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Syrian Army Launches 'All-Out Attack' on Capital Region
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The Grand Turk
Turkey: Is Orthodox Denomination Connected to Coup Case?
The priest’s voice echoed off the crumbling plasterwork of the sanctuary, as only two worshippers took part in a recent Sunday service in Istanbul’s Meryem Ana Church. The low turnout is typical these days. The Turkish Orthodox Church is possibly the country’s smallest Christian denomination, and certainly its most controversial.

Turkish prosecutors allege the church, which traces its roots to the upheaval surrounding the founding of the Turkish republic, is connected to an ultra-nationalist movement, known as Ergenekon, which reportedly plotted to overthrow the government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

Church spokesperson Sevgi Erenerol, sister of the current patriarch, has been imprisoned since 2008 on charges that include establishing and directing an armed terrorist organization as part of the supposed Ergenekon conspiracy. A host of ultra-nationalist groups established in 2004 and 2005 had “the same” founders, and “they were all gathering at the Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate,” claimed Orhan Kemal Cengiz, a human rights lawyer.

Meanwhile, Vural Ergül, a lawyer for Erenerol, calls the government’s case “fake and imaginary.” Ergül acknowledged the church’s links to prominent ultra-nationalists, including Ergenekon co-defendant Veli Küçük, who has been linked to the 2007 murder of three Christian missionaries in the eastern town of Malatya, but maintained that both his client and the Turkish Orthodox Church are victims of government persecution.

“Members of the church are scared and anxious,” Ergül said. “It is impossible not to see … [Prime Minister Erdoğan’s] intolerance against the church.”
Posted by: tipper || 02/07/2013 18:46 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6469 views] Top|| File under:

Home Front: Politix
Drone Strikes, Waterboarding, and Moral Preening
On May 29, 2009, President Obama gave a speech at the National Archives in which he said the following:

Now let me be clear: We are indeed at war with al Qaeda and its affiliates. We do need to update our institutions to deal with this threat. But we must do so with an abiding confidence in the rule of law and due process; in checks and balances and accountability. For reasons that I will explain, the decisions that were made over the last eight years established an ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism that was neither effective nor sustainable -- a framework that failed to rely on our legal traditions and time-tested institutions, and that failed to use our values as a compass.

The president went on to trumpet the fact that he banned the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, saying, "I know some have argued that brutal methods like waterboarding were necessary to keep us safe. I could not disagree more." Mr. Obama argued that (among other things) they undermine the rule of law. And during the 2008 campaign and shortly thereafter, Obama insisted that his policies would "regain America's moral stature in the world." This was a common Obama theme: He would act in ways that respect international law and human rights and remove the stain from America's reputation.

I thought of all of this in light of this report by NBC's Michael Isikoff. Thanks to Isikoff, we've learned that "a confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be 'senior operational leaders' of al-Qaida or 'an associated force' even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."
Posted by: Beavis || 02/07/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But remember, "I am a "King" who can order the death of his subjects without due process.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/07/2013 3:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Obama insisted that his policies would "regain America's moral stature in the world." How's that working out for us Hussein?
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2013 10:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Normally I'd offer an opinion about drone strikes. But I got some sorta message today from an outfit calling itself "SkyNet" that says I've reached obsolescence.

Alright ... guess I'll go deal with it. There sure is a lot of noise coming from the sky this morning.
Posted by: Raider || 02/07/2013 10:31 Comments || Top||

Home Front: WoT
LtCol(Ret) Bill Cowan USMC speaks out about drone zapping
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/07/2013 07:10 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6465 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes, Bill is a Fox teevee talking head, but he's got a combat record and assignment history to back it up.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/07/2013 9:25 Comments || Top||

#2  The issue with the drone program is -- and I have no problem with killing Americans overseas, who are a part of a terrorist organization. This issue is, is this the beginning of a slippery slope that we don't see any real boundaries to? How long does it take to go from killing Americans overseas with drones to killing Americans here in this country with drones? This is prettey much it for me too. Dangers exist when a President acts unilaterally, ignores the Constitution, and tries to find ways to dodge the checks and balances provided by Congress and the Courts. Currently, drones are being used by some police departments in the U.S. for surveillance. Is the next step, the targeting of criminals and suspected terrorists in the U.S.? Suppose the police run into a situation where mistaken identity occurs and some innocent gets killed? Waco and Ruby Ridge, it seems to me were over reaches of Federal power. Is the Constitution an outdated useless piece of paper or is it the law? The left demonized George W. Bush. However, he sought Congressional approvals to go into Afghanistan and Iraq. He sought and received a wider international approval for actions conducted by the U.S. Congressional oversight existed in the House and Senate for actions by the President. Do we have checks and balances on the President now?
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2013 10:03 Comments || Top||

#3  AH-6X Little Bird UAV
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/07/2013 14:43 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Culture Wars
Ace:If It Will Save a Single Life, We Must Get Piers Morgan's Stupid Fat Face off the Television
Posted by: tipper || 02/07/2013 20:34 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6476 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Amen!
Posted by: DarthVader || 02/07/2013 21:58 Comments || Top||

