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After announcing its decision last weekend to withdraw forces from Iraq, Spain has raised further ire in Washington by giving notice of plans to pull out faster than expected, a move that Bush administration officials said yesterday is complicating military operations in Iraq and could put lives in danger.
"This is just not the way that allies should treat each other," the official went on. "It's disappointing and it's unprofessional."
After talks here with Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos denied any new tensions in relations since the government of Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero was installed last weekend and announced the troop pullout. "We are looking to the future. The decision to return the troops is a decision of yesterday," Moratinos told reporters. "We have a strong friendship with the United States. And the determination of both administrations is to work together in areas that are the common challenge for all of us -- first and mainly, the fight against terror."
To replace the forces, who have been responsible for securing areas in south-central Iraq, U.S. commanders have shifted 1st Armored Division troops who had been based in the vicinity of Baghdad. The division, which had been scheduled to leave Iraq this month after a year of combat duty, had its stay extended by 90 days last week. Britain also may provide a new headquarters unit to take the place of Spain's, a senior U.S. official said.
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| Posted by:Steve White |
| #81 Remote what I say is true I do not make it up. The Palestinians were terrorised and afraid THAT is why they left. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 1:51:51 PM |
| #80 Remote I emigrated with parents and brother in 1989. My parents got jobs and bought a house later my bro and I did the same. WE did not kick people out of their homes. Jews can live in the Holy Land they just shouldn't think they have a God given right to be there at the expense of other people. Polish Jews who are Polish of Jewish religion not race remember can live anywhere they like including the Holy Land they just shouldn't think it is their ancestral Homeland it isn't as most European Jews have absolutely no semitic ancestors rather they are descendants of Khazars who converted to Judaism and you cannot convert to a race now can you.There are yes some European Jews of Semitic ancestory but as their ancestors left in 70 AD they have obviously intermarried with nonsemites(who converted). |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 1:20:46 PM |
| #79 M4doo I am Christian so am not familiar with those Koran verses maybe you could ask someone who is of the Islamic religion? |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 12:55:35 PM |
| #78 Remote the Palestinians have lived in Palestine for thousands of years by religion they have been Jews,then(and many still are)Christians and Muslims.Jews have lived peacefully alongside their (fill in religion here)neighbours for thousands of years until the Zionist Entity was established in 1948.Now can you explain to me why someone from Poland for example who is a Jew and who had one ancestor who left Palestine in 70 AD i.e an Arab but the rest of his ancestors are converted(to Judaism)non semitic people should be able to go to Palestine and render homeless etc etc the true descendants of Moses and Abraham i.e the Palestinians NOT people from Europe. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 12:35:47 PM |
| #77 Shipman re True Torah Jews website Jewsagainstzionism.com. Eve no I didn't go to Smith have never been to the US. Dcreeper most folks like Hitler,Himmler,Sharon,Bush,you. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 12:19:45 PM |
| #76 Robert Jews are not a race only Nazis and their Zionists collaborators think so for example I am Irish by birth and christian by religion. However if I convert to Islam(don't shit yourself I'm not going to do that)I have changed my religion but am still Irish see they are two totally different entities. Judaism is a religion. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 10:54:35 AM |
| #75 Hey Evert how are you? still impotent? sounds like it maybe you need to stop smoking the wacky backy. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 10:49:07 AM |
| #74 Antigum I am against Zionists not Jews.(btw please learn how to spell Jew there are no o's in it.)Many Jews are also antizionist Jews Against Zionism aka True Torah Jews and Neturei Karta for example. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 10:45:57 AM |
| #73 There wouldn't BE any suicide bombers in Palestine if the Zionist State was peacefully dismantled. What about Bush and previous presidents sending military aid to Sharon? Saddam had NOTHING to do with Sept 11. There are no wmds in Iraq re your theory how do you suppose Saddam got them to Syria and Jordan??????????????!!!!!! |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 10:07:44 AM |
