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| 2004-06-15 |
| From Al-Muhaajiroun By definition we find that democracy is in contradiction to Islam .... A persons Deen is what he/she believes in (Allah exclusively), and what he lives by (Khilafah and shariâah) and what he dies for, (Daâwah and Jihad). This means that if we are Muslims, the only deen acceptable for us is Islam, we believe in it, live by it and die for it. So there is no way for us to believe in democracy, nor live by it, nor fight to defend it. ... Democracy calls for so-called freedoms, * The freedom of Religion Freedom to worship whatever and whoever they wish, whether one god or many gods; whether they worship themselves, their desires, their money or their private parts. * The Freedom of Ownership Freedom to own whatever and however they like, whether selling his body or his wifeâs body it doesnât matter because he is free. * Personal Freedom To be free to eat, speak, wear and behave the way he likes etc. * Freedom of Expression Freedom to say what you like, to lie how you like, to slander, to insult, to swear, to curse however you like. However, this will inevitably causes chaos .... The people vote to decide what they think is the best law, then they count the votes and take the majority opinion, there is always confusion and disagreement, there is no black and white and is always grey areas. i.e. It is entirely based on compromise. Democracy is fundamentally contradictory to Islam, and is irreconcilably against the command of Allah. Allah ordered us to implement only and all of His (swt) commands and prohibitions, to rule and judge by whatever he revealed and to reject any and all opinions that the people may have, whether minority or majority. Allah (swt) said: âDo people want to follow the law of jahiliyyah (ignorance)? Who is a better legislator than Allah? If you believe.â [EMQ 5: 50] There is no doubt that Allah (swt), the one who created us and created the universe and everything in it, He is the best to know us and what is best for us. He (swt) is the best to decide what is right and wrong and we have no right to question him. Only the fool would leave His (swt) wisdom and guidance for our own ignorance and conjecture. ... It is impossible for us to refer to any law other that of Allah, in any dispute we must return to Allah and his laws for arbitration. .... This means that we must stay away from and reject all that is worshipped, followed or obeyed instead of Allah (swt), whether Satan, human, idols, law and order or a ruler, whether the law of the UK or the law of the UN; we must reject it, believe it is falsehood, hate and hold animosity towards it and call it disbelief or disbelievers. Allah (swt) said: âIt is not fitting for the believing men or the believing women, when Allah and His messenger decide a matter, that they should have any choice in the matter, and whosoever disobeys Allah and his messenger, they are in clear misguidance.â [33:36] When Allah (swt) uses âclear misguidanceâ in this and other ayat, it means Shirk (polytheism). So it is impossible for us to vote over what is right or wrong, or what is lawful or unlawful as this has already been decided by Allah (swt), and it is impossible for us to have a choice after that. ... So there is no room for discussion or preference in the law of Allah (swt), Allah (swt) said: âAllah is the one who legislates and judges, and nobody dares to comment on itâ [EMQ Raâd: 41] .... May Allah (swt) protect us from falling into the same hole as the Jews and Christians, who left Allah to follow their own desires, who twist and change the word of Allah to please eachother, even to legislate homosexuality after Allah prohibited it. Verily Democracy is a religion of disbelief; anybody who believes in it is a disbeliever, anybody who lives by and obeys its man-made law is Mushrik as he obeys and arbitrates to taghout, even though Allah (swt) ordered him to reject it, and anybody who fights to defend it, and kills and bombs others to force them into it and dies for the its sake can never die except as a kaafir, and will be punished after that forever and ever in the hellfire. ... |
| Posted by:Mike Sylwester |
| #15 Thanks Zenster. I'm starting to like you more and more lately. About the IslamoFascists: IT'S THEY who worship their private parts, my friends. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-06-15 7:34:52 PM |
| #14 That's close 5229... :) There is no God named allah (note the lower case) Muhammad was a liar (proper name so upper case ok) |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-06-15 6:00:04 PM |
| #13 Democracy Is Fundamentally Contradictory to Islam Whoa! Rantburgers agree with Al-Muhaajiroun! |
| Posted by: Spot 2004-06-15 5:28:40 PM |
| #12 There is no god named Allah. And Muhammad was a pedophile. |
| Posted by: Anonymous5229 2004-06-15 2:57:03 PM |
| #11 Democracy is fundamentally contradictory to Islamofascism. Well, DUH! Democracy is fundamentally contradictory to all forms of totalitarianism. |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-06-15 12:30:48 PM |
| #10 As a great American once said Isalm IS a evil empire let the bombing begin in 5 minutes Darwin will be PROUD |
| Posted by: Anonymous5075 2004-06-15 12:23:51 PM |
| #9 Better said lucidity is fundamentally contradictory to Islam. |
| Posted by: jules 187 2004-06-15 11:18:43 AM |
