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Saudi bombing strikes near royals’ homes
2003-11-09
We said that last night... Extracts only...
Interior Minister Prince Nayef and some other Saudi royals had private homes near the compound. "It was about half a mile from one of the houses of Prince Nayef," a diplomat said on Sunday. The diplomat said the compound might have been chosen as a "soft target" after a recent tough crackdown by security forces.
Here's the significant part...
Leading Saudi dissident Dr Saad al-Faqih agreed that this was likely, blaming the kingdom’s authorities for provoking violence.
"Yeah. It's all their fault, not ours... uhhh... al-Qaeda's!" al-Faqih is the head of the Movement for Islamic Reform.
“By closing the small margin for (political) expression, the state has done nothing to prevent attacks,” he told Aljazeera.net. “Every citizen has become a victim of this massive security campaign.”
"So what else could we... uhhh... they do?"
He claimed that the clampdown, with attacks on peaceful demonstrators and widespread searches by security forces, had built-up resentment among ordinary people.
... most of whom own explosives and enjoy blowing up Lebanese...
“Those who want to protest against the regime are left with two choices, obedience or violence,” he said.
"Both are Islamic, of course, but violence is more Islamic."
He conceded that al-Qaida — the only group capable of such an attack, he said — did not represent ordinary Saudis’ wishes by targeting soft targets, such as Western and expatriate compounds, rather than regime symbols. Witnesses said there was heavy gunfire when the bombers drove two apparently explosives-packed cars into the complex, which had security guards. One resident said most of the people living in the compound were Lebanese, Egyptians and Syrians. "This is a crime against innocents which is in the style of al-Qaida. It is an al-Qaida operation," a Saudi security source told Reuters. "This is a suicide operation."
Posted by:Fred Pruitt

#28  Sorry Raj but that really wasn't me. I only discovered Rantburg much later than that (I think March) so I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. I'm afraid you're comfusing me with someone else though I am not familliar with any other rg117. Sorry!
Posted by: rg117   2003-11-9 11:42:10 PM  

#27  rg117 - you sent me a copy of the NY Post's 'Axis Of Weasels' paper, dated 2/14/2003 via snail mail. It was postmarked NYC 4/23/2003. I will frame it as soon as I get winterized, but the postmark is / was making me wonder where you're really at.
Posted by: Raj   2003-11-9 11:17:10 PM  

#26  One can only assume the WOT is having an severe effect in the pocketbook. The cost of protection charity just went up.
Posted by: john   2003-11-9 7:54:21 PM  

#25  I think these guys know exactly what they want to do. There will be a buttload of muslims that will blame Jews and Christians. ISucks, Yes indeed. The house of saud will be a house of sand soon. And they only have themselves to blame, the poor genteel bastards. Regardless a new faze is nnow underway in the WoT.
Posted by: Lucky   2003-11-9 6:31:29 PM  

#24  Raj, Now I'm rather confused. Are you referring to some webpage that I pointed too in one my earlier posts, because I don't remember all the posts that I've ever made here.
Posted by: rg117   2003-11-9 6:24:53 PM  

#23  Could someone please explain to me how AQ could have bad intel in SA????

SA??? These people live there!
Posted by: Anonymous-not above   2003-11-9 6:05:16 PM  

#22  rg117 - Now I'm curious. How'd you manage that mail drop of the NY Post's "Axis of Weasels" cover to me w/ a NYC postmark?
Posted by: Raj   2003-11-9 5:25:10 PM  

#21  
IMO, if Al Qaeda takes out the Sauds, that'd be quite similar to what happened when the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the Islamists.

Namely a vile tyrant overthrown by an even viler one. Not an improvement to the situation at all.
Ah yes, but in Iran, we fled like pussies. If qaida knocked out the Sauds, it would only be a good thing if we then went into Arabia, killed as many qaida terrorists as possible for as long as needed, and really freed the region from these fucks. And the old tired argument that knocking out tyrannical dictators is risky because they might just be replaced by another dictator or worse, just doesn't hold water for me anymore. If they are replaced by something as bad or worse, take that piece of shit out too. After a while, either the population will begin to get it, or they will be plunged into such chaos that they will be spending very little time fighting jihad, and much more time trying to figure out how to get some food for their one meal a day.
Posted by: Islam Sucks   2003-11-9 4:47:27 PM  

#20  he's [rg117] certainly not "on the side of the ennemy".

