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Saudi Official Reminds Listeners That Arabs Don’t Do Anything and Need Direction From Outside
2004-03-24
Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister has criticised US-led calls for reform in the Middle East. Prince Saud al-Faisal said Arab nations could tackle their problems themselves. .... Prince Faisal said Washington’s calls for reform ignored the fact that Arabs have cultures rooted in history and can handle their own affairs. .... Saudi Arabia has already promised municipal elections later this year, but says any political change will not be influenced by outside pressure. The Saudi authorities rejected criticism from Washington over its arrest of several pro-reform activists last week, saying it was an internal affair. .... He said the proposals "include clear accusations against the Arab people and their governments that they are ignorant of their own affairs. Those behind these plans ignore the fact that our Arab people have cultures rooted deep in history and that we are able to handle our own affairs." He said such calls for Arabs to join the modern world were made "as if we had not been doing anything and had just been waiting for direction from outside".
"Us Arabs have a long and glorious history of despotism. It's a cultural thing. You wouldn't understand."
Posted by:Mike Sylwester

#44  That's quite a series of "back" and "submit" button hits. Sal must be exhausted.
Yawn. FOAD.
Posted by: .com   2004-03-24 9:19:08 PM  

#43  Sorry, Yonah is the anti-Zionist. (Interesting for a Jew to feel that way about the nation of Israel.)
Sal is more on message about the Sauds, but the both of you have severe multiple posting issues.
Posted by: Jen   2004-03-24 8:13:36 PM  

#42  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Yonah Lifshitz   2004-03-24 8:12:17 PM  

#41  Sal, honey, you live in some kind of strange anti-Zionist "Groundhog Day" hell that I don't think RB-ers can help you with.
Posted by: Jen   2004-03-24 8:11:23 PM  

#40  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Yonah Lifshitz   2004-03-24 8:11:12 PM  

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Posted by: Yonah Lifshitz   2004-03-24 8:09:59 PM  

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Posted by: Sal Berg   2004-03-24 8:08:16 PM  

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Posted by: Sal Berg    2004-03-24 8:01:31 PM  

#36  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Sal Berg   2004-03-24 8:00:44 PM  

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Posted by: Sal Berg   2004-03-24 7:59:14 PM  

#34  Sounds good Sal, but I never make up my mind before M4D brings his wisdom.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-03-24 7:59:01 PM  

#33  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Sal Berg    2004-03-24 7:58:27 PM  

#32  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Sal Berg    2004-03-24 7:57:09 PM  

#31  The total number of translated works to Arabic in the last 10 centuries is the same as the number of books translated in one year to Spanish. Anything been written in Arabic in the past thousand years that was worth the effort to translate to any other language? Nobuaki Notohara's book doesn't count.
Posted by: GK   2004-03-24 5:46:49 PM  

#30  Okay... But The Enforcer and The Prosecutor are pretty scary.
Posted by: Fred   2004-03-24 5:04:51 PM  

#29  I would like to see the correct moniker added. If its Boris, and its coming from the same IP, I'd like to see Boris the Troll instead of just Troll. It will help us all see how persistant one or two folks can be. As is it could be hundreds of different fools.
Posted by: ruprecht   2004-03-24 3:42:41 PM  

#28  I guess much didn't stick from his Princeton days...unless he had others do his term papers for him. He needs to be tested to find out his Cerebral Calcification Quotient
Posted by: Michael   2004-03-24 2:16:04 PM  

#27  "My name is Boris and Bush made me his bitch last night - and I liked it."

How about "I'm Boris, president of the Madeline Albright Fan Club. She is soooo hot!"

Back on topic: Arabs have cultures rooted in history and can handle their own affairs

"Radical Islam is a Saudi thing. You wouldn't understand."
Posted by: Pappy   2004-03-24 1:12:48 PM  

#26  Dragon Fly - Here's one that's just as telling as your examples:

The total number of translated works to Arabic in the last 10 centuries is the same as the number of books translated in one year to Spanish. The pitiful number of 220 books translated to Arabic annually is only one-fifth of the works translated to Greek every year, while the Arab population is 28 times the size of the Greek population.

When the only book you tend to read is the Koran, you tend to be ignorant. Cause, meet Effect.TM

We rest our case.
Posted by: Raj   2004-03-24 12:48:42 PM  

#25  BH, great idea, it could read "My name is Boris and Bush made me his bitch last night - and I liked it."
Posted by: Jarhead   2004-3-24 12:35:00 PM  

#24  Fred, nice job on the troll deletion code! Is there a way that the troll's comments can be replaced with a random pro-USA/Bush/Israel/Sharon comment? I bet that would be really annoying.
Posted by: BH   2004-3-24 11:58:59 AM  

#23  Zelnick? "Master of the Pan Flute", wasn't he?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-3-24 11:34:02 AM  

#22  mojo - Lol! You be a literalist, methinks!
Posted by: .com   2004-3-24 11:22:06 AM  

#21  Well, gee whiz. I mean, where do you take a Zionist Propaganda machine for repairs? The local Zionist Propaganda Garage? Temple Beth Propaganda? NASA?

