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| No More Communion for Kerry |
| 2004-07-07 |
| In a private memorandum, top Vatican prelate Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told American bishops that Communion must be denied to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion. Cardinal Ratzinger is the Prefect of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and is generally regarded as the Pope’s right-hand man. His memos are not "optional". |
| Posted by:Anonymoose |
| #14 I'm w/Capt A to a degree. Give me a break, more then 50% of Catholics should also be denied communion because they support (tacitly or otherwise) euthanasia, pro-choice, the death penalty & contraception. I don't like Kerry's ass either, he was wrong for flaunting "I'm a big Catholic look at me" but this is stupid. I also don't agree w/the assertion that one is either in or out as far as religion is concerned because we all fall way short everyday. If the church doesn't want to give him communion then that is its right, but to say any person who personally doesn't agree w/every church tenet should leave the Catholic church is wrong. As far as I'm concerned, organized religion should stay out of making governmental policy or trying to coerce it(i.e. church & state), the founding father's new this to be true. I'm not talking about the discussion of God in a public forum which I find fully acceptable. I'm talking about the next thing you know - every Catholic politician should vote against the war because the Pope is against it. This sh*t opens up an incremental slippery slope. The church should be above this. An elected official is responsible for all his constituency and has to vote for the best interest of all, not only those who are of his faith. The politician's votes are about all Americans not just what the Catholic church teaches. (Obviously, not all Americans give a f*ck what the Catholic church thinks.) For the record, I am a Catholic and I do not condone (for my own life) nor like the practice of abortion. I've known two very close relatives who had them and it was sickening that there was nothing I could do about it (one I didn't even know about until afterwards). However, I know the realities of life - I don't want young girls coat hangering themselves, throwing themselves down flights of stairs (which I've seen done), or bleeding to death in some back alley from some amateur saw-bones; I would love to see infants put up for adoption to loving families that really want them rather than pregnancies be coldly terminated. So my consience tends to be at odds w/my church - so be it. I'm not leaving the church, but if they wanted to deny me communion then that is their right. In order to save those who are already alive my feeling is that a necessary evil may have to be ensured. Therefore, I stay pro-choice. BTW - I'm also w/Capt A on other thing, the church needs to put its own house in order in regards to the pedophillia fiasco - if some priest ever messed with my son they'd find out my stance on the death penalty. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-07-07 11:18:14 PM |
| #13 Newsmax covered this - I think it could be an issue, not for Kerry, but more likely for Lil Tommy Dasshole |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-07-07 9:46:14 PM |
| #12 No wafer for you! |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-07-07 9:40:28 PM |
| #11 Capt America, There’s a bit of a disconnect in your logic here. The Church should root out sinful, malignant priests who prey on the innocents, right? Because that activity is against the morals of the Church. But the Church should not root out sinful, malignant politics that preys on the innocents, right? Even though abortion has been condemned by the Church Fathers since the first century (and, yes, it was -- even back then). What OS said was true. You can have your liberal politics, or you can have Catholic Communion -- you’re not entitled to both. |
| Posted by: cingold 2004-07-07 7:22:56 PM |
| #10 Those who operate pedophile priest churches should start throwing stones -- at those in favor of partial birth abortions. Nice try but no bread (or cigar). Or, were you a victim of a partial birth abortion? |
| Posted by: Capt America 2004-07-07 7:13:12 PM |
| #9 Ratzinger? Ratzinger? Didn't he used to be Cliff Claven? |
| Posted by: Mercutio 2004-07-07 3:17:44 PM |
| #8 Priest: The Body of Christ.....abortion: yes or no? Parishioner: Yes. Priest: Get out of here then. And no !%#$@ bread for you. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-07-07 2:54:06 PM |
| #7 OS - more like 'Are you (insert issue here) only when its politically convenient'? I've followed this assmunch for 20 years; the above is a concise statement of his core political philosophy. |
| Posted by: Raj 2004-07-07 1:20:53 PM |
| #6 Does anybody have any idea of what fraction of the American bishops will obey and what fraction will defy the memo? (and what fraction will assent and never get around to enforcing it . . .) All I know I get from occasional newspaper articles, and I know how far to trust reporters writing about religion :-( |
| Posted by: James 2004-07-07 1:12:19 PM |
| #5 The link is bad. |
| Posted by: 3dc 2004-07-07 2:24:28 AM |
| #4 No, not "the enemy", just not one of us (Catholics). Cut off from what we believe is the best path to God's mercy - and deliberately done, so more's the pity for Kerry. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-07-07 2:10:46 AM |
| #3 In Bush lingo, "Either you're with us or you're with the enemy." |
| Posted by: Capt America 2004-07-07 1:44:26 AM |
| #2 No (commun)ion, that's okay....kerry's happy with (commun)ism. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-07-07 1:11:42 AM |
| #1 Pretty simple: Time has come to decide John Kerry: Are you Catholic only when its politically convenient? Those days are over. You can be Cathoic, or you can be Pro-Choice, but you cannot be both. Either take up your cross and bear the cost of being a Roman Catholic Christian, or leave the Church and its benefits behind with their attendent burdens. Choose. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-07-07 1:09:09 AM |