| #72 Murat you are right Saddam had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and there were no wmds in Iraq. BA (does that stand for Bowel Action) you are a paranoid schizophrenic obviously please take your medication. Dcreep you are wrong about Saddam. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-22 9:14:02 AM |
| #71 It is also part of Christian Scripture. |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-04-22 10:45:57 PM |
| #70 Jews can live in the Holy Land they just shouldn't think they have a God given right to be there at the expense of other people. We wouldn't want them to actually believe any of their scripture, eh? |
| Posted by: eLarson 2004-04-22 4:50:40 PM |
| #69 Well, as BA pointed out, we can debate history all we want, but that won't change the reality of what is going on today. So look again at my post #55. See if you can address the point I made. It is clear that the Paleo's can't, so I won't be surprised if you can't either. |
| Posted by: remote man 2004-04-22 2:03:47 PM |
| #68 And they are still "terrorised" and really AFRAID, as they can't even bring themselves to show their faces when they kill others. Much less, kill all the Jews they can (especially younger ones). And, no mention of your precious UN signing off on this, eh? |
| Posted by: BA 2004-04-22 1:58:33 PM |
| #67 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 1:51:51 PM |
| #66 Hey AW, read some history. Please. When Israel went into what was then called Palestine most of the folks who lived there split of their own accord. They were not driven out (as jews living in Arab countries were). Quit making shit up. |
| Posted by: remote man 2004-04-22 1:46:17 PM |
| #65 Sorry AntiWar, thought I knew you from school. I agree with your immigrant outlook vis. Australia. The recent inhabitants of that fair land were not up to the task of helping out our planet and could not exploit properly the inner resources of Australian Gaia, I'm sure you are working with them. Peace and Pleasure be with you. |
| Posted by: Evolutions Eve 2004-04-22 1:42:06 PM |
| #64 antiwar i thoguht you say you were covert. my bad. im just hope those verse dont mean we cant be friends anymore. i plan on going to mosk later on today and im going ask them. i need stop and buy rug first and apropiate clothe. |
| Posted by: muhamud4doo 2004-04-22 1:40:13 PM |
| #63 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 1:20:46 PM |
| #62 Remote, you're sooooo right! That's why Queerafat is holed up in his compound (btw, he's kicked out his "militant" brothers for fear of a Cobra attack), just counting his billions (yes, anti, that's billions with a "b") while his "people" are looking at 70-80% unemployment and HIGH crime rates! Look around, a lot of people have written about how in every other single war (except for Israel's), the conquered people have either adapted to being ruled (grudgingly) or have moved. And yet, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and probably even Iraq REFUSED entry to these refugees when Israel won the war. How come their case is different? BTW, if you really want to blame someone, blame the UN (I'm sure you can't bring yourself to do that, though). And look at what Arafat was offered under Clinton and he walked away, because he only wants to drive the Jews into the sea! |
| Posted by: BA 2004-04-22 1:08:50 PM |
| #61 Antiwar, you're no Christian. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-04-22 1:05:46 PM |
| #60 As usual AW you did not respond to my comment. Rather you just reaffirmed the Paleo position that the state of Israel has no right to exist. You hide behind the BS Zionist label as though the European jews just decided one day to walk in and declare a state. Guess what, the UN, which you so dearly love, is the organization responsible for the creation of Israel. They signed off on it. The majority of the world community said that there should be a jewish state there. Using the your logic, what the hell are you doing in Australia? You should not be there. It belongs to the aborigines. Get out! |
| Posted by: remote man 2004-04-22 1:05:25 PM |
| #59 "However if I convert to Islam(don't shit yourself I'm not going to do that)" Antiwar, what in your immature, self-centered little head ever gave you the notion that anybody on this board would even remotely care what you do with your life? |
| Posted by: docob 2004-04-22 1:03:08 PM |
| #58 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 12:55:35 PM |
| #57 antiwar plese explain those verse for me. |
| Posted by: muhamud4doo 2004-04-22 12:45:52 PM |
| #56 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 12:35:47 PM |