I second that, based on past comments. Rg, are you a Sikh by any chance??
Posted by: Rafael   2003-11-9 4:17:55 PM  

#19  The actual comments rg117 refers to are here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3255393.stm

(They may have had Khan's remark up at the other link at one time, but they've changed it now.)

What's really...amusing...are the other comments.

Andy Smith of the UK says that Riyadh is still a lot safer than London or New York, and complains that "over-reaction" by UK authorities will make it difficult for him to return there. If it does, the terrorists will have won!

Chris, of England, says this is a big PR disaster for Al Qaeda, adding, "attacking their own people on holy soil seems a strange way of fighting a cause...", thereby implying that Al Qaeda *has* a legitimate cause, but are doing it wrong.

And, of course, Badar al Omar of Riyadh says that these people are out of their minds, "...and I'll never say that they have anything to do with Islam."
Posted by: Angie Schultz   2003-11-9 3:55:56 PM  

#18  Raj, Anon is correct, I am an Indian living in the UK. Thanks for the support y'all.
Posted by: rg117   2003-11-9 2:38:21 PM  

#17  Anon - rg117 is stateside...
Posted by: Raj   2003-11-9 2:29:39 PM  

#16  I think the Saudi regime will take the opportunity to lump the peaceful rights protesters that held demonstrations in with AQ as they crack down. The peace boys are going to take theis one on the chin.
Posted by: Super Hose   2003-11-9 1:51:30 PM  

#15  Dan, I understood rg117's comments rather differently than you did. He is reminding us of the widespread delusion blaming "America and the Joos".
It's interesting to note that the quote he used was from an Indian moslem.
It seems to me that the Saudi battlefield is becoming overt. Between Ramadan and the end of the Kissinger doctrine, I think AQ picked a really stupid time to do this. Then again, they're not really known for strategic planning.
Posted by: Dishman   2003-11-9 1:37:18 PM  

#14  If someone by the likes of al Q takes over Saudi that the country will cease to become an oil producer, and therefore an income producer. Al Q is a parasite, depending upon their sponsers (like members of the Royal ne'r do wells slugs Family for their very existence. Regardless of who the Saudis blame (insert: Merkins or Jooos), the bottom line is that they will get no goodwill or ensure their survival by killing the host.

Something will have to give in Saudi. Al Q has thrown down the gambit. It is the govt's turn to move. One final thought, whatever happens, killing little kids is something hard for anyone to stomach, with the exception of al Q and the Paleos. This booming will the beginning of significant change is Saudi Arabia. It will be vitally interesting to see what direction it takes.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2003-11-9 1:10:45 PM  

#13  Dan, whoever rg117 might be (an indian living in UK I reckon), he's certainly not "on the side of the ennemy". His RB contribution is valuable, and his voice adds diversity to this otherwise all-american, all-republican site; your judgement is unwarranted and unfair, IMHO.
As for the bombing, somehow that feels like poetic justice...
Posted by: Anonymous   2003-11-9 1:06:18 PM  

#12  Yes I am Indian/Hindu and no I was not justifying or rationalizing the Arab mindset. I was simply pointing out what they would probably be thinking. There is a population of 1 Billion muslim that has a firm belief that all of its problems are not of their own making. It is always someone else's and this latest bombing will be no different.
It is not just with the US or Israel, but in most places (India, SE Asia, etc) muslim always justify terror actions against others by saying that it was in retaliation for something that allegedly happened against them.
I don't think my previous post was that ambiguous but I hope this clears it up, in case it was.

PS that should have been AQ and not AG in my previous post.
Posted by: rg117   2003-11-9 12:56:22 PM  

#11  I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Aris on that
Posted by: Frank G   2003-11-9 12:35:04 PM  

#10  On the other hand, if qaida takes out the Sauds

IMO, if Al Qaeda takes out the Sauds, that'd be quite similar to what happened when the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the Islamists.

Namely a vile tyrant overthrown by an even viler one. Not an improvement to the situation at all.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2003-11-9 12:32:58 PM  

#9  he(or she)puts himself on the side of the enemy?

