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| Amnesty Criticizes U.S. for Afghan Deaths | |
| 2003-12-01 | |
| Easier to criticize us than anyone else. Amnesty International criticized the U.S. military on Monday for failing to announce the results of a criminal investigation into the deaths of two Afghans at a prison inside Bagram air base a year ago. The two men died about a week apart while in U.S. custody at the base north of Kabul, the Afghan capital, and official autopsies concluded their deaths were homicides. The U.S. Army then announced a separate criminal investigation, but no reports on its progress or conclusions have been made public, Amnesty said. The deceased were Mullah Habibullah, about 30 years old, who died on Dec. 3, 2002, and a 22-year-old Afghan taxi driver, Dilawar, who died on Dec. 10, 2002. The U.S. autopsy reports found "blunt force injuries" in both cases. "When apparent homicides occur in secret prisons, and promised investigations show no results, the country’s cherished values of humane treatment and respect for the law are dishonored," William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA, said in a written statement. "The failure to account for the prisoners’ deaths indicates a chilling disregard for the value of human life." He managed to say this without referencing the Taliban’s regard for human life. Asked about the Amnesty report before its release, U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty said in Bagram on Saturday, "I accept that people under custody died here. I deny that they were mistreated." Hilferty said more than 100 detainees are kept there now, adding: "If we find the detainees are not anti-coalition and anti-Afghanistan, we let them go." Amnesty said that interviews of former Bagram prisoners that were conducted by the human rights group and by journalists have shown that detainees were subjected to ill treatment that may constitute torture, including blindfolding, prolonged forced kneeling, sleep deprivation and the cruel use of shackles. That’s not torture. Ask the North Vietnamese about torture.
"Why can’t we go in there?" "Because you didn’t say the magic word." "May we PLEASE go in there?" "That’s not the magic word. Sorry!" | |
| Posted by:Steve White |
| #9 Tipper, dude, the comments shouldn't be 3X longer than the posts lol |
| Posted by: Frank G 2003-12-1 11:16:46 AM |
| #8 For what it's worth, this is a reply I made on this subject, on a newsgroup, a few weeks ago. Excuse the language. > Recent reports outlined how the camp is being > prepared for military tribunals (Soviet style > Star Chambers) and executions. > After the Kangaroo courts, Gitmo will be > >transformed into a death camp. Prisoners are > > already tortured, and two have been beaten to > death at the feeder camp, Bagram. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you know that, how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all over the news idiot - last december. > > Can you post information from the news all over the net that there are > > supposedly claimed by you that death camps are being set up. > > Prisoners are already bashed to death. [See Bagram story] > and the US officer in charge of Gitmo and other Gulags, > Major-General Geoffrey Miller, has discussed the plans > for executions there. > > "Searched Groups for Bagram deaths. Results 1 - 10 of about 933." > > Searched Groups for Geoffrey Miller "Death Camps". Results 1 - 10 of about > 46 > > > Here's a short extract from the BBC report: > > > " BBC: Two men have died mysteriously within their first > few days of being in US custody at Bagram. > Their death, certified by an American military > pathologist not as natural or accidental, but as homicide. > We went to the village of Deerak, a day's drive from Kabul, > to meet the family of one of these men called > Dilawar. He was taken to Bagram in December. > He only survived a few days. He was 22. > He worked as a farmer and also drove a taxi, > and he was arrested after a rocket attack on a big > American base nearby. ... > Dilawar has left a widow and a young child. > The family had just one small photograph of him. > > Besides that, they had the detailed death certificate > which they'd been given when Dilawar's body was > returned to them. They'd never properly understood > what this document meant. They hadn't known how > Dilawar had died. > > It says that Dilawar died by blunt force injuries, > in other words that he was hit by something blunt, blunt > force injuries. It was homicide. He was killed. > > The certificate said Dilawar had a pre-existing > heart condition but the family knew nothing of this. > He died within his first few days of being brought to Bagram. > That meant that the Red Cross never had any access > to him during his detention in American custody. > > BBC: It's a fact, isn't it Colonel Davis, that > two men have died in US custody here at Bagram with the > cause of death having been determined by an American > pathologist as being homicide? > > Colonel RODNEY DAVIS > Coalition Joint Task Force, Afghanistan: That's true. > > WHITE: What comment would you like to make on that? > > DAVIS: That's true, and that probably bears evidence of the very > point > I'm trying to make. I think we have a history > of providing for full disclosure. America and > its coalition partners aren't known for holding information. > We tend to share the good, the bad and the ugly, > and we've fessed up, if you will, to a few mishaps we've > had here since we've engaged in the war on terrorism. > > WHITE: The US authorities have been conducting a > criminal investigation into the deaths at Bagram for > over 6 months without any outcome so far." > You poor deluded moron, fagnuts. Don't they teach comprehension at that lunatic asylum, that you are associated with ( notice I didn't say