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Confessions of a Terrorist - confirmation of Fred’s "Giggle Juice"
2003-08-31
EFL - read it all, as they say
Author Gerald Posner claims an al-Qaeda leader made explosive allegations while under interrogation.
So to speak...
By March 2002, the terrorist called Abu Zubaydah was one of the most wanted men on earth. A leading member of Osama bin Laden’s brain trust, he is thought to have been in operational control of al-Qaeda’s millennium bomb plots as well as the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October 2000. After the spectacular success of the airliner assaults on the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001, he continued to devise terrorist plans.
We might add that he was also Binny's designated successor. Dontcha hate it when that happens?
Seventeen months ago, the U.S. finally grabbed Zubaydah in Pakistan and has kept him locked up in a secret location ever since. His name has probably faded from most memories. It’s about to get back in the news. A new book by Gerald Posner says Zubaydah has made startling revelations about secret connections linking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and bin Laden. Details of that terrorism triangle form the explosive final chapter in Posner’s examination of who did what wrong before Sept. 11. Most of his new book, Why America Slept (Random House), is a lean, lucid retelling of how the CIA, FBI and U.S. leaders missed a decade’s worth of clues and opportunities that if heeded, Posner argues, might have forestalled the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Posner is an old hand at revisiting conspiracy theories. He wrote controversial assessments dismissing those surrounding the J.F.K. and Martin Luther King Jr. assassinations. And the Berkeley-educated lawyer is adept at marshaling an unwieldy mass of information—most of his sources are other books and news stories—into a pattern made tidy and linear by hindsight. His indictment of U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies covers well-trodden ground, though sometimes the might-have-beens and could-have-seens are stretched thin. The stuff that is going to spark hot debate is Chapter 19, an account—based on Zubaydah’s claims as told to Posner by "two government sources" who are unnamed but "in a position to know"—of what two countries allied to the U.S. did to build up al-Qaeda and what they knew before that September day.
Sounds like Jerry hit the jackpot when he bought the beer at the O-club...
Zubaydah’s capture and interrogation, told in a gripping narrative that reads like a techno-thriller, did not just take down one of al-Qaeda’s most wanted operatives but also unexpectedly provided what one U.S. investigator told Posner was "the Rosetta stone of 9/11 ... the details of what (Zubaydah) claimed was his ’work’ for senior Saudi and Pakistani officials."
Soddies and Paks? Well! That certainly comes as, ummm... not a surprise.
The tale begins at 2 a.m. on March 28, 2002, when U.S. surveillance pinpointed Zubaydah in a two-story safe house in Pakistan.
It was an office-apartment upstairs at a madrassah in Faisalabad. Betcha the madrassah's still in business, by the way...
Commandos rousted out 62 suspects, one of whom was seriously wounded while trying to flee. A Pakistani intelligence officer and hastily made voiceprints quickly identified the injured man as Zubaydah.
He was gut-shot, and also nailed in the groin. Turned his attention from escaping for awhile. (Sometime I go to the officers' club, too...)
Posner elaborates in startling detail how U.S. interrogators used drugs—an unnamed "quick-on, quick-off" painkiller and Sodium Pentothal, the old movie truth serum—in a chemical version of reward and punishment to make Zubaydah talk.
"Hurts, don't it, Abu?"
"Grssh."
"Like some pain-killer?"
When questioning stalled, according to Posner, CIA men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions.
I hadn't heard that part...
Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do."
"Hello, prince? Hey! A friend of yours said to give you a call..."
The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd’s and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid. When the fake inquisitors accused Zubaydah of lying, he responded with a 10-minute monologue laying out the Saudi-Pakistani-bin Laden triangle.
Oooh! They good! They very good!
Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom’s longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom.
That little agreement's been established by deduction for awhile...
The Pakistani contact, high-ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis."
They're the ones who hold the Pakistani leash...
Zubaydah said he attended a third meeting in Kandahar in 1998 with Turki, senior ISI agents and Taliban officials. There Turki promised, writes Posner, that "more Saudi aid would flow to the Taliban, and the Saudis would never ask for bin Laden’s extradition, so long as al-Qaeda kept its long-standing promise to direct fundamentalism away from the kingdom." In Posner’s stark judgment, the Saudis "effectively had (bin Laden) on their payroll since the start of the decade." Zubaydah told the interrogators that the Saudis regularly sent the funds through three royal-prince intermediaries he named.
Posted by:Frank G

