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| Meanwhile in Amsterdam, Let’s Mutilate Our Children | |
| 2004-04-09 | |
| For the first time in the Netherlands, a mosque has come out in support of female circumcision. The highly controversial statement on circumcision comes from a pamphlet "Fatwas of Muslim Women" provided by the El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam for its open day. The pamphlet says that women who lie deserve 100 blows and the husband’s duty of care for his wife is negated if she refuses him sex or leaves the home without his permission. There have been many claims in the media in recent years about "imported brides" who are forced by their husbands to stay in the family home — unless accompanied outside by a male relative. Some of these women, it is claimed, live in total isolation from Dutch society. The call for girls to be circumcised — removing part of the female genitalia — is likely to cause the biggest outcry so far. If done right, the mosque’s pamphlet claims, circumcision is healthy for both boys and girls. But unlike male circumcision — in which the mosque claims that for reasons of hygiene, the male’s foreskin can be circumcised — there are absolutely no medical grounds for female circumcision. Islamist Imams just like to play with little girl’s bottoms Nevertheless, it urges that the foreskin of a girl’s clitoris should be removed, but not the clitoris itself — as is often wrongly assumed to be the case. Removing the foreskin would help the woman keep her feelings of lust under control, the pamphlet says. I know it’s just me...But I’ve never wanted to keep a woman’s feelings of lust under control...lol. In truth, I hope for just the opposite! In recent weeks, politicians have called for the Dutch government to do more to stop the practice among immigrant communities. To date, the Health Ministry has ruled out compulsory checks on girls to make sure they have not been circumcised.
It is really nice to see men (?) so self-confident in their sexuality that they have to mutilate their female children to feel secure about themelves.... | |
| Posted by:Traveller |
| #18 Thanks, Steve & Craig, for the info on widow burning. It's enough to drive one mad, trying to find a solution to the FGM. Although I'm all for it, (Brit style), if fathers and mothers are punished, then the little girl's situation becomes public--a real problem for the girls in our "civilized" societies. Frank G: "Where is NOW on this?" (crickets chirping) Yeah. They're too busy hanging out in abortion clinics, going one step further . . . but don't get me started on that one. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-04-10 1:41:23 AM |
| #17 Where is NOW on this? (crickets chirping) |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-04-09 7:46:59 PM |
| #16 I think AntiGum isn't getting any lately ... ex-lib, Craig is correct. As the story went in Bombay, the locals protested the banning of widow burning by going to the Brit governor and complaining, saying that this was a tradition of theirs. The governor replied that hanging murderers was a tradition in Britain. He then said words to the effect of, "you should feel free to follow your tradition, after which we shall be free to follow ours." The practice stopped. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2004-04-09 7:26:44 PM |
| #15 IMHO, Antigum is spoofing an LLL position. Zenster, you state a plan which I fully support. With the barbaric practice of FGM being hidden in the sanctity of the private home, I see no milder way to bring it to a halt PRONTO! I would just like to point out that not all Muslims practice this sh*t, and there are other "cultures" which practice it too. Again NO culture or society has the right to do this to their little girls. FGM is not female circumcision, there is no such equivolent with respect to the female genitalia. Male foreskin is skin- all the female tissue involved is far beyond that. Mommydoc's postings in LGF clearly illustrate the vast difference. |
| Posted by: Craig 2004-04-09 6:55:46 PM |
| #14 Oh, for God's sake! Is this really Antiwar or somebody spoofing us? Could she *really* be that f'ing stupid to defend mutilation of little girls?! Yeah, go ahead and slice little girls' clits off, but whatever you do don't toss your gum where Antiwar might walk. I'll save you the effort: whatEVER F'ing moonbat. |
| Posted by: Dar 2004-04-09 5:35:36 PM |
| #13 Conveniently ignored by AntiGum is the fact that these So, in a 'different culture' it's all right to mutilate other people against their will? Why isn't that a problem, AntiGum? Didn't being a liberal used to mean supporting people's free will? Thoughtless leftist... |
| Posted by: Raj 2004-04-09 5:05:24 PM |