| #55 Hey AntiWar, what do you think Israel would do if the Paleo's all of a sudden stopped bombing their civilians, declared Israel's right to exist to took a peaceful approach to negotiations. (I know this scenario is complete fantasy, but work with me here.) Given that Israel is a democracy and its citizens are rational people (proven again and again), Israel would move for peaceful coexistance. The US would push for the same thing. Israel was attacked the day it was formed and has been in one form or another almost every day since. Palestine, or whatever you want to call the West Bank and Gaza, is run by thugs. Their behavior is, to say the least, irrational, but more appropriately is psychotic. And yet all you can do is blame the Jews. How odd. |
| Posted by: remote man 2004-04-22 12:20:20 PM |
| #54 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 12:19:45 PM |
| #53 Don't forget that NATO is also a mechanism by which the US can have some influence in Euro affairs, so the "entangling alliances" works both ways. However, I can't recall any recent use made of this, aside from the dramatic way Clinton hijacked it for attacking Serbia. |
| Posted by: Carl in N.H 2004-04-22 12:13:09 PM |
| #52 "I think the Spanish realised they co-occupy Iraq for the wrong reasons, they expected mass destruction weapons etc. not some lies launched from Bush." It's kinda funny - since we invaded Iraq, we most certainly have found WMDs (in production). We just didn't find them in Iraq. If you think those events are unrelated - you are delusional. |
| Posted by: Rawsnacks 2004-04-22 12:03:59 PM |
| #51 In the last year and a half, two things have been demonstrated: the UN is a joke; NATO has the potential to become an even bigger joke, in the event of an attack on a NATO ally. It is not clear anymore, and perhaps it never was, whether certain NATO countries will throw in their fair share, should it be required of them. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-04-22 11:46:52 AM |
| #50 antiwar, technically 'black' is not a race either, it's a skin color, but that does not stop people from decided that it is a race any more than telling people the new millennium starts in 2001 stopped people from celebrating it in 2000. jew is considered a racial category by most folks, regardless of how much ye jump up and down screaming 'nut uh!' in the end it's just nit picking.. well for most people it's stupid nit picking, for you it's an expression of your inbred and irrational hatred for an entire ethnic group which spends the majority of it's existence doing peaceful business (oh and trying to stay away from certain mentally deranged types, not point any fingers...) |
| Posted by: dcreeper 2004-04-22 11:36:55 AM |
| #49 Me and You AntiWar. Did you by chance go to Smith? |
| Posted by: Evolutions Eve 2004-04-22 11:34:11 AM |
| #48 LOL True Torah Jews! Yes! WhatEver. Mu What with the caps in the cite? I'm assuming you were cut and pasting? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-04-22 11:32:27 AM |
| #47 Go Mu!o! Can I still call you by your Christian name or would you prefer muhamud? Have you checked out the moslem vegetarian site? |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-04-22 11:30:33 AM |
| #46 Once again we let Murad and Antiwar hijack a perfectly good thread. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-04-22 11:23:42 AM |
| #45 I hope the Lettuce Ladies are now in Burkas. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-04-22 11:23:36 AM |
| #44 antiwar always good see you :) im been study koran lately and recently convert to islam to learn more about peace. when i study yesterday im find these verse and maybe you can explain them beter for me. [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. [5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. any info wuld be helpful. |
| Posted by: muhamud4doo 2004-04-22 11:19:25 AM |
| #43 Only when I think of you Antiwar ( that goes for both the Impotence and the urge for a Wacky-Backy) |
| Posted by: Evert Visser in NL 2004-04-22 11:02:30 AM |
| #42 you already have converted, dumbass, you just don't know it |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-04-22 10:56:32 AM |
| #41 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 10:54:35 AM |
| #40 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 10:49:07 AM |
| #39 Bull, Antiwar. You hate the idea of Jews having a state -- that doesn't sound like you have nothing against Jews. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-04-22 10:47:53 AM |
| #38 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 10:45:57 AM |
| #37 He ANtiwar, that time of the month again? |
| Posted by: Evert Visser in NL 2004-04-22 10:42:55 AM |
