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| 2004-05-11 |
| EFL Two factors mainly contribute to this world-shaking development. · The hollowing out of Christianity. Europe is increasingly a post-Christian society, one with a diminishing connection to its tradition or its historic values. The numbers of believing, observant Christians has collapsed in the past two generations to the point that some observers call it the ânew dark continent.â Already, analysts estimate Britainâs mosques host more worshippers each week than does the Church of England. · An anemic birth rate. Indigenous Europeans are dying out. Sustaining a population requires each woman on average to bear 2.1 children; in the European Union, the overall rate is a one-third short, at 1.5 per woman, and falling. One study finds that, should current population trends continue and immigration cease, todayâs population of 375 million could decline to 275 million by 2075. To keep its working population even, the EU needs 1.6 million immigrants a year; to sustain the present workers-to-retirees ratio requires an astonishing 13.5 million immigrants annually. |
| Posted by:Dragon Fly |
| #9 i work with alot of immigrant indians and while they are all married to indians they are embracing american culture as well as their own. the few that have been in america most of there lives are pretty much totally americanized, and their children are much more american than they are indian. |
| Posted by: brad 2004-05-11 4:49:42 PM |
| #8 Anonymoose, you are neglecting the bit about mussies not integrating, cuz they don't check it out, arab muslims aint exactly new to the area. even here in america it is an issue, anecdote: a close friend of my family was nearly killed by a muslim father who disapproved of the friend dating his daughter (yes he really tried to kill him, no he did not get in trouble for it(rich)) failing that he had his daughter kidnapped, (yeah she is over 18, no he did not get in trouble for it, he is muslim so it's ok to kidnap his adult daughter, cultural thing) there is a lot more unpleasentness to the story, buh the family friend like's his privacy and I don wanna give enough for it to be researchable, anyway by now she 99.9999% likly to have been pushed into a forced marriage this is assimilation? assimilation is no gurantee hell, just two examples from my college... (references below to indians refers to a folks from india, not native americans) here at drexel I can not hang out with the asian crowd or the indian crowd. Reason: I am white. (and by crowd I mean crowd, they stick to their own, assimilation my ass.) I can't get a date with an asian, a black, or an indian either. They don't do white men. (there are rare excepetions with the asians and the blacks. Buh not the indian folks, even non-whites have a hard time catching 'em, I've never seen one that wasn't with another indian) (yes that was simplified, pls don nitpick) it does not even happen here, 'the great melting pot', and you expect it to happen in europe? The only thing europe knows how to do is screw up. nothing but nastyness is awaiting europe |
| Posted by: Dcreeper 2004-05-11 12:53:17 PM |
| #7 The decline in white European birth rates started with the availability of the pill in the 60's and accelerated with the changing attitudes towards abortion and life in general. This was the subject in 1980 of Gunter Grass' book Kopfgeburten: Oder Die Deutschen Sterben Aus (Headbirths: Or, The Germans Are Dying Out). It obviously continued to plummet. Now it has reached the point of almost a collective national suicide. The only thing that could turn around something so entrenched and so pervasive would be a new sense of national purpose, a reason to think that the future could be better than the present. Something to make the petty personal sacrifices associated with having children seem trivial. Socialist governments have a very hard time inspiring optimism in their peoples. Unless Atlas Shrugs, white Europe just fades away. |
| Posted by: RWV 2004-05-11 12:52:50 PM |
| #6 So - when forced burka wearing is the rule, will Europe continue to appease |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-05-11 12:08:14 PM |
| #5 Demographics are never straight line. One of the biggest factors will be the prosperity of Moslems in Europe. When they achieve a certain degree of economic prosperity, their birth rate will drop like a rock. Pretty assured, unless Europe continues to admit lots of new Moslem immigrants. A third article, like the two from which this story was derived, pointed out that the vast majority of inmates in British prisons are technically Moslems. But not what you would call "real" Moslems. Mostly young men who might call themselves Moslem, but only for the 'perks' of Islam, not for the religion itself. A nasty bunch, much like typical 2nd generation immigrants, that are neither "old country" or "new country", and form criminal gangs and mafias. They are just punks. To see what Moslems will look like in a generation or two, look at the Irish or Italians in the US, and how they have integrated. They are no longer "old country" or halfway in between, they are thoroughly American, whether or not they call themselves "American" or "Irish-" or "Italian-American." When they eventually purge their mosques of radical Wahabbi influences, they will settle down and become religiously conservative as the CofE, complete with boring sermons and dull coffees after. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2004-05-11 11:59:22 AM |
| #4 When can Europe start "Seething" and shaking their bony fists? |
| Posted by: JackAssFestival 2004-05-11 11:46:17 AM |
| #3 OOOH BOY, I cant wait until this reaches America. I can't wait to jump up and down on blown up HumVees and cover my head with a checkered diaper. Can we get those 72 Virgins in advance? |
| Posted by: JackAssFestival 2004-05-11 11:40:03 AM |
| #2 While Christianity may be hollowed out, that does not mean that there is no religion in Europe, simply that it isn't Christianity, or Islam. When the Islamists start to threaten the materialistic hedonism of the Europeans, it is not hard to imagine a 17th century response. |
| Posted by: Mr. Davis 2004-05-11 11:32:22 AM |
| #1 The Islamic demographic development makes that some European cities will have Islamic majorities within the next 50 years. Check the following link to see the demographic developments in The Netherlands. http://www.cbs.nl/en/publications/articles/webmagazine/2003/1298k.htm |
| Posted by: Dutchgeek 2004-05-11 10:26:22 AM |