| #8 The Islamic Socialists figured this out years and years ago---but nobody listened because they were Socialists. See Ali Shariati, et al. |
| Posted by: therien 2004-06-15 11:13:02 AM |
| #7 No, Islam is contridictory to freedom and life |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-06-15 10:06:04 AM |
| #6 B and all others... This muslim is the one who calls a spade a spade. The Western world needs to listen... Islam is opposed to Democracy...as stated by Islam. |
| Posted by: jawa 2004-06-15 9:32:30 AM |
| #5 You know I used to believe that Islam, Judisiam, and Christianity all believed in the same God,but not anymore.My God whose name is Jehovah and whose son Is Jesus Christ,is not the same god(Allah)who advocates slaughter,rape,and slavery. |
| Posted by: Raptor 2004-06-15 9:23:21 AM |
| #4 Democracy Is Fundamentally Contradictory to Islam Good - let's call a spade a spade. The bottom line is that we and they have to acknowledge this simple little fact. It's tough for us westerners to accept, but this article is spot on. |
| Posted by: B 2004-06-15 7:59:30 AM |
| #3 Zenster ya might want to ask Fred if he can just edit that out and make it a separate linked to article. Its a big long for a normal comment post I think :) |
| Posted by: Valentine 2004-06-15 5:04:38 AM |
| #2 ... there is no black and white and is always grey areas. The usual horsesh!t. There are some things in this world that will always be wrong. Try to think of a single instance where rape is justified. Even if it was the last woman on earth and all humanity's continuation relied upon her, nothing good could be obtained by raping her. Yet, we see Panchayat ordered rapes. Sexual child molestation is another of these evils, as is unprovoked premeditated murder. Oh ... did I neglect to mention terrorism? Now that we have gotten the tiresome "shades of gray" red herring out of the way, let's get back to how democracy is fundamentally antithetical to Islam. With apologies to you, Mike, I'm going to post the entire text of another article on this exact same subject. I was astounded to see the full thrust of it made clear before me while reading it the other night. The upshot is chilling. ----------------------------- Commentary: Al-Qaida's agenda for Iraq By Amir Taheri Published 9/6/2003 10:57 AM LONDON, Sept. 6 (UPI) -- It is not the American war machine that should be of the utmost concern to Muslims. What threatens the future of Islam, in fact its very survival, is American democracy." This is the message of a new book, just published by al-Qaida in several Arab countries. The author of "The Future of Iraq and The Arabian Peninsula After The Fall of Baghdad" is Yussuf al-Ayyeri, one of Osama bin Laden's closest associates since the early '90s. A Saudi citizen also known by the nom de guerre Abu Muhammad, he was killed in a gun battle with security forces in Riyadh last June. The book is published by The Centre for Islamic Research and Studies, a company set up by bin Laden in 1995 with branches in New York and London (now closed). Over the past eight years, it has published more than 40 books by al-Qaida "thinkers and researchers" including militants such as Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's No. 2. Al-Ayyeri first made his name in the mid '90s as a commander of the Farouq camp in eastern Afghanistan, where al-Qaida and the Taliban trained thousands of "volunteers for martyrdom." Al-Ayyeri argues that the history of mankind is the story of "perpetual war between belief and unbelief." Over the millennia, both have appeared in different guises. As far as belief is concerned, the absolutely final version is represented by Islam, which "annuls all other religions and creeds." Thus, Muslims can have only one goal: converting all humanity to Islam and "effacing the final traces of all other religions, creeds and ideologies." Unbelief (kufr) has come in numerous forms and shapes, but with a single objective: to destroy faith in God. In the West, unbelief has succeeded in making a majority of people forget God and worship the world. Islam, however, is resisting the trend because Allah means to give it final victory. Al-Ayyeri then shows how various forms of unbelief attacked the world of Islam in the past century or so, to be defeated in one way or another. The first form of unbelief to attack was "modernism" (hidatha), which led to the caliphate's destruction and the emergence in the lands of Islam of states based on ethnic identities and territorial dimensions rather than religious faith. The second was nationalism, which, imported from Europe, divided Muslims into Arabs, Persians, Turks and others. Al-Ayyeri claims that nationalism has now been crushed in almost all Muslim lands. He claims that a true Muslim is not loyal to any particular nation-state. The third form of unbelief is socialism, which includes communism. That, too, has been defeated and eliminated from the Muslim world, Al-Ayyeri asserts. He presents Ba'athism, the Iraqi ruling party's ideology under Saddam Hussein, as the fourth form of unbelief to afflict Muslims, especially Arabs. Ba'athism (also the official ideology of the Syrian regime) offers Arabs a mixture of pan-Arabism and socialism as an alternative to Islam. Al-Ayyeri says Muslims "should welcome the destruction of Ba'athism in Iraq." "The end of Ba'ath