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Arabia
Of Prying Eyes and Segregation of Women
2003-12-09
Excerpts from an editorial in Arab News...
In a recent article in a local paper, one of our Saudi academics suggested that women-only shopping centers would be best for Saudi Arabia. He enumerated the benefits that such a step would provide investors, customers and society at large. One of the principal reasons for his suggestion was that such centers would give women the protection they need from prying eyes and rude behavior (both from men). He goes on to say that the ventures might give businesswomen freedom from male supervision and added that in addition, more jobs would be created. In a similar article, the idea of a women-only industrial city was presented; the city would provide jobs and “the necessary privacy and a conducive work environment.”

No matter what we do, men and women have to deal with each other on a daily basis — not only within the family but outside: From taxi drivers to supermarket cashiers to traffic police to passers-by. Even if we create women-only cities, won’t women have to deal with “male” government officials at some point? Businesswomen must have men as agents; how can they conduct their business without dealing with those men? The strange thing is that many of us justify these calls on social and religious bases.

Now the reason for these ideas is that women are harassed in streets and in shopping centers by men. A definite violation of law and custom — so what’s to be done?
Ummm... Beat the women?
Separate both parties by restricting the movement of the innocent and letting the guilty walk free? Or shouldn’t the violators be publicly identified and humiliated?
Yes! Damn those brazen hussies, inciting those men like that!
It is strange that the same people who propose separate facilities are the very ones who have never noticed lingerie shops staffed by men — which is surely an instance where there should be a women-only environment.
"I'd like to see some crotchless underpants, please."
"Certainly, madam. Step this way, please... YEE-HAW!"
"Hey! Knock it off! Lemme alone! Help!"
The core of the problem is that men and women in this society do not know how to interact properly. Most men have real problems in treating women with respect. Men have simply got to be taught to respect women. It is always a woman who suffers harassment on the street but somehow, the idea that a man should be respectful of women is never spoken of.
First, you have to somehow absorb the idea that you, personally, can control your impulses. In a religion where disputes over the nature of monotheism lead to shootings and bombings, there isn't much hope of that, is there?
Posted by:Fred Pruitt

#6  I'd suggest it's a direct result of their loser culture and the fact that their men must subjugate and denigrate women because when they try that shit with real men (i.e.: non-arabs) they get their asses kicked (see for reference all Israeli-Arab wars)
Posted by: Frank G   2003-12-9 10:11:22 PM  

#5  My point - sometimes I'm too subtle - is that the root of the problem lies with their lack of self-control in all areas. Somebody doesn't agree on a point of religion, they declare him apostate and try to kill him. A woman shows an ankle or, God forbid, a bit of cleavage, raping her becomes "understandable." It's not a problem of religion, it's a problem of culture. It perceives as a problem of religion because the religion's grounded in the culture.

They're taking baby steps toward the 20th century, and I mean the 20th, not the 21st. They should be encouraged, except when they decide to backslide by indulging their clerics or trying to work deals with their gunnies. At the same time, we didn't put them in the early Middle Ages - they stayed there themselves. They've been making serious efforts for less than six months. Words of encouragement are appropriate, but I'm still not really sure about their sincerity. Arabia's not really known as the home of sincerity...
Posted by: Fred   2003-12-9 7:13:16 PM  

#4  Fred, the author seems to be on your side. Don't mock him because he's living in the hell hole that he seems to know; I think that he's trying to say the same thing you're saying...
-Vic
Posted by: Vic   2003-12-9 6:47:56 PM  

#3  "The core of the problem is that ... Most men have real problems in treating women as anything other than slaves with respect." The Saudis do not see that the image they create of sex-crazed gorillas whose urges are held in check only by fanaticism and aparthied is subhuman. Or maybe they're right?

It Doesn't Take A Hero briefly mentions the culture shock of armed women (US Army MP's) wandering in the souks. Unfortunately Norm's too diplomatic to go into detail.

My apologies to any gorillas in the audience for this smear.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds)   2003-12-9 5:51:20 PM  

#2  SA needs a sex based 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: Shipman   2003-12-9 4:11:54 PM  

#1  So Islam is moving from out-and-out slavery to "separate-but-almost-equal". Progress of a sort.
Posted by: Mercutio   2003-12-9 3:57:17 PM  

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