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Rummy Speaks
2004-02-11
People listen. EFL:
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, speaking in Munich February 7 during a question and answer session with participants at a conference on security, tackled the subject of how NATO might address strategic issues before they become military ones.
"[O]ne thing NATO might do," Rumsfeld said, "would be to do a better job of seeing that the intelligence capabilities of the respective countries are brought together and that the people in NATO and the capitals of NATO countries are kept tuned into those threats and the kinds of capabilities that we as free people face. We’re much more likely to get a faster common understanding to the extent we have a reasonably similar perspective with respect to what the facts are."
Asked for a good rationale to explain the doctrine of pre-emptive military action to European allies, Rumsfeld said what is at risk
"is something that we all, collectively, individually, are going to have to think through. ... What we’ve seen in the press is a ... private network in some instances ... moving around weapons of mass destruction and the abilities to produce them. If that’s happening ... one has to say, we know there’s an appetite on the part of terrorists to kill people. They’re training. People are being trained in schools to do that. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that at some point these private networks and these terrorist networks are going to connect, and at that moment people are going to have to face up to the realities of the 21st century."
Asked how the United States could contribute to relieving "stress" in the Middle East and Europe caused by the Israeli-Palestinian problem, Rumsfeld said,
"The United States needs to ... continue to work on it, Europe needs to ... continue ... working on it, but in the last analysis, a lasting solution in that part of the world is going to come because people are exasperated, exhausted and tired of seeing their opportunities for prosperity go down the drain and tired of listening to people shoot off their mouths and ... weapons and fire bullets and no one deliver a ... thing for the people."
Slap!
Following is the transcript of Rumsfeld’s question and answer session:
Read the whole thing, but here is the best:
Some Palestinian general(?) opens his mouth:

Q: [Palestinian general]: Mr. Secretary, You talked about countries that were trying to produce weapons of mass destruction. You talked about Iraq and you talked about Iran and North Korea. I have a question, a direct question to you. What are you doing with Israel? As far as Israel is concerned, Israel has more atomic weapons in the region than any other country. Why do you remain silent in regard to Israel? I think it’s important to answer this question because this has to do with the world, the strategy that we are pursuing today. I think that if the position towards Israel were different then the situation would be different in the Near East, and this is a great problem.
And Rummy hands him his head:
Rumsfeld: You know the answer before I give it, I’m sure. The world knows the answer. We take the world like you find it; and Israel is a small state with a small population. It’s a democracy and it exists in a neighborhood that in many -- over a period of time has opined from time to time that they’d prefer it not be there and they’d like it to be put in the sea. And Israel has opined that it would prefer not to get put in the sea, and as a result, over a period of decades, it has arranged itself so it hasn’t been put in the sea. Thank you very much.
Posted by:Steve

#21  The Palestinians have generals? Jeez, talk about your ultimate hack job!
Posted by: tu3031   2004-2-11 9:52:05 PM  

#20  Oh, geez - I was rummaging in a closet yesterday and came across some of those old games. Long live hexagonal grids! My beloved brought one of those games for us to play on our honeymoon ... not our FIRST activity, but we did play for hours one cold afternoon, sitting in the lodge in the Blue Ridge while the rain came down, with a fire in the fireplace, glasses of port (I *like* port, okay?) while I tried to learn the rules to a game he'd been playing for several years.

That was 30 years ago come May. Yikes!!
Posted by: rkb   2004-2-11 9:15:26 PM  

#19  It's Okay AntiPasto, I got the joke, and I am sure a lot of others did...

I got to Avalon Hill First Class, but then puberty intervened. Now that I'm a happily married old fart, I have time to get back into some the of computerized versions of these sorts of games, and realize what I have been missing all these years.

Damn puberty.

Posted by: Carl in NH   2004-2-11 8:26:21 PM  

#18  And between you and me and Faisal.... you need to read the posts..... I'm on your side.
Posted by: AntiPasto   2004-2-11 7:45:52 PM  

#17  "You don't play Dungeons and Dragons for all those years without learning a little something about courage
Now that's just insulting... I'm more of a PanzerBlitz, PanzerBush sort of leader. Altho I've binked around with Sturm nach Osten I've never had the 3000 sq ft. of wall space to properly enjoy the experience.

Posted by: AntiPasto   2004-2-11 7:43:26 PM  

#16  Rumsfeld was a Navy pilot before Vietnam. He served 3 yrs as flight instructor and aviator in the early 50s and then did 18 more years in the ready reserve (i.e. drilling monthly) and then to the retired Reserve (who can legally also be activated to regular service) for 12 more years. He retired as an O-6 (Navy Captain = Army full Colonel).

Rumsfeld became SecDefense for the 1st time in 1975.
Posted by: rkb   2004-2-11 7:40:35 PM  

#15  Rummy didn't serve in Vietnam... so there.

Then again, he didn't play "hide the medal" with Jane Fonda either, so that's two strikes against him...
Posted by: Pappy   2004-2-11 6:51:19 PM  

#14  I already had you figured for a slackard. does that mean you're 19 years old.
Posted by: GK   2004-2-11 6:43:02 PM  

#13  "You don't play Dungeons and Dragons for all those years without learning a little something about courage."
Posted by: eLarson   2004-2-11 6:41:43 PM  

#12  When was it you volunteered to serve your country in any capacity?
Well it's not a country but I served 19 years in Napoleon VII's Legion of Slack. Does that count?
Posted by: AntiPasto   2004-2-11 6:21:09 PM  

#11  Gotta agree with .com. This man is superb.

As for proliferation - things are getting much much worse since the unveling of what Pakistan has been up to. Read Belmont Club to see what he thinks of the situation. The terrible logic of the "The Three Conjectures" is almost upon us.

The next few years are going to be scary so I hope to God GWB gets re-elected.
Posted by: Tony (UK)   2004-2-11 5:39:48 PM  

#10  A nuclear weapon in the hands of Israel and and nuclear weapon in the hands of the aformention idiots, which includes the Palestinians, is kind of like some guy with a bar-b-que on his patio having a pack of matches and a serial arsonist having a pack of matches.

Only the loonies of the world cannot tell why there is a difference.
Posted by: Michael   2004-2-11 3:46:32 PM  

#9  Antipasto just how childish and uniformed are you?
Rumsfeld was in the US house of representatives during the first half of the war. He resigned in 1969 and went to work in the White House for the remainder of that war. When was it you volunteered to serve your country in any capacity?
Posted by: GK   2004-2-11 3:31:11 PM  

#8  Bush/McCain 2004- McCain/Powell 2008.
Posted by: dataman1   2004-2-11 2:59:09 PM  

#7  Rummy didn't serve in Vietnam... so there.
Posted by: AntiPasto   2004-2-11 2:55:58 PM  

#6  Rummy in 2008 with Rice as his VP!
Posted by: Charles   2004-2-11 2:52:32 PM  

#5  I agree..he was excellent at the conference
Posted by: True German Ally   2004-2-11 2:42:36 PM  

#4  Even at the age of 70, Rummy is the coolest guy with the biggest b*lls on the planet!
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro   2004-2-11 2:01:50 PM  

#3  Now that's what I call a righteous bitch-slapping!
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-2-11 1:58:00 PM  

#2  Rummy is simply awesome.
Posted by: .com   2004-2-11 1:42:37 PM  

#1  One of the best Secretary's of Defense in quite some time.
Posted by: Daniel King   2004-2-11 1:30:36 PM  

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