rule in Iraq is good for Islam and Muslims," he writes. "Where the banner of Ba'ath has fallen, shall rise the banner of Islam." The author notes as "a paradox" the fact that all the various forms of unbelief that threatened Islam were defeated with the help of the Western powers, and more specifically the United States. The "modernizing" movement in the Muslim world was ultimately discredited when European imperial powers forced their domination on Muslim lands, turning the Westernized elite into their "hired lackeys." The nationalists were defeated and discredited in wars led against them by various Western powers or, in the case of Nasserism in Egypt, by Israel. The West also gave a hand in defeating socialism and communism in the Muslim world. The most dramatic example of this came when America helped the Afghan mujaheeden destroy the Soviet-backed communist regime in Kabul. And now the United States and its British allies have destroyed Ba'athism in Iraq and may have fatally undermined it in Syria as well. What Al-Ayyeri sees now is a "clean battlefield" in which Islam faces a new form of unbelief. This, he labels "secularist democracy." This threat is "far more dangerous to Islam" than all its predecessors combined. The reasons, he explains in a whole chapter, must be sought in democracy's "seductive capacities." This form of "unbelief" persuades the people that they are in charge of their destiny and that, using their collective reasoning, they can shape policies and pass laws as they see fit. That leads them into ignoring the "unalterable laws" promulgated by God for the whole of mankind, and codified in the Islamic shariah (jurisprudence) until the end of time. The goal of democracy, according to Al-Ayyeri, is to "make Muslims love this world, forget the next world and abandon jihad." If established in any Muslim country for a reasonably long time, democracy could lead to economic prosperity, which, in turn, would make Muslims "reluctant to die in martyrdom" in defense of their faith. He says that it is vital to prevent any normalization and stabilization in Iraq. Muslim militants should make sure that the United States does not succeed in holding elections in Iraq and creating a democratic government. "If democracy comes to Iraq, the next target [for democratization] would be the whole of the Muslim world," Al-Ayyeri writes. The al Qaida ideologist claims that the only Muslim country already affected by "the beginning of democratization" and thus in "mortal danger" is Turkey. "Do we want what happened in Turkey to happen to all Muslim countries?" he asks. "Do we want Muslims to refuse taking part in jihad and submit to secularism, which is a Zionist-Crusader concoction?" Al-Ayyeri says Iraq would become the graveyard of secular democracy, just as Afghanistan became the graveyard of communism. The idea is that the Americans, faced with mounting casualties in Iraq, will "just run away," as did the Soviets in Afghanistan. This is because the Americans love this world and are concerned about nothing but their own comfort, while Muslims dream of the pleasures that martyrdom offers in paradise. "In Iraq today, there are only two sides," Al-Ayyeri asserts. "Here we have a clash of two visions of the world and the future of mankind. The side prepared to accept more sacrifices will win." Al-Ayyeri's analysis may sound naive; he also gets most of his facts wrong. But he is right in reminding the world that what happens in Iraq could affect other Arab countries - in fact, the whole of the Muslim world. EMPHASIS ADDED ----------------------------- One passage stands out in particular: The goal of democracy, according to Al-Ayyeri, is to "make Muslims love this world, forget the next world and abandon jihad." If established in any Muslim country for a reasonably long time, democracy could lead to economic prosperity, which, in turn, would make Muslims "reluctant to die in martyrdom" in defense of their faith. "[E]conomic prosperity" is seen as the enemy of Islam. Any reluctance to be one of those who are "prepared to accept more sacrifices" essentially represents apostasy. Here is where the mask is ripped from fundamentalist Islam's contorted face. Only by breeding the very worst sort of poverty and despair are fanatics like the Wahhabist Taleban and their ilk able to subvert adherents for the barbaric political purposes they envision. Suddenly we can see how Arafat's omnipresent corruption and thievery, the Iranian Mullahs' diverting into nuclear arms funds desperately needed by their disaster-struck population, the Sudanese genocides, all of them breed up the impoverished psychosis necessary to push Islam's believers into murderous despair. It is a badge of honor that democracy should be the deadly enemy of those putative leaders who starve their subjects, not into submission, but beyond such corporeal suffering and into the realm of terrorism's unimaginable savagery. Never have I been more convinced that all free people are called to immediate action, not just for their own safety, but also to assure the liberation of so many downtrodden and ruthlessly degraded souls who suffer at the hands of these depraved fundamentalist monsters. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-06-15 1:17:36 AM |
| #1 Dogs fucked Allah, No fault of mine. |
| Posted by: GizzardPuke 2004-06-15 12:41:02 AM |