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Iraq
More on the Iraqi Democracy Thing
2003-09-05
Amir Taheri tells why in the New York Post:
"It is not the American war machine that should be of the utmost concern to Muslims. What threatens the future of Islam, in fact its very survival, is American democracy." This is the message of a new book, just published by al Qaeda in several Arab countries.
The Saudi Royal Family has cried "Havoc" on this one and is actively supporting a lot of discord in Iraq.
The author of "The Future of Iraq and The Arabian Peninsula After The Fall of Baghdad" is Yussuf al-Ayyeri, one of Osama bin Laden’s closest associates since the early ’90s. A Saudi citizen also known by the nom de guerre Abu Muhammad, he was killed in a gun battle with security forces in Riyadh last June. . . .
Too bad. So sad. Now rot, sucker.
What Al-Ayyeri sees now is a "clean battlefield" in which Islam faces a new form of unbelief. This, he labels "secularist democracy." This threat is "far more dangerous to Islam" than all its predecessors combined. The reasons, he explains in a whole chapter, must be sought in democracy’s "seductive capacities."
Such as free speech, money for the middle class and rights for women.
This form of "unbelief" persuades the people that they are in charge of their destiny and that, using their collective reasoning, they can shape policies and pass laws as they see fit. That leads them into ignoring the "unalterable laws" promulgated by God for the whole of mankind, and codified in the Islamic shariah (jurisprudence) until the end of time.
So the mullahs get to skim a little cream off the top and live with their toy boys and silk robes.
The goal of democracy, according to Al-Ayyeri, is to "make Muslims love this world, forget the next world and abandon jihad." If established in any Muslim country for a reasonably long time, democracy could lead to economic prosperity, which, in turn, would make Muslims "reluctant to die in martyrdom" in defense of their faith.
Seems like we've been saying the same thing here. Only he says it like it's a bad thing...
Seems that this jihad thing is an end to itself. It is a pretty tough religious doctrine that requires you to be killed in battle to go to heaven.
He says that it is vital to prevent any normalization and stabilization in Iraq. Muslim militants should make sure that the United States does not succeed in holding elections in Iraq and creating a democratic government. "If democracy comes to Iraq, the next target [for democratization] would be the whole of the Muslim world," Al-Ayyeri writes.
He's just dead, not dumb. That's the whole idea...
I think that Iraq is the focus and maybe it will be the killing ground for these sociopaths for a while.
What was that again about Iraq having nothing to do with terrorism?
Just another bit of info that seems to point the finger for the recent Mosque attacks at the Fundementalists in Saudi
Posted by:SOG475

#7  I've got one of those Qurans also with the big Egyptian mullah good housekeeping seal of approval and some of the preachings in the book are beyond the pale of the western mind to comprehend. I find it difficult to see how they can claim Abraham and Moses as forebearers and advocate some of the absolutely mind boogling violence. I thought the Book of Joshua was bloody, Joshua was a softy compared to some of the writings in the Quran.

Sorry folks, I am not buying this "religion of peace" line at all. If it was, we would have peace in Isreal, a Palestinian State and florishing cosmopolitan erudite societies all over the Moslem world.
Posted by: SOG475   2003-9-5 8:37:54 PM  

#6  LOL! Good one, Paul!

Islam is essentially a works-oriented religion, where Allah still has the final say as to who is admitted to paradise and who is damned, regardless of their performance. Participation in Jihad is required, but still isn't a guarantee.

The only guarantee given in the Koran of paradise is DYING while on Jihad: Allah will open the doors to paradise to all Jihadis who ride in on the bomb riddled bodies of the kuffirs and joooos.

I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise, but I'd want references in the Koran.

And yes, I DO have a full copy. Arabic in one column, english in the other, with a seal of approval from an Egyptian religious authority attesting to the validity and authenticity of the translation. Heck, only catholic bibles have this kind of seal of approval.
Posted by: Ptah   2003-9-5 4:32:57 PM  

#5   Actually the man is right. When was the last time any of us saw an oil/plain rich muslim man or mullah strap on a suit of C-4 and join the Islamic "mile-high" club (TM) anyways?

That's right! NEVER! Can't you poor muslim people see what economic prosperity will do to your "will to die" for them him, the big A?

Those poor rich bastards, having to live in lavish houses, with their 72 (formerly known as) virgins. Jetsetting to all those exotic places full of non-believers and strip clubs. Having to drink gallons of alcohol and stuffing their faces with food that you'd have to work 100 years for, just to get a plate of.

Oh, the agony those fat, horny, drunken, bastards must endure.

Meanwhile, you, who have nothing, can strap on a brand new "Me-B-Gone" exploding vest by RONCO! Impress all of your dirt poor, ignorant, hate filled family members and friends with either the frag grenade economy model, or perhaps the more lavishly decorated C-4 model. But, if you really want to make an impression (and I'm not only talking about on the sidewalk) go for the new Semtex deluxe model which comes with a free Koran. Do it now! Show those rich bastards who REALLY deserves to meet ABBA Ali Allah!
Posted by: Paul   2003-9-5 1:36:54 PM  

#4  "The priests fear me, and rightly so. For I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: mojo   2003-9-5 12:15:14 PM  

#3  Fuck god and the horse he rode in on. I'll take democracy. Scares ya, does it? Good. You should be scared...
Posted by: mojo   2003-9-5 12:04:05 PM  

#2  If AQ gets it, but the LLL don't, what does that say about the LLL?
Posted by: Dishman   2003-9-5 12:02:28 PM  

#1  It's almost refreshing to hear an Islamist openly state their agenda. But UBL wasn't too shy about stating "death to the West" either!

Now in a reasonable world, wouldn't this be enough to shut the LLLs festering gobs?
Posted by: Craig   2003-9-5 11:34:20 AM  

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