| #12 For the first time in the Netherlands, a mosque has come out in support of female circumcision. Photo ID everyone in that mosque and arrest every single one of them for suspicion of abuse. Have every single female child of theirs medically examined by a licensed gynecologist and put up for adoption every single female child who has been mutilated. Do this for every single mosque that advocates this barbaric practice. "Female circumcision" does not exist. It is merely a polite term for genital mutilation. Arab traditions blame women for man's downfall (per the Eden scenario). Genital mutilation is the entrenched Moslem method to prevent this putative temptation. If Islam is not able to produce a fatwa against all female genital mutilation, then it does not qualify as a legitimate religion. Like incest, child abuse and domestic violence, some things were never meant to become traditions. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-04-09 4:59:23 PM |
| #11 You Freeper morons... can't you see that this is a differnt culture? What is this big hangup you cliff dwellers have with sexual gratification? It's a myth! I'd rather open a gallon of decent Ben & Jerry's than to listen to you morons opine on SEX. |
| Posted by: AntiGum 2004-04-09 4:56:57 PM |
| #10 In case Steve is gone and does not reply to ex-lib; The Indian widow was expected to immolate herself on her dead husband's funeral pyre- probably quite often with "help". The Brits found the practice horrifying and sought to make a change. When the natives protested that this was their custom, it is reputed the Brits replied that it is British custom to shoot MFers who toss widows onto bonfires. And the Brits followed through on this sufficiently to actually make it stick! Thus the world is all the poorer since, as it lost one of it's diverse cultures' quaint and unique customs. (sarcasm off) I really do hope we can stop FGM. It won't be easy as this is deeply held and practiced in the home by family members, though that is no excuse for not trying like hell to change it! |
| Posted by: Craig 2004-04-09 4:26:46 PM |
| #9 Steve: What was widow-burning, and how'd the Brits stop it? And what are you thinking to do re: FGM? Correction on: "Although their hormones are still functioning, their ability to enjoy sexual feelings of any kind is destroyed, and many suffer from depression, anxiety, and traumatic stress disorders." I was researching on this topic about four years ago. Since then, more studies have been conducted (a small miracle, considering the many obstacles). While many women suffer with lifelong problems associated the mutilation and do not experience any sexual pleasure, others seem to be able to recover some of their sexuality--there are a lot of variables involved, but it's good news that all is not a total loss in every case. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-04-09 3:35:05 PM |
| #8 Ex-lib, thanks. I'm a doc and so had a technical understanding, but not how this was done "in the field." Since I have no problem with the death penalty when properly judged and applied, I think I can come up with one way to stop this nonsense, similar to how the Brits stopped widow-burning in India. |
| Posted by: Steve White 2004-04-09 3:08:17 PM |
| #7 Unfortunately, the "most extreme" type of FGM is widely practiced. Even if FGM is done by a "physician," the results are the same--even for the "lesser" varieties, sexual function is either severely diminished or eliminated. YS: Yeah, these "men" are stupid--talk about shootin' yerself in the foot! Go figure. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-04-09 2:09:11 PM |
| #6 LGF has discussed this heinous practice on many threads. There are three general levels of this abuse, while all of them are sadistic the above discription is of the most extreme. Unbelieveably the rate of FGM (female genital mutilation) in Egypt is 97%! I do not believe that all Muslims practice this and there are some other "cultures" like African animists that also do it. There is NO excuse for any so called culture to practice this inhumane ritual at any of it's shameful levels. See some of Mommydoc's postings at LGF. |
| Posted by: Craig 2004-04-09 1:33:03 PM |
| #5 WOW..... I didn't imagine the process being that extreme. How can people stand to do this to their own children? Its a sad day whenever religious clerics require you to mutilate children as a step toward their purification. |
| Posted by: Annie Onomous 2004-04-09 12:46:16 PM |