Obamacare’s Fiscal Nightmare-If the law isn't scaled back by 2014, we're ruined.
Posted by: DarthVader || 02/07/2013 14:57 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6489 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Personally I think we are ruined anyway since no one in government really wants to scale back any spending.
Posted by: DarthVader || 02/07/2013 14:58 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, the majority of the people did not ask for or want ObamaCare.
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2013 15:09 Comments || Top||

#3  They will do whatever it takes to push Armageddon out past the 2014 election.
Posted by: Iblis || 02/07/2013 15:15 Comments || Top||

#4  With the exception [heretofore] being the military, anyone who believes the gov't can run something more efficiently than the private sector is delusional. All of this has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with CONTROL!
Posted by: Besoekerr || 02/07/2013 15:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Yur right, the only jobs for govt are the icky no-win slogs that nobody else in their right mind would want (like fighting a war). But there has been considerable mission creep in almost every agency in the time since WWII.
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 02/07/2013 22:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Isn't that why the US is copying the France in temporarily letting the Debt Ceiling free-fall for two years - the US Deficit, Debt burden is so huge the Fed is hoping MORE DEFICIT SPENDING + BORROWING WILL BRING IN ENUFF REVENUES TO PAY NEAR-TERM OR VERY-NEAR-TERM ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE IN LONG-TERM.


POTUS Obama = POTUS CLinton = lower the deficit or debt burden via USDOD cuts - IOW,



* "We're ruined' > And thus, Virgina, we learn why in 2014, one year after 2013, a number of US State-Local Govts voted to formally secede from the OWG Mighty USSA = OWG Weak USRoAmerika Global SSR.

But I digress ...
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/07/2013 23:12 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Culture Wars
Taliban to pacify Chicago By Donald Sensing
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/07/2013 05:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6478 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's a way to take care of two problems. Fence off South Chicago and let em go at it.
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2013 10:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Would love to see the Left meet face to face with these people.
Posted by: Iblis || 02/07/2013 13:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Sniff, sniff, Defending Motherly Commie-Socs OWG Globalist Amerikans from Arrogant Fascist Male Brute Capitalist Nationalist Americans.


Whoa - so technically, the USSR still lives widout the legal written evidence to say otherwise???

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 02/07/2013 23:55 Comments || Top||

The Three Types of People You'll Meet in Liberal Hell
@ Sultan Knish
First they came for the Cakemakers.

Over in Oregon, two lesbians came to Sweet Cakes and demanded a wedding cake. The owner let them know that he only does cakes for men and women looking to get married. No sooner did the door close than the Oregon Department of Justice, which had already solved all the other crimes in the state, began an investigation.

Aaron and Melissa Klein, their 3 kids and their little cake shop (caramel pecan cheesecake available) had run afoul of the political establishment. "I'd rather have my kids see their dad stand up for what he believes in," Klein said, "then to see him bow down because one person complained."

Bowing down is the expected position these days. You either bow down or get fined and prosecuted to death.

The latest wave of laws on abortion and gay marriage are meant to make it impossible to hold beliefs, religious or otherwise, in contradiction to those of the state. That's a somewhat new phenomenon in the United States, but a familiar one in Europe. And the consequence of these Orwellian measures is the stratification of these societies into three categories.

The Party - This is the group whose dogma is legislated into law in a thousand formal and informal ways. Its members may belong to the government or non-profits that act as a collective political movement pushing to enact and implement even the most radical elements of that dogma. Or they may still work actual jobs. But it doesn't really make much of a difference.
He outlines two more 'classes': the People and the Ghetto. It seems to echo some of the things VDH has written about how Mexifornia works, and while you can be bureaucratized to death in the coastal areas, they don't really try to enforce things in much of the interior.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 02/07/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The bitterest curse is to see clearly.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/07/2013 4:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Charge them $1000.00per ounce, You didn't refuse.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 02/07/2013 7:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Liberal Hell is like a circular firing squad--unsustainable, but that is a comforting thought.
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/07/2013 10:16 Comments || Top||

#4  RJ: I just quoted the introduction of the article, the whole thing is probably ten times as long (or longer).
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 02/07/2013 11:22 Comments || Top||

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Two weeks of WOT
Thu 2013-02-07
  Syrian Army Launches 'All-Out Attack' on Capital Region
Wed 2013-02-06
  Fat Lady Sings for Abd el Kader Mahmoud Mohamed el Sayed
Tue 2013-02-05
  Second big turban nabbed in northern Mali
Mon 2013-02-04
  Ansar Dine #3 arrested in northern Mali
Sun 2013-02-03
  Yemen Troops Kill 12 'Qaida Militants' in Restive South
Sat 2013-02-02
  Syria Suicide Attack on Regime Kills 53
Fri 2013-02-01
  Binori Mosque cleric among 10 killed in Karachi
Thu 2013-01-31
  Boko Haram 'commander' declares ceasefire
Wed 2013-01-30
  Mali and Niger forces retake Ansongo
Tue 2013-01-29
  Sahel jihadist groups splinter
Mon 2013-01-28
  Timbuktu mayor: Mali rebels torched library of historic manuscripts
Sun 2013-01-27
  French and Malian troops begin restoring control in Timbuktu
Sat 2013-01-26
  Green-on-green clash in Khyber tribal region kills 32
Fri 2013-01-25
  AQAP #2 killed for the THIRD time in Yemen
Thu 2013-01-24
  US drone strike near Sanaa kills 7 hard boyz

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