill stupid) he runs and hides for a week. Trying to avoid the issues for a week? Waiting for bad press to blow over? Can't handle the pressure? Getting too tired to work? Not interested in campaigning to the fullest? No business being POTUS.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/08/2008 16:06 Comments || Top||

#12  "History repeats itself, second time as farce?"

The first time was farce, Raj honey.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/08/2008 17:40 Comments || Top||


Russell launches bid to unseat Murtha
Posted by: lotp || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6511 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wish him well, but the people in that ditrict have proven themsleves greedy, short-sighted, unpatriotic and remarkably stupid. Just like Murtha.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 2:36 Comments || Top||

#2  OS:

Same description you used of the Pakis:) Wonder if Murtha is Taliban in disguise?
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/08/2008 3:51 Comments || Top||

#3  JackBack, the term 'Paki' is considered deragatory & insulting by the Pakistanis (at least those in GB) - which may be intended and appropriate for many (perhaps even most) but certainly not all of them.
Posted by: Glenmore || 08/08/2008 9:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Glenmore, thanks. The last thing I wanted to be was not insulting.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 08/08/2008 9:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Paki for Pakistan is insulting and Afghani for Afghanistan is not?

Sorry, let them be insulted.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 9:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Pakis, pakis, pakis.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/08/2008 10:04 Comments || Top||

#7  At this point in my life, I don't care who gets insulted. And the Muzzies have shown they get insulted at the slightest thing to bring the PC police down on everyone that isn't like them.

Let them be insulted. I have worse to throw at them.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/08/2008 10:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Let me add to that list of "OK" the Uzbekis of Uzbekistan (was at an airbase there).
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 11:58 Comments || Top||

#9  How about the Canucks of Canuckistan?
Posted by: Canuckistan sniper || 08/08/2008 13:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Well, they have no "i" at the end because it woudl make them sound like they were from Kentucky instead.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/08/2008 19:07 Comments || Top||

#11  Actuall, Old Spook, is't Uzbeks, and it's not insulting to call them that. It's been their name for the last thousand years, at least. Just don't call them "Russians" - them's fightin' words!
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/08/2008 22:22 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Confrontation with president could result in martial law: Rao Sikandar
Confrontation with the president will harm democratic institutions and would result in another martial law, former defence minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal said on Thursday. Rao was speaking to reporters at his residence. He said the coalition of the ruling party was taking the country away from democracy. "Pakistan is facing lawlessness and external aggression, so it is not fair to open any other front that is likely to damage the nation's sovereignty. All we need is to solve the issues and to work in the nation's interest," he said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/08/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6465 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Al-Jazeera apologizes to Israel for "unethical" coverage of Quntar's return

Bethlehem – Ma'an/Agencies – Al Jazeera TV issued an apology to Israel on Thursday for their coverage of the events marking the release of Lebanese prisoner Samir Quntar.

Israeli authorities had earlier threatened to boycott Al-Jazeera if they did not apologize. Israel said that the Al-Jazeera coverage of the warm Lebanese reception of Quntar hurt the feelings of Israelis, since he was charged with the deaths of four Israelis including two young children.

One particular complaint was over the comments of Al-Jazeera's Beirut office Director Ghassan Ben Jeddou, who described Quntar during the broadcast as an "Arab Hero."
Whack Ghassan's peepee, will ya, Mahmoud?
Oh, right away, sir!

Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz published a letter of apology issued by Director General of Al-Jazeera TV Waddah Khanfar, which stated that the program, prepared and presented by Ben Jeddou on Saturday 19 July represented a breach in Al-Jazeera's ethical code.
Oh. They have one?
The professional rules adopted by the station, said the letter, were not adhered to and he has instructed to all program managers at the station to take measures to prevent any further incidents.
Yeah...well don't let it happen again, boys, okay?
Yes, sir!...hehehehehe...Whatever you say, sir! hehehehehehe
This is not the first time Israeli authorities have imposed sanctions on Al-Jazeera or claimed that its coverage is biased or pro-Palestinian. Most recently, the Israeli Foreign Ministry ordered government personnel to boycott the station and refuse interviews with Al-Jazeera reporters in March 2008, arguing that the channel's reporting on Gaza was serving the interests of the Hamas-run government in the Strip.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/08/2008 09:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6468 views] Top|| File under:

#1  WTF!?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/08/2008 11:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Al Jazeera becoming sensitive to Jewish feelings? Whoddah thunk? I'm speechless.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 08/08/2008 11:48 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Wordwide SAM site overview (download)
Posted by: 3dc || 08/08/2008 15:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6465 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Tyson workers vote down pro-Eid contract
Posted by: lotp || 08/08/2008 12:44 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6500 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "In an effort to be responsive, Tyson asked the union to reopen the contract to address the holiday issue, and the union agreed to do so." Lawson said.

So keep those cards and letters coming, folks. We love hearing from you...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/08/2008 13:30 Comments || Top||

#2  I can assure all dhimmis that there is no such accomodation of minorities in the Muslim countries. ZERO. Give them a fart with a lump in it.
Posted by: Ebbineth Prince of the Hatfields4375 || 08/08/2008 18:11 Comments || Top||

#3  I never liked Tyson foods anyway. They suck.
Posted by: Betty Grating2215 || 08/08/2008 23:13 Comments || Top||



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