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| U.S. Offers UN Compromise on Immunity for Its Troops | |
| 2004-06-23 | |
| The United States, hoping to avert a defeat, floated a compromise proposal on Tuesday to seek just one more renewal of a U.N. resolution exempting American soldiers from international prosecution. But it was uncertain whether the proposed change in the resolution on the International Criminal Court would be enough to win U.N. Security Council approval due to international fury over prisoner abuse at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib detention center. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan last week urged council members to oppose the resolution...The United States has proposed asking the council to renew an existing exemption, which expires on June 30, once more, in return for which the United States would pledge not to ask for another extension next year, Cunningham said. This new "compromise" stinks. What happens to our GI’s after June 30, 2005??? Why doesn’t the US tell Kofi and his thug pals at the UN to put their international prosecution threats where the sun doesn’t shine?
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| Posted by:rex |
| #19 There is no need for a futures section. Just replace Bush with Blair, Spain with Greece. Blair faces war crimes suit and don't forget that last year, a war crimnes suit was filed in Belgium, who claimed world wide jurisdiction. And if any country should know about war crimes, it's Belgium who killed at least 10 million Congolese for the personal benefit of King Leopold 100 years ago. War Crimes Suits Filed In Belgium Against Bush, Blair Nope, no political use of Kangaroo courts. Nope. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-06-23 6:07:38 PM |
| #18 You don't think that there will be prosecutions? Just wait until some ultra-left Spanish magistrate arrests some ex- or current GI on his honeymoon and remands him to the ICC for the war crime of merely having been in Iraq/Afghanistan/Panama, etc. I think that I'm going to put this in the "Futures" section. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-06-23 2:47:49 PM |
| #17 Beyond doubting the UN because of Oil-For-Food corruption, hypocrisy, and resolutions with no resolve, the UN is most most unfit to be in charge of such prosecutions because it is so saturated, POISONED, with anti-Americanism that not convicting an American of SOMETHING, ANYTHING, would fall into the same probability ratio as seeing a pig fly. |
| Posted by: jules 187 2004-06-23 2:36:16 PM |
| #16 The bad part is that the Supreme Court has, more and more often, cited international or european law instead of our own consitution abandoning our own consitution for 'diversity' and 'compromise'... and allowing treaties to trump our own consitution. What we need to do is tell Anon to take a flying fark at a rolling doughnut -- and to get the hell out of our country. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-06-23 2:08:53 PM |
| #15 W, if you have your opperatives out there, DON'T compromise on this issue. If you do you'll have every podunk malcotent in the world dragging our soldier into these kangaroo courts. Don't just say no say HELL NO. |
| Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-06-23 1:43:10 PM |
| #14 A4021 - that was my understanding. The Supremem Court is the highest authority by definition in the constitution. Agreed: IMNSHO looks like the EUniks et al will be getting all the peacekeeping work - we're outta there |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-06-23 1:31:47 PM |
| #13 AP is reporting on Drudge that the US has withdrawn its immunity application. Thats a really bad idea and will be sure to create major headaches in the future if true |
| Posted by: JerseyMike 2004-06-23 1:27:31 PM |
| #12 BTW, doesn't the US Constitution NOT ALLOW for US citizens and soldiers to be tried by the courts of other nations? |
| Posted by: Anonymous4021 2004-06-23 12:47:37 PM |
| #11 What's this horseshit? You either exempt, permanently, or you supply your own troops for peacekeeping duties. End of choice. Decide now. Can't we accidentally drop a 500 lb'er on the ICC building? |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-06-23 12:37:55 PM |
| #10 Rex, there aren't going to be any prosecutions, ever. (It would be frankly unconstitutional to allow them, for one thing.) In a year's time we'll finagle yet another work-around, just not this one. And so on, until the bilateral arrangements cover everything. Unless Flipper is elected, of course. |
| Posted by: someone 2004-06-23 12:09:43 PM |
| #9 Ricky, meh theres nothing wrong with coed basic training. There IS something wrong with permitting the idea that it is 'OK' for women to be weaker than men. let 'em in, but they better be worth the time/$ spent training |
| Posted by: Dcreeper 2004-06-23 11:34:48 AM |
| #8 What's this compromise crap? The UN isn't an organization that's worth coming to a compromise with. If Kofi wants to go through with this, then he needs told to give Bekins a call, and make arrangements accordingly. (Hopefully Bekins does international moves; if not, then some other outfit will have to be hired) |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-23 11:25:14 AM |
| #7 Being filled with Solomonic wisdom today, may I suggest a compromise? Withdraw all US support (personnel, equipment, financial, and political) for "peacekeeping" and other UN operations. Get our people out of the Balkans, Sinai, Liberia, Haiti and wherever the hell else the US has no interest. Of course the US will also need to form a group (with arrest and trial powers) to file charges of UN abuse, starting with UN peacekeeping child rape and prostitution and UN financial corruption. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-06-23 10:15:28 AM |
| #6 Rex: that shouldn't be a problem, as the Dems are on record as demanding that we reinstate the draft. |
| Posted by: B 2004-06-23 7:17:00 AM |
| #5 While it is true that a RFG win in November may hasten the departure of officers, as of June 2005 whether it's RFG or GWB in the Oval Office, lots of volunteer grunts will depart for a different reason...ie. imminent prosecution by the anti-American hyenas in the IWC... this "compromise" stinks. |
| Posted by: rex 2004-06-23 3:15:33 AM |
| #4 If the RFG (Rich French Guy) gets elected, the first thing I predict is a really large rash of senior-officer resignations. I remember reading somewhere that during Bubba's administration, the Friends of Hillary who'd already succeeded in forcing co-ed basic training in the rest of the military decided to go after the Marine Corps. According to this article, fifty Marine general officers threatened to resign en masse if this nonsense wasn't abandoned. I may be wrong, but fifty generals has to be about ALL the generals in the USMC. Even if it wasn't, the gesture got the attention of the right people. Jean-Pierre's expressed desire to subject American military personnel to Kofi's "justice" is a MUCH bigger issue, and I think it will have a much bigger effect on the officer corps' personal career decisions. |
| Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2004-06-23 3:06:13 AM |
| #3 There's a 0% chance that any US soldier will be subject to ICC Unless Flipper wins, of course. |
| Posted by: someone 2004-06-23 2:54:13 AM |
| #2 Under no fucking circumstances should we crawl and cringe to Kofi for anything. And I would not blame any American serviceman who refused to obey orders that would inevitably lead to him facing a UN kangaroo court as a "war criminal". |
| Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2004-06-23 2:53:29 AM |
| #1 The UN will forget all about this issue when a number of their members get boomed or attacked in some way, then it is a different tune. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-06-23 2:16:40 AM |