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Iraq-Jordan
Iraqis worry that as Fallujah goes, so goes the U.S. occupation
2004-04-11
Interesting perspective on the liberal perception as well as the Arab mindset.
On television, the children are unmoving, dead in the streets, blood pooling and spreading underneath them. On radio, announcers accuse Americans of attacking helpless civilians, not even allowing them to move for treatment of their bullet wounds. In newspapers, the stories ask if the deaths of perhaps hundreds of innocent civilians is not a greater crime than the horrific deaths and mutilations of four Americans.
It's a propaganda technique to make the retaliation the subject, rather than the original crime. If you make it a habit, you lose track of cause and effect. Arabs have been doing it for a thousand years...
For the past week, those have been the images, sounds and words that Iraqis have been taking in as everything here has focused on Fallujah. In this one week, Fallujah has come to symbolize for Iraqis everything that is wrong with the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. "When the four Americans were murdered, almost all Iraqis were horrified, and understood that the reaction must be strong," said Iraqi journalist Dhrgam Mohammed Ali, referring to the killing March 31 of four private security guards whose bodies were then mutilated, dragged through Fallujah and hung from a bridge. "But now, we see women and children dying, trying to escape and not being allowed to, and many stop remembering the dead Americans. Instead, they wonder why four dead Americans are worth so much, while hundreds of dead Iraqis are worth so little."
Because the dead Iraqis aren't killed in ambushes and their bodies aren't mutilated by jubilant Marines? Because any women and kiddies who get it aren't the targets, but the Bad Guys standing behind them?
Umm Marwa, who has fled her home in Fallujah, said the March 31 attack -- if not the crowd’s behavior -- was honorable. "The mujahedeen killed them and left them alone," she said. "It was some of the mob that was there that pulled them apart." Others, though, said even the mutilation was understandable. "Those people who dragged the Americans’ bodies through the streets, they certainly had had a brother or a father killed by the Americans; they had burnt hearts," said resident Umm Samir.
So you've got no objection to any Americans pulling the arms off dead Iraqis? After all, the Marines have lost men, too, right?
There is no official toll of dead and wounded Iraqis in Fallujah since the U.S. Marines began trying to take control of the town four days ago, but U.S. officials acknowledge many of the dead were civilians. Casualty estimates range as high as 450 deaths and more than 1,000 wounded. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt on Saturday again defended American tactics, saying that Marines had been fired upon from mosques and from crowds containing women and children. He said Marines had tried to avoid civilian casualties, firing back in dangerous situations only in self-defense.
Great way to "defend your people," isn't it?
Residents told a different story. Many refused to give their names, saying that even talking to an American right now could endanger their lives.
Un-named sources can't be verified, can they? Great way to get the Bad Guys' story out...
But one, a doctor, said: "I was in my home for days, unable to leave, even to treat the sick, for fear of being shot. One morning, I decided I had to make it to the hospital, but just before I left, I saw my neighbor walk from his house. An American sniper shot him, once in the head. I was afraid to go out to him, to treat him. I watched him die."
How very sad. The neighbor, no doubt, was just returning the lawn mower he'd borrowed last week. That was what he had in his hand. And how come the Doc wasn't shot in the head? Could it be that he wasn't carrying anything?
One young woman asked why the Americans had to take out their anger on a whole city. "They are angry, yes, but we were not all guilty, and yet we were all punished. Every time they shot another man, his brother, his father, picked up a weapon and swore to kill Americans."
That puts them on the firing line, doesn't it?
Others echoed that sentiment. "The resistance is just some individuals, they are not a regular army. The Americans are striking as if they are fighting an army," said Salim Mubarak, 61, who fled with 19 members of his family Friday and is staying in western Baghdad.
Seems like anybody with a gun in his hand should be fair game.
Kimmitt denied that the Marines had engaged in collective punishment, but some said the damage had already been done. "Iraqis are looking at the images of Fallujah, and wondering if they’re looking at the future of the rest of Iraq, should we ever anger the United States." said Iraqi journalist Abbas Ali Saki.
I sure as hell hope that's the case. Only Fallujah isn't rubble, yet.
Its that Arab failure to associate cause with effect. Simultaneously needing to be a victim, yet threatening dire revenge. But the last sentence is the money quote and might possibly indicate a rational policy decision summarized as ’Fuck with the Iraqi authorities, then the USMC is going to fuck with you. It aint nice but I think it might just work.
Posted by:Phil B

