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Home Front: Politix
Evidence Puts Kerry At Kansas Parley
2004-03-22
From the March 19th edition of New York Sun. Funny it hasn't been more widely reported:
Senator Kerry of Massachusetts yesterday retreated from his earlier steadfast denials that he attended a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plan to assassinate U.S. Senators was debated. The reversal came as new evidence, including reports from FBI informants, emerged that contradicted Mr. Kerry’s previous statements about the gathering, which was held in Kansas City, Mo. in November 1971. “John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago,” a Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, said in a statement e-mailed last night from Idaho, where Mr. Kerry is on vacation.
The "I can't remember" defense.
"You can't prove he was sober!"
Mr. Wade said Mr. Kerry does remember “disagreements with elements of VVAW leadership” that led to his resignation, but the statement did not specify what the disagreements were.
That's unlikely. If the disagreements were resolved, then it's likely he'd forget about them. If they were serious enough to lead to his resignation, he'd remember why. That's just the way minds work.
“If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war,” the statement said.
Translation: "They have hard evidence? Shit!"
It did not address the murder plot, though as recently as Wednesday a top aide to Mr. Kerry said that the Massachusetts senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee was “absolutely certain” he was not present when the assassination plan, known as the “Phoenix Project,” was discussed.
"Nope. Nope. Never happened. Wudn't me."
The New York Sun first reported last week that other anti-war activists placed Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting. A total of six people have now said publicly that they remember seeing Mr. Kerry there. Participants say the plot was voted down, and several say they remember Mr. Kerry speaking and voting against it.
You'd think he'd remember something like this.
A historian and expert on activism against the Vietnam War, Gerald Nicosia, provided the Sun yesterday with minutes of the meeting.
You kept minutes of a meeting where you were voting on killing US Senators?
Mr. Nicosia also read quotes from FBI surveillance documents he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act as he was preparing his 2001 book, “Home to War.” “My evidence is incontrovertible. He was there,” Mr. Nicosia said in an interview yesterday. “There’s no way that five or six agents saw his ghost there.” Mr. Nicosia said that the records show Mr. Kerry resigned from the group on the third day of the meeting, following discussion of the assassination plan and an argument between Mr. Kerry and another VVAW national coordinator, Al Hubbard.
"Bumping off senators? This whole exercise is so that I can get to be a senator some day! And then I have to worry about getting waxe? I'm resignin'!"
Reading from an FBI informant report, Mr. Nicosia said, “John Kerry at a national Vietnam Veterans Against the War meeting appeared and announced to those present that he resigned for personal reasons but said he would be able to speak for VVAW” at future events.
Trying to have his cake and eat it too.
Isn't that cute? His first waffle... Well, maybe his 708th...
Another document “describes a conversation actually a confrontation between John Kerry and Hubbard that was taking place on one of the days of that meeting,” Mr. Nicosia added. Mr. Nicosia said it is clear that Mr. Kerry and the others resigned because of the extreme actions the group was considering. “It’s kind of unmistakable to see a pattern. All four of them were out the door, bingo, the morning after” the socalled Phoenix plot was discussed, the author said. Mr. Nicosia generally declined to speculate on why Mr. Kerry had denied being present.
Presumably because he was at a meeting where murder and probably treason were discussed and he didn't even call the cops.
However, the author did observe, “Especially if you’re running for president, you don’t want to be associated with a plot for assassinating people.”
Now there is a understatement.
Mr. Nicosia repeatedly stressed that he was not calling Mr. Kerry a liar and said he has no animus towards the senator. The historian said he sent copies of some of the documents to the Kerry campaign yesterday morning on his own initiative. “I think Senator Kerry better get his story straight on this,”Mr. Nicosia said.
Why start now?
“I’m a Kerry supporter. I honor the guy,” Mr.Nicosia said. He noted that Mr. Kerry threw a book party for “Home at War” at the Hart Senate Office Building. The senator also wrote a positive blurb for the book’s dust jacket. The book does not mention Mr. Kerry’s presence at the Kansas City meeting. Mr. Nicosia said he did not have the FBI files as he was writing the manuscript. Other accounts led him to think that Mr. Kerry had quit the group at a July meeting in St. Louis. Mr. Nicosia also provided the Sun with minutes of the meeting that he obtained from the Wisconsin state archives, which hold most of VVAW’s papers. The minutes, prepared at the group’s national office in New York, recount the actions taken by VVAW’s “emergency steering committee” during the four-day meeting, which ran from November 12 to 15, 1971. The minutes indicate that at the end of the day on Saturday, November 13, discussion turned to “national actions and other things.” The meeting is reported to have adjourned at 10 p.m. and resumed at 11 a.m. Sunday. The document goes on to say that the group passed a motion to hold a “national action
 in 3 to 5 different sites.” The next entry in the minutes is, “John Kerry, Scott Moore, Mike Oliver and Skip Roberts resigned as national coordinators.” A later entry indicates that it was decided that the resignations and the decision on the “national action” should be reflected in all the group’s papers. According to Mr. Nicosia, the FBI documents and other records do not include any direct reference to the assassination plot. However, Mr. Nicosia said some informants who attended the Kansas City meeting warned the FBI of a “drastic move toward more violent actions.”
Was one of them John Kerry? No? Guess he didn't think killing senators was important. Now, he is one.
A VVAW chapter newsletter obtained by the Sun reports that after “much argument” the Kansas City meeting went into closed session “for various opaque reasons of security and expediency in order to discuss the national Christmas action.” The newsletter also notes the resignation of Mr. Kerry and the other three leaders. It cites “personality conflicts and differences in political philosophies” as the main reasons for the resignations. A group of VVAW members seized the Statue of Liberty on behalf of the group on December 27, 1971. It’s unclear whether that action was approved at the Kansas City meeting in November. The three other men who appear to have resigned along with Mr. Kerry did not respond to requests for comment for this story.
No doubt on the advice of their lawyers.
Mr. Moore did not reply to an e-mail and messages left at his home. Mr. Roberts is now the legislative director for the Service Employees International Union, which is supporting Mr. Kerry’s presidential bid.
Tap, tap, nope.
Reached at his union office Wednesday, Mr. Roberts said he would call back but did not. Efforts to locate Mr. Oliver were unsuccessful. Earlier in the week, some aides to Mr. Kerry suggested that because he appeared on a PBS “Firing Line” broadcast with William F. Buckley on November 14, 1971, Mr. Kerry could not have attended the Kansas City gathering. But that contention also disintegrated yesterday on closer examination.
Don't you hate it when the facts get in the way of a alibi?
Tapes of the “Firing Line” television program are housed at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. An archivist there, Carol Leadenham, told the Sun that Mr. Kerry and Mr. Buckley taped a program on November 2, 1971. No air date was noted, but Ms. Leadenham said it is likely that it aired about two weeks later. “That’s about the usual time between the taping and the air date,” she said.
It ain't live, it's Memorex.
This is starting to sound like an episode of Columbo. When Peter Falk shows up, I'm leaving...
Some discrepancies in Mr. Kerry’s earlier statements about VVAW remain unaddressed by the campaign. Last week, Mr. Kerry said he last saw Mr. Hubbard in April 1971, shortly before a National Review article exposed Mr. Hubbard for exaggerating his rank and his service record in Vietnam. However, a New York Times report put Mr. Kerry at a fund-raiser with Mr. Hubbard on Long Island on August 29, 1971. Now, Mr. Nicosia’s documents indicate that Mr. Kerry had a verbal altercation with Mr. Hubbard in November of that year.
John Kerry, this is your life.
Posted by:Steve