From RG's posts I've gotten the impression they are Hindu/Indian oriented, not Islamic. RG, feel free to correct that If I'm off the mark
Frank
Posted by: Frank G   2003-11-9 11:34:58 AM  

#8  Frank G - Yes rg117 may be explaining the mind set of the Arab world but he(or she)puts himself on the side of the enemy.
Posted by: Dan   2003-11-9 11:20:29 AM  

#7  Gotta say, if al-qaida wants to target the saudi royal fucktards, I wish them well. These royals have been supporting the very terror orgs that are now turning on them. They fund them, they export them, and they spread their vile culture of oppression and dhimmitude all across the globe. If they are targets, I say good. The Sauds need to be removed, and if we do it, or qaida does it, I don't care. In fact, it is better for us if qaida does it. If the sauds subdue qaida, then the Bush team might just go back to acting like the sauds are not a bunch of bigoted terrorist fucks, rather that they are our friends and allies. On the other hand, if qaida takes out the Sauds, we don't have to pretend to anyone, and we can get on with killing more islamic radicals without the weight of arab appeasement around our ankles.
Posted by: Islam Sucks   2003-11-9 11:09:16 AM  

#6  Dan - I think RG wa explaining the current mindset in the Arab world, not rationalizing it. Their habit of blaming the US and the Joooos while painting themselves as victims will continue until they're bitch-slapped into the 21st century
Posted by: Frank G   2003-11-9 11:03:59 AM  

#5  rg117 - Isn't it very convienent that the US is there to be blamed for the middle easts problems... what a crock - ooh yea it's the Jews - right - 3 million people that scare the shit out of billion (go figure - as long as it distracts the people from the core problems of the middle east).
Just how is the whole muslim world sufferring because of america? Does the US force these people to treat their woman as they do, does the US force force slavery on the muslim world? Does the US force these countries to stand by while the poorer countries suffer while the rich arab countries party in Europe? No - the midlle east is its own enemy.
If countries in the middle east think they can take on the United States then they are going to pay - and yes the process has begun in Iraq and it will not end in Iraq. As long as countries support terrorist we will be knocking at your door (knocking down).Your attitude is a main reason why people in the West have no sympathy for muslims.
Ramadam - celebrating a peaceful religion - yea right.
And you quote the BBC - BBC is a very liberal news organization. If it were up to people that run the BBC we would run away. Not going to happen!Why don't you go to Iraq and play with some American troops? Or are you too busy in Kashmir? Where the people do not want you but you bastards keep coming over from pakland...oh well have more of your friends go over so this world can be cleansed of another islamo scumbag!
Posted by: Dan   2003-11-9 10:32:12 AM  

#4  "Get out of Iraq or we'll blow up more Lebanese!You hear me now?!Hey!"
Posted by: El Id   2003-11-9 10:14:51 AM  

#3  Don't expect people to blame AG for this. They will be solidly laying the blame at the West. If they can blame 911 on the CIA I'm sure this is small cheese for their Rama-Damned imagination. I found this comment on BBC to prove my point:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3254385.stm
"It is very sad to see the innocent suffering. The fact of the matter is that whole Muslim world is suffering because of America. America has to pay the price and the process has begun in Iraq. Middle East is going to be graveyard for America.
Zamrudda Khan, India"

BTW, is it bad that I actually have little sympathy for these people, except for the kids. Considering had the dead actualy been westerners or other non-muslims these same people would have been celebrating (as much as you can during Ramadam).
Posted by: rg117   2003-11-9 9:33:07 AM  

#2  Fox news this am was speculating that A-Q may have chosen this target due to bad intel (this used to be a compound for westerners , supposedly) and it being a soft target-comparatively speaking.
IMHO this was a major FU on A-Q's part, and could well be the tipping point in sentiment for them. I believe even the inbred lazy fools in the Royal Family will get the hint. Frankensteins' monster is at the door: "Honey! I'm HOME!"
Posted by: Frank G   2003-11-9 9:19:33 AM  

#1  Al Faqih operates openly from London, and the Labor Government seems content to let him do so. Their clandestine radio station that broadcasts to Saudi Arabia is arranged through European "broadcast broker", TDP, and at present originates in Lithuania. Because the Movement for Islamic Reform is also virulently anti-American the US should apply more pressure to our so- called "allies" to bring this outfit to heel.
Posted by: Tancred   2003-11-9 9:00:03 AM  

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