| #36 yes iraq did have a hand in 9-11. and it is based on world wide terrorism. saddam supported terrorists , regardless of any al-queda connections (there is good intel that saddam gave at least some support after 9-11), we are going after all terrorists and terrorists nations. just not all at once. Murat and anitwar (especially anitwar) get off your left agendas. it is blinding you to the truths - the truths that Americans were killed by terrorist before 9-11 and after 9-11. the only difference now is that we are taking the war to the heartland of our enemies. better theier that here...and personally - niether one of is part of the American electorate so in the long run your opionion means squat here. the United States will not let our security be dictated in eruope, the un or anyone else. that is the job of our president. |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-04-22 10:41:54 AM |
| #35 9/11 - Iraq connection. Ramzi Yousef - nephew of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, 9/11 mastermind. Article in Iraq national paper two months before 9/11 stating Washington, NY, Pentagon, would be hit. Salmon Pak, First WTC bomber fleeing to Iraq and living off Saddam's government for 10 years, all expenses paid, not to mention saddams payments to families of suicide bombers, $10,000 increased to $20,000, and we're still finding things out. Pay attention and start reading instead of listening to the talking heads. |
| Posted by: jawa 2004-04-22 10:39:13 AM |
| #34 It's the damn Joooooooooooooooooooos! Dismantle the Zionist entity and we'll all have a peace! You freepers can't see the forest for the bees! Morons. You stuck in your Mickey D kkkulture of death and string beans! Stop the Joooooooooooooos! |
| Posted by: AntiGum 2004-04-22 10:39:06 AM |
| #33 muRAT back on WMD issue - when is this guy going to realize the real reasons - the strategic reasons for taking out saddam. anitwar is just an idiot. |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-04-22 10:35:17 AM |
| #32 Antiwar I thought NMM was the biggest f*cking idiot guess I was wrong. |
| Posted by: djohn66 2004-04-22 10:25:11 AM |
| #31 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 10:07:44 AM |
| #30 Real mature, anti. I always notice that you guys can't make a point, just call people names! Obviously, there are no WMDs in Iraq, there in Jordan/Syria, eh? And what of the training camps there just south of Baghdad where supposedly some of the 9/11 goons trained? And what of Saddam paying suicide bombers in "Palestine." You fail to see the bigger picture that all these goons hate us! |
| Posted by: BA 2004-04-22 9:55:23 AM |
| #29 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-22 9:14:02 AM |
| #28 Murat conveniently forgets arguments for removing Saddam's tyranny. No big surprise; Murat's a lying ass. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-04-22 9:04:35 AM |
| #27 I love Spain's Foreign Minister's quote "We're looking to the future....." Hope he knows that AQ and the jihadis are in their future even though the cowards elected a socialist into office. You see this with UBL in his original fatwah against the US (waged war on us, even though, as Condi put it, we were not at war with him/AQ). He complained that our troops were on "holy land" (bases in Saudi), and now that we have Iraq, we've moved out of Saudi, and somehow he STILL hates us! Spain may think it can appease the jihadis, but they'll pay an even heavier price than if Hitler marched, because the jihadis don't wear SS uniforms and don't fight for a country (although they do believe in Nazi propoganda)! |
| Posted by: BA 2004-04-22 8:59:05 AM |
| #26 I don't mention 911 on Iraq because i see no connections, even Bush himself admitted there was no connection between 911 and Saddam. If you all don't suffer collective amnesia, you'll remember that the excuse of invading Iraq where the existence of MD weapons that arent there. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-04-22 8:58:38 AM |
| #25 no link? I recall reading that saddam's people trained some folks who had a part in 911, that's enough of a link for me, I'm sure you would require saddam personally hold their hand every step of the way, 'course if it comes out that he did you would then require that saddam have a son on one of those planes, and should it come out that that also occurred you would require that the planes used must have been bought and secretly planted on the airlines by saddam just for that operation and if even THAT ridiculous scenario came out as being true, you lefties still would not be content, please don't pretend to be intellectually honest. |
| Posted by: dcreeper 2004-04-22 8:57:44 AM |
