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Iraq
Bush may have to cut and run
2003-10-29
After yet another bloody day in Iraq, US President George Bush dropped his enthusiastic message that the latest wave of attacks was evidence of just how much "progress" was being made in bringing freedom to the country. Bush’s Democratic opponents had been scathing when he proffered this view on Monday following the death of nearly 40 Iraqis and one American in a wave of suicide bombings that also left about 230 wounded. "If this is progress, I don’t know how much progress we can take," Senator Tom Daschle retorted.

In a hastily called news conference, Bush instead stressed that the US would not be defeated by terrorists. "Basically, what they’re trying to do is cause people to run," Bush said, adding: "They’re not going to intimidate America, and they’re not going to intimidate the brave Iraqis who are actively participating in securing the freedom of their country". Perhaps not. But many in Washington are now asking the question that was left hanging before the war. When do the troops come home? Or, does Bush have an exit strategy?
It's the same as our exit strategy for Portugal...
The bombing of the International Red Cross, like the earlier bombing of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, was designed to undermine international support for the US, to isolate it as the occupying force. The wave of bombings against police stations is aimed at disrupting US plans to hand over security to Iraqis.
Gosh. Even SMH gets that!
The weekend attack on the Al Rasheed Hotel, the home of many occupation officials in the so-called secure Green Zone, also struck right at the heart of the occupation itself. That the US Deputy Defence Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, the architect of the Iraq policy, was in the hotel, was an added coup for the assailants.
The Bad Guys' objectives are purely political, not military...
"We are at war in Iraq", said Richard Holbrooke, president Bill Clinton’s UN ambassador, voicing an opinion that is beginning to reverberate here. "You cannot do nation-building with a country at war."
Obvious solution: Kill the Bad Guys, then get on with the rest of it...
The problem for Bush is that his Iraq strategy is based on trying to nation-build while fighting the growing insurgency.
So we should stop?
Public support in Iraq for the US-led occupation is split, according to a survey done with the help of the conservative International Republican Institute. The poll, reported by The Washington Times, found that while a narrow majority still supported the presence of coalition forces, two-thirds of Iraqis felt their country was occupied rather than liberated.
The Washinton Times reported that? Yeah, we all know how biased and anti American the Washington Times is (Randburgers)
I might point out that Germany was "liberated" and occupied 50 years ago...
Six months after the war was said to be over, US military casualties, like civilian casualties, are mounting daily, with 217 US soldiers killed in that time bringing the total since the war began to 355. More than 1730 US soldiers have been wounded.
The war against Sammy is over. The war against terrorists and similar Bad Guys continues. There's no telling when that's going to be over...
These numbers will become a serious political liability for Bush as he enters an election year. So, despite all the strong words about not running out of Iraq, some Democrats say they will not be surprised to see Bush declare next year that enough "progress" has been made to start pulling large numbers of US forces out, whatever the consequences.
I would not be surprised, mission accomplished the oil Iraq is liberated, let’s pull out.
Posted by:Murat

#12  I like Murat. No really, I do.

Murat is the kid that likes to thwack a hornets nest with a stick. OK, so I don't like that so much.

When Murat gets all contra-versial, he gets the Rantburgers' juices flowing, and that part I do like.

The Murats of the world help stave off complacency because they evolke not only emotion, but informed and factual rebuttal, which enriches the debate and strengthens one's knowledge base.

The reality is obvious: Iraq is one battlefield in the war on terrorists. Rantburgers confirm that many have the resolve it takes to see this war through; resolve that is, sadly, fleeting in some.

The posts of Murat may be hard to stomach, but they do serve to stoke the fires of resolve and hone the blade of conviction.