#12  The Fallujah jihadis fired weapons at red crescent vehicles and at Iraqi humanitarian vehicles. You won't see those images on Al Jaz or the BBC or the other pro terrorism outlets
Posted by: mhw   2004-04-11 8:44:46 AM  

#11  Frank - But accuracy isn't considered in Nobel discussions, so this won't hurt his chances, heh.
Posted by: .com   2004-04-11 7:27:58 PM  

#10  these "anonymous" sources should STFU (if they ever said any of teh things in the first place) - I tend to doubt this reporting
Posted by: Frank G   2004-04-11 7:05:10 PM  

#9  Bad - Looks like Nobel- quality reporting to me. I'd say Matthew's gunning for it and pulling out all the stops.
Posted by: .com   2004-04-11 6:28:24 PM  

#8  But now, we see women and children dying, trying to escape and not being allowed to

Like Arabs anywhere gave a sh*t about women or children. See 'Palestinians' sending retarded kids to their deaths for a few bucks and a kiss on the ass.

...and many stop remembering the dead Americans. Instead, they wonder why four dead Americans are worth so much, while hundreds of dead Iraqis are worth so little."

Answer your own question. Americans care so much for freedom and for life they are willing to die to ensure it not just for themselves, but for everyone, but more than that, they are far, far more willing to make you die if you see fit in taking those freedoms away. In large numbers if need be.

Reading excerpts from this article makes me wonder if the only freedom 'journalists' care about is making the world safe for Islam and the barbarity it is.

Incredible defeatist 'news' article, chock full of propogandida. NPR/PBS reporters could never exceed the absolute depth of moralistic and journalistic depravity the writer sinks to. Lord knows the leftists there try on a daily basis.
Posted by: badanov   2004-04-11 12:46:31 PM  

#7  They wonder why four dead Americans are worth so much, while hundreds of dead Iraqis are worth so little.
Because Moslems value death more than Americans value life.
Posted by: Osama Bin Laden   2004-04-11 12:23:15 PM  

#6  How does the good Doctor know it was an American Sniper? Perhaps it was an Islamist.

We need to start equiping the marines with cameras so that they can show pictures of the islamist's shooting from crowds of women and children.

BTW: Why are there crowds of women and children out on the streets anyway? They were told to stay indoors. Where they forced out by the islamist for cover?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-04-11 12:15:12 PM  

#5  
They wonder why four dead Americans are worth so much, while hundreds of dead Iraqis are worth so little.

Worth what to whom? From our perspective, it's the rebels who don't value Iraqi lives. What's the purpose of this fighting and dying? The rebels' purpose is to prevent democracy. They are willing for tens of thousands of Iraqis to die in order to prevent democracy. They could spend all their energies to prepare for elections, but they are using all their energy to fight futile battles.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2004-04-11 11:52:00 AM  

#4  On the subject of 'getting it' when I pulled up this page, all 4 googleads were from Iraqi companies.
Posted by: Phil B   2004-04-11 8:53:19 AM  

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: mhw TROLL   2004-04-11 8:44:46 AM  

#2   "On radio, announcers accuse Americans of attacking helpless civilians, not even allowing them to move for treatment of their bullet wounds."

This lament sounds so familiar. Unfortunately those who started the whole thing are not worrying about treating the wounded. Hope your marines have learned from Jenin and the hudna.
Posted by: Barry   2004-04-11 8:21:24 AM  

#1  "Iraqis are looking at the images of Fallujah, and wondering if they’re looking at the future of the rest of Iraq, should we ever anger the United States."

I do believe he's got it!
Posted by: Shipman   2004-04-11 8:15:11 AM  

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