| #4 I remember when I first researched this topic, I was freaked out for about a month. It's very disturbing, and is one more reason for the WOT in my opinion! Infibulation is an evil war of terror which has been waged against little girls for too long. It must be stopped. If such devilish ignorance is to be overcome, access to education is a big concern. If the West wins the WOT, there is a better chance for the right information to reach the people who need it. Backward cultures need other ideas about how to live--which, itself, is another big problem: "these women, it is claimed, live in total isolation from Dutch society . . ." The facts are worse than the Amsterdam post intimates. Unfortunately, the practice is common in Africa and in many parts of the Middle East and in some (Islamic) Asian countries. For those on Rantburg who don't know what female cicumcision is--a quick intro is provided below, or , please direct to link. (Fran P. Hosken is one of the best researchers in the field and a strong advocate against female circumcision. ) The book, Desert Flower, by supermodel Waris Dirie, is excellent, as well--details her personal journey from Africa to London. (Talk about one tough lady!) Dirie, herself a victim of FGM, is now an outspoken representative against the practice. Description of Infibulation: 'The little girl, entirely nude, is immobilised in the sitting position on a low stool by at least three women. One of them with her arms tightly around the little girl's chest; two others hold the child's thighs apart by force, in order to open wide the vulva. The child's arms are tied behind her back, or immobilized by two other women guests. The traditional operator says a short prayer: "Allah is great and Mahomet is His Prophet. May Allah keep away all evils." Then she spreads on the floor some offerings to Allah: split maize, or, in urban areas, eggs. Then the old woman takes her razor and excises the clitoris. The infibulation follows: the operator cuts with her razor from top to bottom of the small lip and then scrapes the flesh from the inside of the large lip. This nymphectomy and scraping are repeated on the other side of the vulva. The little girl howls and writhes in pain, although strongly held down. The operator wipes the blood from the wound and the mother, as well as the guests, "verify" her work, sometimes putting their fingers in. The amount of scraping of the large lips depends upon the "technical" ability of the operator. The opening left for urine and menstrual blood is miniscule. Then the operator applies a paste and ensures the adhesion of the large lips by means of an acacia thorn, which pierces one lip and passes through into the other. She sticks in three or four in this manner down the vulva. These thorns are then held in place either by means of sewing thread, or with horse-hair. Paste is again put on the wound. But all this is not sufficient to ensure the coalescence of the large lips; so the little girl is then tied up from her pelvis to her feet: strips of material rolled up into a rope immobilize her legs entirely. Exhausted, the little girl is then dressed and put on a bed. The operation lasts from fifteen to twenty minutes according to the ability of the old woman and the resistance put up by the child.' (By M.A.S. Mustafa, of Djibouti, from the thesis of Dr. Alan David) The girls are put under tremendous social pressure regarding this operation, and are made to feel like they will "pure" and "acceptable" by it. Being little girls, they often believe it is something entirely different than what it turns out to be. The yearly mortality rate from this "operation" is high, and it is often performed with dull knives, and pot shards (for the "scraping"). All that is left of the female genetalia is thick, leathery scar tissue. The women have to undergo subsequent infibulations for intercourse and during childbirth. Although their hormones are still functioning, their ability to enjoy sexual feelings of any kind is destroyed, and many suffer from depression, anxiety, and traumatic stress disorders. I think the Islamotwerps that promote or sanction this practice are the real "firewood for hell." |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-04-09 11:56:20 AM |
| #3 A woman who's desensitized to sex isn't going to cheat on her worthless hubby because sex with another man would be just as dull and numb. They're nothing but domestic servants and baby factories for more jihadis. How 'bout we make a deal: You can circumsize your women but you must castrate your men at the same time. |
| Posted by: Dar 2004-04-09 11:42:30 AM |
| #2 Give me a slutty biker chick that can suck a golfball through a garden hose Humm, sounds like YS is channeling Bill Clinton today. |
| Posted by: Steve 2004-04-09 11:16:59 AM |
| #1 I just don't get why these dude are so hung up on virgins that can't feel anything. Give me a slutty biker chick that can suck a golfball through a garden hose anyday over a fumbling, desensitised virgin! |
| Posted by: Yosemite Sam 2004-04-09 10:14:06 AM |