For what it's worth, I like that a lot.
Posted by: Hyper   2003-10-29 8:47:30 PM  

#11  Bush may have to cut and run

Actually, it's Muslims around the world who are cutting and running. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are missing in action in a war that they believe the US is waging against Islam. Where are the suicide attacks on America that are supposed to bring us to our knees? We know that Muslims hate America - the question is what are they doing about it? In 180 days of combat in Iraq, we have lost just shy of 250 combat fatalities, not even 10% of the people we lost in a single day on September 11. Muslims aren't just failing at jihad - they are failing miserably.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2003-10-29 5:32:50 PM  

#10  Ah, yes... Murat. Slithered out from under your rock, did you? Careful - hang around here too long and you might accidently get a CLUE!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2003-10-29 4:59:20 PM  

#9  MuRAT's an honorless moral coward who cuts and runs when things don't go his way. Just call him "Wild Dumrul" and he'll get the message.
Posted by: Ernest Brown   2003-10-29 12:32:40 PM  

#8  Looks like somebody at the Sydney Morning Herald is having quite the wet dream. Looks like Murat's stroking away too, as always.
If Bush "cuts and runs" in Iraq, he's dead politically. You'd know that Murat if you had a clue about politics in this country. Stick to what you know, which ain't much.
Posted by: tu3031   2003-10-29 12:05:22 PM  

#7  Bush never said the war was over. He called it a battle in the War on Terror, which I agree with. He said major combat operations were ended. I'm really pleased that the Iraqi oil is liberated, the main reason to take down saddam, as that will only hurt our enemies. As Iraqis splinter into power groups they can ally with us or against us. Attacks against those trying to establish an Iraqi republic will only cause resentment with the population. The US will arm those who ally with us. That's a big problem for the Sunni minority. Turkish peasants will someday be needed to work in Iraq. That should really help Turkey with much needed cash. That is if they decide to send some of their checks back to their families stuck in Turkish slums.
Posted by: Lucky   2003-10-29 12:04:33 PM  

#6  Washington Times story

Not sure about the accuracy of the poll, since there have been lots of others that don't show the same trends. OTOH, things change over time.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins   2003-10-29 11:55:06 AM  

#5  Morning Murat! Just because the lefties say they would cut and run...don't for a minute think Bush would. We know that's what your heart desires, but sorry to disappoint you. We're there, and we're going to succeed. And just like the islamofascists, this fact eats at you everyday. Losing sucks Murat, why dont' you jump aboard for the big win. If I were you I'd start making nice with the Iraqis...it's the neighborly thing to do.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2003-10-29 11:54:35 AM  

#4  Murat, you should have been around this country during WWII. By your standard we should have surrendered to the Japanese after the fall of the Phillipines. Heck that would have saved a great many lives. Maybe living under Imperial Japan or an Islamofacists state appeals to you, but I find the idea repugnant. Any American who feels can kiss my Red White & Blue American ASS.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)   2003-10-29 11:48:53 AM  

#3  I would not be surprised...

I skipped the article and scrolled down to see who had posted it. I was not surprised.

Then I checked to see where you'd found it. Boy, was I not surprised. The Sydney Morning Herald is probably the worst broadsheet in the Anglosphere. It has no conception of the line between opinion and fact, and is hostile to the US in general and to Bush very much in particular.

You're going to have to do better, little trollie.
Posted by: Angie Schultz   2003-10-29 11:46:18 AM  

#2  Armenians, Cypriots, Kurds
Posted by: Scott   2003-10-29 11:45:54 AM  

#1  The problem for Bush is that his Iraq strategy is based on trying to nation-build while fighting the growing insurgency.

These are more like last gasps. Since killing large numbers of U.S. soldiers is proving to be difficult, these "insurgents" are now going after NGO's and Iraqi civilians. The only people that are stupid enough not to see the situation for what it is are lefties (read: Democrats) and Baath/Saddam sympathisers (like you, for instance).

Six months after the war was said to be over, US military casualties, like civilian casualties, are mounting daily, with 217 US soldiers killed in that time bringing the total since the war began to 355.

50,000 U.S. soldiers died in Vietnam. So what's your point?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2003-10-29 11:43:00 AM  

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