| #24 I was going to write a pro and con on NATO. But I couldn't think of any remaining pros. NATO is what Geo. Washington meant by entangling alliances. It was useful during its time. Its time is over. End it. Remaining in NATO either drags us into conflicts we don't need to be a part of (Balkans) or restrains us when we need to take action. The "NATO is sacred" crowd reminds me of Henry Wallace after WWII and his childish insistance that we couldn't abandon our alliance with the USSR. Does anyone remember SEATO and CENTO? They're both long gone, yet their supporters would have told you that they were just as crucial to us as NATO. It's a new war and it needs a new alliance. Tiny Singapore is ten times more valuable to us in this conflict than France and Spain. Europe shares many of our values. I'm all for free trade and cooperation with them. We shouldn't spend a penny protecting them. The US has the advantage here. Eventually the Euros will genuinely feel threatened and will need us again. Then we'll be able to wring some concessions out of them. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-04-22 8:43:17 AM |
| #23 911, aka the day that can justify anything. Haven't you noticed the weasel words Bush uses to try to link 911 and Iraq, knowing he can't do it directly because there is no (zero, nada, zilch) connection. Isn't it awful? Americans taking action to defend civilization against terrorism. The bastards! Before you know it, women in Islamic countries will send their girls to school so they can read. Those ruthless bastards! And in a few years, people in Iraq will go to the polls in a real election. How can the people of the United States stand there and let Bush allow this to happen? Has the man no conscience? The Iraqi economy, once in shambles because of Saddam is now flowering. I can't believe this is happening. People making their own choices for their own future. The barbarity of it all!! This is TERRIBLE! How will Bush explain to the voters he let an economy develop and flourish, when only 18 months ago Saddam was doing okay, paying his rent, having a little left over for beer in a local palace. Incredible thuggery on Bush's part! How could he let this happen? We must return Iraq to its former glory. And bury all them 300,00 people. That's another thing to 'justify anything.' Did I miss anything? Oh, yeah... Bush lied! |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-04-22 8:29:49 AM |
| #22 From the Black Hats: Rats Jumping Off a Sinking Ship |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-04-22 8:27:33 AM |
| #21 911, aka the day that can justify anything. Haven't you noticed the weasel words Bush uses to try to link 911 and Iraq, knowing he can't do it directly because there is no (zero, nada, zilch) connection. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4426 2004-04-22 8:09:04 AM |
| #20 D'y'all notice how Murat carefully avoids mentioning of 911, as if it doesn't exist and never happened? It is the same non-sense you hear when a leftist is trying to avoid stating their usual lack of patriotism by saying 'I support our troops, but I don't support their mission.' Sorta like the Kerryesqe voting for the mission, but refusing to fund it. Now, Murat: don't forget, when you post your leftist views you don't mention 911. That would undercut every last argument you have ever posted against going to Afghanistan and Iraq. Leftists have to be careful when rhetorically wondering into this very area. They can't mention 911 because it drops their arguments faster than a Blackwater Security guard can drop a Fallujah jihadi. They can't preach peace, understanding and socialism, if that silly event 911 keeps getting in the way. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-04-22 8:01:39 AM |
| #19 Mu-rat,the anoucment of Spain(coming on the heels of the Madrid bombings)to pull-out completely at the planned time of rotation has all the apperance of cawardice.This cut and run just as fast as they can IS cowardice. FREE KURDISTAN |
| Posted by: raptor 2004-04-22 7:45:44 AM |
| #18 Oh an another thing Murat this war is not just about AQ its about all Jihadi grps and your ole buddy Saddam was paying them so he became a target,Syria and Iran do to guess what there future targets,and if one day we find out that Turkey was using jihadi grps Turkey becomes a target get used to it. |
| Posted by: djohn66 2004-04-22 7:44:50 AM |
| #17 Murat you better hope America never shows it's total power you would sh*t yourself. |
| Posted by: djohn66 2004-04-22 7:38:24 AM |
| #16 Oh common spare me that Islamofascist blah blah, the US waged a war on terror and attacked the Al Qaeda/Taliban which is OK with me, terror deserves punishment. But the Iraq story is different, all those excuses to attack Iraq turned to be soap bubbles, now the US faces resistance the old tune of Islamofashists and other propaganda is dugged up, the so called liberated Iraqi people suffer because some dickheads in the white house decided to demonstrate some power. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-04-22 7:13:44 AM |
