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| Some 8,000 Palestinian detainees to launch hunger strike Sunday |
| 2004-08-15 |
| Some 8,000 Palestinians held in crowded Israeli jails plan to launch a mass hunger strike Sunday to demand improved detention conditions despite a warning from Israeli authorities that the action will be futile, Palestinian officials said. Actually, given enough time, this could prove quite useful. Some 8,000 dead Palestinian suspects could prove quite a boon. An official with a prisoner defense group based in Bethlehem, Abu Mohammed, said Saturday that virtually all 8,000 Palestinians serving prison terms, awaiting trial or in "administrative detention" -- not yet charged -- will join the action. But Israeli Internal Security Minister Tzahi Hanegbi was quoted by public radio as saying: "We will concede nothing. From my point of view they can continue their movement to the death." Smart man, that Minister Tzahi. Never negotiate when you hold the winning hand. He added: "All the terrorists' demands are aimed in fact at making it easier to organize attacks in the prisons." For his part, Israeli prison commissioner Yaakov Ganot told reporters that if the movement went ahead, the prisoners "will lose all their privileges, family visits will be canceled and the prisoners will be deprived of television and radio." The inmates, including around 600 serving life sentences, say they will take only liquids and have threatened to "martyr themselves" if their demands are not met. Martyr away, you maggots. |
| Posted by:Zenster |
| #55 Frank G., when you've got a cancer....you kill the whole thing, not just bits and pieces of it here and there......... These filthy muslims are a cancer on the body of mankind. They must be destroyed! EVERY ONE OF THEM. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-08-15 12:33:31 PM |
| #54 ALL filthy muslim animals must die. Not just the ones in Israeli prisons...... EVERY GODDAMN ONE OF 'EM! No matter where they are, U.S., U.K., saudi arabia, bahrain, syria.......EVERY GODDAMN ONE OF 'EM. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-08-15 12:25:43 PM |
| #53 Gentile I will spare my pity for the tens of thousands of Syrians machine gunned by Assad, for the hundreds of thousands Iraquis tortured to death by Saddam, for the neraly two hundred thousand Algerians buitchered by the Saudi sponsored GIA or for the two million black Sudanese killed by the Arabs, that without the counting the raped boys or the genitally mutilated girls. Arab arithmetic: 1 true Arab live > 100 lives of Mahgrebi Arab-speakers > 2000 Black lives. |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-08-15 8:16:46 AM |
| #52 Gentile I will spare my pity for the tens of thousands of Syrians machine gunned by Assad, for the hundreds of thousands Iraquis tortured to death by Saddam, for the neraly two hundred thousand Algerians buitchered by the Saudi sponsored GIA or for the two million black Sudanese killed by the Arabs, that without the counting the raped boys or the genitally mutilated girls. Arab arithmetic: 1 true Arab live > 100 lives of Mahgrebi Arab-speakers > 2000 Black lives. |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-08-15 8:16:46 AM |
| #51 At least my parents don't turm me out of the house 'coz I'm 18, like a lot of people do in America. Doesn't happen with any regularity, so whoever told you this is full of crap. At 18, an individual is an adult, and can move out if they wish. No one forces them to stay or to go; that's what happens when one has F-R-E-E-D-O-M to do as they wish. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-08-16 12:09:26 AM |
| #50 "At least my parents don't turm me out of the house 'coz I'm 18, like a lot of people do in America." You are dumber than a bag full of hammers, Gentle! LOL Where *do* you get this stuff??? Most people's parents in the USA have to beg them to leave when they're 30 or even older...! |
| Posted by: GreatestJeneration 2004-08-15 11:02:57 PM |
| #49 Off topic??? Abusive comments??? To call a spade a spade is abusive?? Methinks not, sir/ma'am, whatever. muslims are filthy animals, no two ways about it. You can delete every goddamn allusion to this fact if you want to......but it won't change the facts... muslims ARE FILTHY TRASH SCUM OF THE EARTH. muslims are descended from vomit and feces of drunkards and prostitutes. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-08-15 10:46:30 PM |
| #48 "Ummmm - no?" |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-15 7:55:11 PM |
| #47 Some choice nuggets from the World Press Review: "For inhumane people to demand humanitarian improvements is an absurdity bordering on contempt," said Yehudit Dasberg today. Mrs. Dasberg, who has been in the forefront in the struggle against releasing terrorists from prison, adopted her two young grandchildren after their parents - Yaron and Effie Ungar - were murdered in a Hamas terror attack in June 1996. "As far as I'm concerned," said Public Security Minister Tzachi HaNegbi on Friday, "they can starve until they die." Prison Service officials said that they did not take this literally, and would in fact have medical staff on hand to ensure that this did not happen. Government officials have said, however, that they do not plan to give in to the terrorists' demands. The imprisoned terrorists demand the removal of the glass walls separating them from their visitors, as well as other improvements in their visiting arrangements. They also want telephones in their cells or wings, as well as the right to have cell phones, a computer in each cell, no Value Added Tax on their canteen purchases, air conditioners in their cells, no more body checks, and more. The Prison Service responded to their refusal to take meals by taking away the televisions from their cells, canceling all visitations and sports activities, and more. EMPHASIS ADDED Paging Salvador Dali. This sh!t is straight out of the frickin' Twilight Zone. I'd love to see the Israelis respond to demands for "the removal of the glass walls separating them from their visitors" by BRICKING UP THOSE VIEWING BOOTHS. No body checks for people who are inordinately fond of bomb vests, riiiiiiight! A These Palestinian morons seethe at the drop of a |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-08-15 7:45:35 PM |
