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| Non-Muslim kids witness ritual slaughter of sheep |
| 2004-02-02 |
| SCHOOLTEACHER Ernieyanty Hassan usually visits relatives during Hari Raya Haji, but she spent it at a mosque with her non-Muslim students yesterday. Ms Ernieyanty, 29, shared the practices of her faith with the 28 students, who observed 2,000 Muslims at prayer and watched the korban, the annual ritual slaughter of sheep. She said she felt ’quite honoured’ to do this. The Secondary 4 and Secondary 5 students from Manjusri Secondary were at the Darul Aman Mosque, where prayers were held and 100 sheep slaughtered. Secondary 4 student Alvin Oh, 16, said he found the mosque visit worthwhile, although he felt squeamish watching the korban. |
| Posted by:TS |
| #16 Let me just say that if the Muslim population thinks they can bring back the process of ritual animal sacrifice, a barbaric process that Christians ended over 2,000 years ago when Christ sacrificed himself on the cross - then my outrage will be mild compared to the backlash it will cause. Trust me, Aris, I'm not alone in this, nor is this a PETA mentality, try as you might to make some sort of distinction between the even more hideous practice of human sacrifice. Let's be clear here, you aren't talking about slaughter, or the production of meat, or hunting - you are talking about needless, meaningless sacrifice to the gods. Don't think, for one second, that only the PETA members will suddenly feel the shingles of tolerance for the "religion of peace" falling from their eyes. If you want to bring it home to the American public the gaping chasam between these two religions - this is a great place to start. Oh..and by the way - most schools have discontinued the pithing of live frogs, - it's called moving forward. Look - I don't want to make this personal - I'll read your response, but I'm going to drop it after that. We're not going to achieve any shred of agreement on this. |
| Posted by: B 2004-2-3 8:03:15 AM |
| #15 Aris--Good points. High school students are old enough to be informed where the meat they get in a grocery store comes from. And as long as the sheep are being butchered from some practical purpose, I have no problem with that. All life exists at the expense of other life. One needs to understand that and respect that, and teeny-boppers are old enough they should know it--they're old enough to produce life, and they should know what the process of consuming it entails. |
| Posted by: Dar 2004-2-2 11:54:54 PM |
| #14 "It's like taking the class to go see a stoning or a hanging or an execution" You are making my very point -- you are comparing the taking of human lives with the taking of the lives of sheep, and thus are exhibiting PETA mentality. All other people believe there's a vast gulf between the two concepts. And some of us *don't* execute people, because indeed we consider it barbaric. Some of us consider the execution *itself* to be barbaric, not just making a public spectacle of it all. Indeed, if you are to execute people, I wouldn't mind having that be public either, if it could be done with the proper solemnity. Your comments about blood-lust are yet again PETA mentality, conflating animal killing with human killing. And the "morbid horror" of witnessing sheep-killing isn't anything that 16-year-olds can't handle. If these almost-adults can't handle it, then they should turn into vegetarians. Because what seems to me wrong is not sheep-killing itself but the hypocricy of considering something good enough to experience the gains thereof (mmm... tasty meat) but not actually see the process that goes into it. Once again, these weren't little children getting traumatized. And dude -- isn't the US a country where your schools have 12-year olds dissect alive frogs? Not just witness the dissection but actually do it themselves? Gross! And far more morbid IMO that the sheep-slaughter that must perforce precede the getting of lamb chops. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-2-2 8:32:27 PM |
| #13 hmm...I posted as anon previously and forgot to change it here, but I stand by what I say above. and it's a good point CF...a very good point. |
| Posted by: B 2004-2-2 6:28:12 PM |
| #12 No, I'm sorry Aris, this is not Peta mentality. This is called barbarity. It's like taking the class to go see a stoning or a hanging or an execution. It's just plain barbaric. Yes we eat meat and we execute people- but those of us who have an ounce of civility wish it didn't have to be so - and certainly have no desire have our children witness the morbid horror of death. God I'm glad I'm not a Muslim. It's this type of blood lust that just makes me think less and less of them each and every day. Jesus was into the lamb laying down with the lion. The Muslims are into slitting the lambs throat. I'll take Jesus any day. |
| Posted by: anon 2004-2-2 6:05:23 PM |
| #11 Aris, I was pointing out that, to their minds, there isn't that big of a step between killing sheep (for religious reasons) and killing the descendants of pigs and dogs (i.e. infidels and zionists) for the same religious reasons. If you want to kill sheep go ahead. Just try not to waste the meat :). Damn I'm hungry for lamb stew right about now. Or perhaps a good roasted leg of lamb with mint jelly. Mmmmm...... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-2-2 5:36:20 PM |
| #10 These weren't kindergarten pupils, B. These were highschool students who have probably seen far, far worse than slaughtered sheep in the movie theaters. And according to the article, the meat goes to feed people (besides "pacifying the gods") so yeah, it *is* PETA mentality to call this killing of sheep barbarism. *g* And yeah, Shipman, this article is making me hungry too... |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-2-2 4:10:04 PM |
| #9 These weren't kindergarten pupils, B. These were highschool students who have probably seen far, far worse than slaughtered sheep in the movie theaters. And according to the article, the meat goes to feed people (besides "pacifying the gods") so yeah, it *is* PETA mentality to call this killing of sheep barbarism. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-2-2 4:09:16 PM |
| #8 Is this making anyone else hungry? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-2-2 3:31:04 PM |
| #7 Come on Aris, it's hardly a PETA mentality to think it's barbaric to take your kids to watch lambsy woolsy get his throat slit to pacify the gods. Exactly what kid of lesson/message is that anyway? I guess I'm just not the type to think the a trip to the slaughter house is a appropriate or fun family outing ! |
| Posted by: B 2004-2-2 3:09:15 PM |
| #6 Hiryu--I have to agree somewhat. Branding and castrating calves ain't for the squeamish. But we didn't do that for fun or to satisfy the bloodlust of some moon god either. |
| Posted by: Dar 2004-2-2 1:53:48 PM |
| #5 Wow, didn't know you for PETA members, B and Crazyfool. ;-) |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-2-2 1:36:58 PM |
| #4 hello pre-school ...yes, I wanted to be sure that my child got to watch the cute little sheep get slaughtered. And then I want sign her up to watch the porn films (sex is a part of life) before we go on our field trip to watch the public execution. |
| Posted by: B 2004-2-2 11:18:09 AM |
| #3 Too much attention is given this story. Anyone who grew up on a working farm would merely shrug their shoulders. |
| Posted by: Hiryu 2004-2-2 11:07:18 AM |
| #2 How big of a step is it from slaughtering sheep to slaughtering |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-2-2 9:40:06 AM |
| #1 good. Once again we have too long ignored the barbarism of this culture. Let's get it out there so we can all decide how much we want to embrace the "religion of peace". |
| Posted by: B 2004-2-2 9:34:59 AM |