#11  Yes you are right - it would be the ultimate waffle wouldn't it? But he did continue to support the group even after he resigned the leadership.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-3-23 12:00:51 AM  

#10  But why then is he denying it now - 33-odd years later? You would think that revealing it now would show him to be Hero.

It would also be the ultimate waffle. Not even Benedict Arnold backstabbed both sides during the Revolution.
Posted by: Darth VAda   2004-3-22 11:26:17 PM  

#9  You would think that revealing it now would show him to be Hero.

But what would it do to his standing with the Democrat base?
Posted by: Pappy   2004-3-22 10:19:31 PM  

#8  SW - He could have been. But why then is he denying it now - 33-odd years later? You would think that revealing it now would show him to be Hero.

And he did continue to support the group and would 'speak for them'....
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-3-22 7:46:06 PM  

#7  SW is possibly right! another example of being on both sides of every issue!
Posted by: Frank G   2004-3-22 6:54:53 PM  

#6  So this will be the lead story - above the fold - in the NYT, WaPo, LAT, etc., right? Also CNN and all the networks? They'll rag on it for weeks, right?

No?

Tap-tap. Nope, surprise meter didn't budge.

#5 Steve White: You're cute when you're trying to defend Kerry with your "what-if." Naive, but cute. :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2004-3-22 5:35:45 PM  

#5  What if John Kerry was one of the informants?

I'm just asking, but it would explain a) why Kerry didn't call the FBI (they were already in), b) why he resigned (cover close to being blown, perhaps) c) why he's waffled and dissembled about this all these years (don't want to be the stoolie).
Posted by: Steve White   2004-3-22 5:25:58 PM  

#4  Let me get this right. John F Kerry attended a meeting where the assination of U.S. Senators were discussed and, while he did not support it, did not report it to the authorities and continued to support the group?

And the media is not picking this up? But they go into great detail (over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.. you get the idea) again about Bushs attendence at National Guard in Alabama?

Is there something wrong here? Anyone? Hello?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-3-22 4:38:58 PM  

#3  The "I can't remember" defense.
Interesting how some folks can't remember a thing about an event or era when put on the spot, but can write and publish a 300 page book covering the same subject.
Posted by: GK   2004-3-22 4:30:40 PM  

#2  He'd better arrange for "I don't recall" lessons from the Hilldabeast
Posted by: Frank G   2004-3-22 4:11:11 PM  

#1  hope this one gets out! Could be the end of Kerry if enough fuss is kicked up about this,Should he not be booted from congress for this crime too
Posted by: Shep UK   2004-3-22 3:29:25 PM  

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