| #46 Ooooh, that Tarkington! My mistake -- I forgot about the copy of Penrod in one of the upstairs bookcases, a gift from my husband's great-uncle Bill a few Xmases ago. Thanks, Mrs. Davis :-) |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-08-15 7:34:08 PM |
| #45 [Homer] SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP! [/Homer] Hokey smokes, TGA! Do these f&%kwits actually believe this stuff? A two-day symposium in the capital has concluded that Arab Jews have enjoyed greater fundamental rights and freedom under Arab Islamic rule than under Israeli Zionist regimes. Participants of a symposium on The The participants also referred to the peaceful co-existence of Muslims and Jews in Arab Muslim countries, where Jews are treated equally and enjoy their fundamental rights and freedom, which they cannot under Israeli regimes. Talk about breathing your own exhaust! These monster raving loonies are out to lunch. Soviet era propaganda writers can't hold a candle to this sort of stuff. Who in hell believes any of this garbage besides anti-Semites? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-08-15 7:24:09 PM |
| #44 Actually he probably does mean Tarkington as in Seventeen, the novel, not the magazine. Hoosiers tend to get carried away about him. Don't give Schofield the chance to get on the James Whitcomb Riley. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-08-15 6:40:53 PM |
| #43 TGA, Just clicked on your link. It is amazing how the Muslim Arabs (like the French) know what is best for their (former) Jews... certainly much better than those poor, ignorant creatures are capable of understanding for themselves. Reminds me of a certain type of old world gentleman who believes that women are incapable of functioning without a man to tell them what to do. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-08-15 6:36:01 PM |
| #42 Zenster, I like your reading list much better than poor, obnoxious Anti's. P.Schofield, I think you mean Paddington, as in Paddington Station, where Paddington Bear was found. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-08-15 6:29:03 PM |
| #41 The mere fact that you crets are discussing malice in blunderland and annes green gargoyles is a sign of the failure of western civilization. I CHOOSE TARKINGTON! GIVE ME TAR OR GIVE ME DEATH! |
| Posted by: P Schofield 2004-08-15 4:36:19 PM |
| #40 It was not without reason that Mark Twain praised Anne of Green Gables as the "dearest, and most lovable child in fiction since the immortal Alice." To this very day, Alice in Wonderland remains solid adult reading as does Anne of Green Gables. One quote by L.M. Montgomery stands out even now and might find suitable application as regards a certain religion so widely discussed at these forums: "Not failure but low aim is criminal." |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-08-15 3:49:18 PM |
| #39 Gentle's University Click it, it's fun! |
| Posted by: True German Ally 2004-08-15 3:45:37 PM |
| #38 Here ya go, Shipman. I have some Guinness stout tinnies with the foamer thingy in the can left over from last night's suaree. Best draft in a can I've tasted since draft out of St. Jame's Gate, Dublin. A full meal in al-u-Mineum. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-08-15 3:43:41 PM |
| #37 I remember reading Fatima of Grim Gables, it was very realistic and yet somehow unsatisfying. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-08-15 3:31:02 PM |
| #36 Damnit AP, be insensitive to the other side! Where's ma beer? No shorties pls. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-08-15 3:29:36 PM |
| #35 Anne of Green Gables, Gentle, why is it that you are always reading 6th grade level books? |
| Posted by: B 2004-08-15 3:22:24 PM |
| #34 Zenster-- I already asked Gentle that question ... Thank you for cutting to the chase, BMN. Sometimes one simple statistic can sum up a huge number of other extraneous facts. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-08-15 3:18:46 PM |
| #33 Zenster-- I already asked Gentle that question, and what it would take to open one if there were not any, or whether someone could open another. She never responded. Maybe you'll do better. |
| Posted by: BMN 2004-08-15 2:40:43 PM |
| #32 Thank you! |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-15 2:31:03 PM |
| #31 Gentle, I have one very serious question for you. It is not meant to be mean or cause ridicule of any sort. How many synagogues are there in the Emirates? I would appreciate you taking the time to respond, thank you. hmmmm 8000 meals saved? Buy a new Caterpillar D-9 And the award for Most Snarky Commentator goes to ... |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-08-15 2:26:31 PM |
| #30 Hey everyone, gentle, half assed pete, let's get the luuuuuuuuuve back. Here, everyone have a beer on me. Woops! Bad idea. Culturally insensitive of me....maybe I will just leave now...bye.... |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-08-15 2:22:10 PM |