| #15 Take a look at the story posted yesterday on the planned withdrawal, Murat. Not only is the Zapachicken government abandoning the occupation, they're abandoning community development projects like the hospital in Diwaniyah. This is no protest against "the evil lying Hitler clone" Bush, and there's no possibility that Zapatero would rejoin the coalition if we here in the States were to elect "nuanced multilateralist" Kerry. Zapatero has been cowed, terrified, intimidated--pick your adjective, there's plenty of synonyms!--and he's running away in the hopes that the Islamofascists won't beat him anymore. He won't get what he thinks he'll get. The Islamists are committed to reversing "the tragedy of al-Andalus"--the expulsion of the Moors in 1492. Spain will continue to suffer. |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-04-22 6:52:46 AM |
| #14 I think the Spanish realised they co-occupy Iraq for the wrong reasons, they expected mass destruction weapons etc. not some lies launched from Bush. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-04-22 5:30:50 AM |
| #13 Murat: You're a cock on a stick. The Brits are doing fine in Basra - and we'll get the bastards who blew those schoolkids up. I think those Spanish troops feel pretty ashamed for having a pussy running their country. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-04-22 5:19:27 AM |
| #12 Spain, Honduras, Dominican Republic..... Who's next, bet that by the first shotwound the Dutch will make a blitz exit a la Srebrenica, the Thai look also very shaky, mmmmhhhhhh doesn't look that fine does it? |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-04-22 4:45:33 AM |
| #11 Maybe this is zapatero's way of ending up "seeming" somewhat of a hawk, afterall. He's already seen as a coward son-of-a-bitch. So, now he says he's withdrawing even sooner than expected,(he's more scared than he thought). Then, he "changes his mind" and leaves them longer, up to the original "expected time" of departure......winning applause,(and all kinds of "gratitude" and goodies, from Washington. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-04-22 3:39:22 AM |
| #10 NATO's remaining value is in keeping the EUnuts down on the farm militarily. Though perhaps they'd become responsible if they grew stronger... Ok, ok, stop laughing. |
| Posted by: someone 2004-04-22 3:00:41 AM |
| #9 "We have a strong friendship with the United States. And the determination of both administrations is to work together in areas that are the common challenge for all of us -- first and mainly, the fight against terror." This drivel is right out of the Jacques Chiraq Playbook. They must have translated recently from the French into Spanish. BTW, Barbara, I like your idea about bilateral agreements. Eliminate the UN middleman and talk directly. One on one accountability. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-04-22 2:54:07 AM |
| #8 NATO's not dead. They are just out to lunch. |
| Posted by: B 2004-04-22 2:53:58 AM |
| #7 SH - NATO's original purpose died with the Soviet Union. All it's doing now is providing a military for the European nations courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. What we need instead is bilateral agreements with some like-minded nations in Europe and elsewhere that fit our needs to project military force for our own defense. I agree; NATO is dead. Hopefully we'll bury the UN beside it. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-04-22 2:50:34 AM |
| #6 NATO dead? Well, perhaps a revised Warsaw Pact is in order. All the oldies excepting former SU republics + Turkey and the Baltic Republics. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-04-22 2:45:11 AM |
| #5 I think this is bigger than Spain. I expect that we are seeing the last gasps of NATO. Here is why: 1. Bunch of NATO allies refuse to protect Turkey. 2. NATO allies spike any UN resolution that specifies actual consequences for Sadaam. 3. Turkey refuses passage of 4th ID. 4. Various NATO members fail to commit to helping in Iraq. 5. NATO member pulls out of Iraq in the most unhelpful method possible. NATO is dead. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2004-04-22 2:20:24 AM |
| #4 Caramba! We are withdrawing our troops even more quickly than we agreed to after that not-so-nice Madrid unpleasantness and they still keep bombing us. I'll be ever so glad when our soldiers get back home and this entire nasty little misunderstanding finally stops for once and all ... uh ... It will stop, won't it? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-04-22 2:04:37 AM |
| #3 All would be forgiven if he would second the troops to the INS to patrol California's southern border. |
| Posted by: Random thoughts 2004-04-22 1:33:29 AM |
| #2 is there any truth to the rumor that post-modern spanish men have vaginas? |
| Posted by: SON OF TOLUI 2004-04-22 1:32:22 AM |
| #1 Zapetero appears to have no class, no shame, and no sense of how a man should comport himself. I hope that he proves to be as big a disappointment to the Spanish as he is to us. I think that he will and that it will be a painful process of discovery for them. |
| Posted by: RWV 2004-04-22 1:31:49 AM |