#10  Looks like some ad agency is about to get very rich doing the new batch of "The Saudis are our Bestest Buddies" ads.
Here's an idea for their new campaign, "Without Saudi Arabia, there'd be no war on terrorism." At least forcing them to shell out some big bucks for this shit is money they can't use to bankroll their loony tunes boomer boys.
Posted by: tu3031   2003-8-31 9:34:14 PM  

#9  Interesting. Does this mean the US can get Saudi princes offed just by letting 'certain people' know we have some evidence?
Dunno about you guys, but that gives me some lovely ideas...
Posted by: Kathy K   2003-8-31 8:52:32 PM  

#8  And the Berkeley-educated lawyer is adept at marshaling an unwieldy mass of information—most of his sources are other books and news stories—into a pattern made tidy and linear by hindsight.

I don't have that much respect for anyone who displays this sort of judgementalism: I worked on one of the first computer systems dedicated to all source analysis for in-field military intelligence analysts, and I can tell you, intelligence is a huge mass of uncorrelated data that takes a lot skill and luck to winnow out any patterns that can be acted upon: Up until then, skyjackers weren't suicide bombers, and that would have clouded anyone's interpretation.

IMHO, there was no failure of intelligence: Just a political failure to enforce a zero-tolerance policy on terrorists and terroristic acts. WTC II would not have happened if politicians had had more balls going after Bin Laden after WTC I and the Cole bombing.

Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do."

Gawd, I hope this is true...
Posted by: Ptah   2003-8-31 5:26:56 PM  

#7  Looks like a clean-up operation to me. Probably realized letting them do this would get them bombed, so they whacked the bastards.

Unfortuneatly, we can't invade Saudi Arabia for several reasons. This will have a huge political fall-out for the Saudi Government though.

No, I doubt that will happen either. Anybody have the number of KKK fanatics? They can go over there, kill they Saudi Royal Family, and get themselves killed in the process. Two birds with one bomb!
Posted by: Charles   2003-8-31 4:44:34 PM  

#6  St Mo's massacre like. The day Michael became the Godfather, no, just keeping family business tidy.
Posted by: Lucky   2003-8-31 3:09:14 PM  

#5  I should've left another paragraph in:

The last eight paragraphs of the book set up a final startling development. Those three Saudi princes all perished within days of one another. On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43. One day later Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, 41, was killed in what was called a high-speed car accident. The last member of the trio, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, officially "died of thirst" while traveling east of Riyadh one week later. And seven months after that, Mushaf Ali Mir, by then Pakistan's Air Marshal, perished in a plane crash in clear weather over the unruly North-West Frontier province, along with his wife and closest confidants.
Posted by: Frank G   2003-8-31 2:33:49 PM  

#4  I remember how queasy I felt watching the governor of Kentucky grinning and gladhanding and congratulating Prince Aziz when War Emblem won the Derby. If I'm not mistaken, Aziz also ran that fair and balanced publication, Arab News.
Posted by: seafarious   2003-8-31 2:06:08 PM  

#3  Yea, I thought that guy bit it not to long ago. Maybe he had things to say that some might find uncomfortable, nudge-nudge, wink-wink.
Posted by: Lucky   2003-8-31 1:49:11 PM  

#2  ....Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd’s and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby....

Now finish the story with the eradication of said Prince..... oops already happened

dorf
Posted by: Anonymous   2003-8-31 1:15:19 PM  

#1  on reflection - I should've hat tipped Drudgereport.com, since I don't read Time mag any more and would've missed this on my own. Also, should've posted it in Arabia, since this part of the post is how the rat bastard Princes have screwed us
Posted by: Frank G   2003-8-31 12:53:58 PM  

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