work) and which is often laughingly referred to as a University. See if you can comprehend this, you simpering hysteric. "Chris Kelly, a spokesman for the institute, said yesterday that their pathologists were involved in all cases on military bases where there were unusual or suspicious deaths. He was not aware of any other homicides of prisoners held since September 11. He said that the definition of homicide was "death resulting from the intentional or grossly reckless behaviour of another person or persons" but could also encompass "self-defence or justifiable killings". The death certificates for the men have four boxes on them giving choices of "natural, accident, suicide, homicide". The Pentagon said yesterday that the choice of "homicide" did not necessarily mean that the dead person had been unlawfully killed. There was no box which would indicate that a pathologist was uncertain how a person had died." So we shall start at the beginning. Now we know that he was an Afghani, so therefore a Taliban nutter, and not Al Qaeda, which was made up mainly of foreigners, like Hicks, These Taliban are as fanatic as they come, as everyone knows. And as they boasted "they want to die more, than their enemy want to live" The Allies including the Aussies, who were fighting against the Taliban, are imbued with the spirit of multiculturalism. We want to celebrate the diversity, and embrace their different, but just as morally equivalent point of view. So to give them an idea of what their 72 year old virgin ( I did mention, that that's why they want to die? No!, well we must not be judgemental, and we must celebrate their views) we the Allies , in an effort to share in their delight at their coming sexual encounter, sent along "Daisy" to give them a foretaste of what death is about. Now Daisy, usually referred to as "Daisy Cutter" has a kill radius of 1/2 a mile, so we can help scores of the believers achieve their goal. Now as to why Dilawar was still alive, after all the help we gave him with Daisy, I haven't got all the details. Perhaps he was at the edge of the radius, or in a pretty solid building, at the time Daisy visited? Anyhow the Americans were helping him with his complaint, that he only suffered blunt force injuries, from Daisys visit, and not his longed for trip to Paradise, when he expired. Sadly neither the US or nor Dilawar, knew that Allah ( Praise be to His Name) had given him a coronary disease as well. Maybe he did something terrible, and Allah didn't want him to have one of his scarce 72 year old virgins.Who can know the mind of Allah? ( Praise be to Him). So the pathologist being your typical Kufr, and an ignorant third degree human as well ( she was a woman after all) wasn't able to think outside the box, or four boxes, in this case. Was it natural? No she said Was it accidental? No she said. Was it suicide? (Don't these ignorant Kufrs know there is no such thing as suicide, when fighting for Allah?) No she said. So that left only one box for that defiled kufr to fill in. Homicide, she said. It's the only box left. The stupid Kufr. When will the infidels learn not to let women near anything that requires thought. Keep them pregnant and barefoot, as we of the One True Faith, Islam, say. How dare the Xian slag, say it was homicide. Dilawar wasn't playing with his diddle, he was engaged in Holy War, for the sake of Allah (praise be his Name) Did he not endure blunt force injuries from Daisy, which would have sent any other Mujahadeen to his 72 year old virgin a long time before. Now, is helping our Islamofascist brothers in their spiritual quest to achieve martyrdom, to be classified as Homicide? We should hold mass demonstrations in front on the UN to demand that US military pathologists be trained in the finer points of Islamism, and that an insult to the true faith like this, never happens again. |
| Posted by: tipper. 2003-12-1 10:12:53 AM |
| #7 Any AI criticism of the Paleo lynchings of "collaborators" without trials? What about Cuban prisons? Arab honor killings? Do that as prominently as this, then I'd take them seriously, until then STFU |
| Posted by: Frank G 2003-12-1 10:12:21 AM |
| #6 Bomborama says, "How many people died under Taliban rule? Where was Amnesty International then?" Actually, Amnesty Intl did denounce the Taliban in their annual reports. However, the left blames American for the Taliban. |
| Posted by: mhw 2003-12-1 10:03:11 AM |
| #5 Sleep deprivation is torture? Nobody tell doctors, or every teaching hospital in the world's gonna be in trouble. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2003-12-1 7:53:08 AM |
| #4 I'm still waiting for Amnesty International to protest the deliberate targetting and murder of thousands of innocent civilians in the WTC... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2003-12-1 7:14:54 AM |
| #3 Yet not a word about slavery,amputations,and genocide in the Sudan. |
| Posted by: raptor 2003-12-1 6:21:43 AM |
| #2 How many people died under Taliban rule? Where was Amnesty International then? |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2003-12-1 1:41:23 AM |
| #1 "When apparent homicides occur in secret prisons, and promised investigations show no results, the country’s cherished values of humane treatment and respect for the law are dishonored," First off, these 'victims' wouldn't be in their if not for the lack of respect for the law. Secondly, it's not a secret prison if YOU FREAGIN KNOW WHERE IT IS! Duh! detainees were subjected to ill treatment that may constitute torture, including blindfolding, prolonged forced kneeling, sleep deprivation and the cruel use of shackles. All four of those are mainstream traditions in Islam. Is AP sure they didn't report this from Iran? Maybe they should of used GPS instead of Taliban tour-guides. |
| Posted by: Charles 2003-12-1 1:35:02 AM |