Any Serb propagandists in the house?
Posted by: mojo   2004-3-24 11:20:53 AM  

#20  I don't even read them before dumping them anymore. Except for the one about Zelnick.
Posted by: Fred   2004-3-24 11:17:13 AM  

#19  Jarhead - I don't think it'd be a good idea to re-post deleted posts anywhere. If trolls like Boris post here to Googlebomb, or for perverse self-satisfaction, that would defeat the object of removing them in the first place. Better to simply delete the posts as they appear and hope that the bastard loses interest when it realises that it's wasting its time, and more than Fred's...
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-3-24 11:13:44 AM  

#18  Hollyweird Producer?
Posted by: .com   2004-3-24 11:08:35 AM  

#17  "...ignore the fact that our Arab people have cultures rooted deep in history and that we are able to handle our own affairs..."

Those roots must drink deeply from an aquifer with a high concentration of the element assholium .
Posted by: Hyper   2004-3-24 11:08:06 AM  

#16  Who the hell is Zelnick?
Posted by: Fred   2004-3-24 11:06:59 AM  

#15  Zionist propaganda machine? Jeezus, I guess everybody really is outsourcing...
Posted by: tu3031   2004-3-24 10:41:28 AM  

#14  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: TROLL   2004-3-24 10:36:23 AM  

#13  LOL Dragon Fly.

BTW Snellenr read your link yesterday about the abort to KSC.... sheeesh.... Think about riding down the smoke trail you just left 5 minutes before. General Yeager, John Young and maybe Gordo Cooper could have gotten away with it....
Posted by: Shipman   2004-3-24 10:19:37 AM  

#12  On the positive side, Fred, you're building a great database for a new product. Add some AI to his posts and, voila!

Troll-a-Matic
Amaze your friends with your ability to post off-topic rants on the Internet!
Posted by: snellenr   2004-3-24 9:46:47 AM  

#11  Jarhead:

It is not exactly what you asked for but if you want to "see what these morons [are] saying" I find reading the NYT or WashPost just as effective as rubbing shards of glass against my eyes. :-)
Posted by: Dragon Fly   2004-3-24 9:42:01 AM  

#10  Fred, I haven't paid much attention to the troll deletion situation until today. I was wondering if there was an area where I could see what these morons were saying without it being posted to the main rants? Not sure if that's possible but would be amusing to me assuming it's not too much trouble for you or if your new sop is just to delete their verbal vomit pell-mell. It always makes me feel good to see that there are people who are more stupid then myself in the world. Lucky for me that as long as the LLL exists - there always will be.
Posted by: Jarhead   2004-3-24 9:36:12 AM  

#9  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: TROLL   2004-3-24 8:41:06 AM  

#8  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: TROLL   2004-3-24 8:17:03 AM  

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Posted by: TROLL   2004-3-24 8:07:08 AM  

#6  Prince Saud al-Faisal said Arab nations could tackle their problems themselves. ....

Arab nations highlights:

1. No one single top notch college or university (except maybe American University in Egypt)
2. Not one contribution to science in decades
3. Nothing of anyvalue is manufactured in the Arab world

...shall I continue?
Posted by: Dragon Fly   2004-3-24 7:51:37 AM  

#5  Sea & Lynch Mob - LOL! Spot-on, folks!

I love this. We have the US directly and harshly criticizing the disingenuous window-dressing offered up by the Royals. We have the Saoodi FM, tentaively #3 on the Royal hit parade - and likely to be the next actual kingy thing - Abdullah's older than dirt, like Nayef and Fathead, getting his Royal shorts in a bunch and making very harsh statements - at least for the diplo-game. Pretty close to a break, in fact, if it continues this way.

Yaaaaahoooo! Turn up the volume! Let's get it ON!
Posted by: .com   2004-3-24 6:38:26 AM  

#4  if you u.s. guys don't stop this shit --your saudi 401k's will be terminated--we're modernizing--we've gone from the 7th century to the 8th--leave us alone to evolve at the pace of desert non-vertebrate chordata
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI   2004-3-24 12:55:29 AM  

#3  "Do we have any Grey Poupon,... INFIDEL!"
Posted by: tu3031   2004-3-24 12:49:45 AM  

#2  "And I'll have her beaten if she forgot those little crumpets I like."
Posted by: Pappy   2004-3-24 12:38:40 AM  

#1  "I will have more comments on this subject as soon as my Filippino maid brings me some fresh tea."
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-3-24 12:07:01 AM  

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