| #29 How is this any different than a spoiled brat threatening somebody, not related to them, that they will "hold their breath until they turn blue if the don't get their way"? Why don't the EU and Palos understand that? |
| Posted by: 3dc 2004-08-15 1:56:49 PM |
| #28 i agree with halfass pete |
| Posted by: smokeysinse 2004-08-15 1:04:48 PM |
| #27 Gentle, dear, your provincialism is showing. First of all, all languages provide a view of the world not available in any other. In the case of English, the desire to communicate effectively. Arabic is poetic and full of quotes to show piety and erudition. German vocabulary is, I think, the basis for its Romantic outlook as well as those long smashed-together words resulting from the national desire to demonstrate intelligence by parading facts rather than presenting conclusions (our beloved TGA excepted, of course). And certain words are so much stronger in one language rather than another: my German-born daughter used the English "yes", but always the German "nein", which is soooo much more effective out of the mouth of a toddler. My husband still says, "Shwaiya, shwaiya" (slowly, slowly) from his time in Egypt. Second, you keep insisting that yours is the only real Islam. The West has had its own religious wars, and in general learned to accept that others hold views different from our own, whoever "Us" may be. Outside of your cozy little corner of the world, it is both courtesy and wisdom to accept this, and move on to functioning within this unchangable reality. Third, thus far you have insisted on parroting what you've been taught about the outside world (Shia are a cult; Americans kicked out of the house at 18) instead of responding thoughtfully to what you find here. Rantburg would be happy to have another local correspondent to add to the collection, but only if you bring something worthwhile to the table. Your current homework assignment is to provide a thoughtful and logical answer to the points raised in posts #5, 16, 17 and 20; extra credit for 1. thoughts on why most Emirate prisoners are prostitutes, but not their customers, and 2. an exploration of why Rantburgers feel no sympathy for the Palestinian situation (hint: "because they are prejudiced" is not acceptable). |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-08-15 12:47:30 PM |
| #26 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete TROLL 2004-08-15 12:33:31 PM |
| #25 At least my parents don't turm me out of the house 'coz I'm 18, like a lot of people do in America. That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. I had to wait until I was 18. Gentle, you are one misinformed soul. And you have the nerve to make sweeping generalizations about us? |
| Posted by: Raj 2004-08-15 12:28:57 PM |
| #24 ummmmm...Pete? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-15 12:26:32 PM |
| #23 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete TROLL 2004-08-15 12:25:43 PM |
| #22 At least my parents don't turm me out of the house 'coz I'm 18, like a lot of people do in America. That's the one. I don't think our Gentle plans to marry... perhaps that's a good thing. I am perhaps wrong on this gal, perhaps she really is trying to do an Austin. That would be a way to validate an otherwise captive life. |
| Posted by: Abu MacShipman 2004-08-15 12:20:05 PM |
| #21 hmmmm 8000 meals saved? Buy a new Caterpillar D-9 |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-15 12:05:11 PM |
| #20 They'll be in for a hard lesson when they realize that nobody outside of Palestine gives a shit if they live or starve to death. If this follows the "defiant jihadi" timetable, I'd give it 2 days. Less if they get really hungry. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-08-15 12:00:03 PM |
| #19 Well said Minister Tzahi. Call their bluff - 8,000 of them not eating? yeah, right. They'll end up saying they're going to limit it to 50-100 pawns in the name of humanity. And then blame it on the Jooos. |
| Posted by: Tony (UK) 2004-08-15 11:58:37 AM |
| #18 Die a slow painful bloated death you genocidal pali slims. Starve away. Sh!t. If you had any b@lls at all, you would set yourselves on fire while sitting still in place. We promise not to let our women piss on your ashes. That's a job for dogs, (female of course). |
| Posted by: Victory Now Please 2004-08-15 11:56:32 AM |
| #17 Gentle (interesting choice of names for a member of a religion that is clearly the greatest instigator of UNgentle behavior in the world today): I don't know where you get your ideas about turning children out of the house at 18 -- In fact, children WANT to get out of the house because they want to become productive members of society, to form their own thoughts and live their own lives. As far as conditions in prisons in Israel vs. prisons in the Muslim world, well, I think most Muslims would choose Israel. Furthermore, I shudder to think of the treatment a Jew would get in a Muslim prison (for as long as he is alive, which I should think would be measured in days, not months or years). |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2004-08-15 11:05:16 AM |
| #16 Gentle is very proud of the religious freedom of the UAE (where just one-quarter of the residents are citizens; it's very curious, isn't it?). This would not apply to Jews, but that's no problem because there aren't any. Everyone else gets to pay jizya. That's her definition of religious freedom--Muslims don't outright kill everyone who isn't Muslim. And oh yeah, the Shi'a are just a cult. I don't know what that means for their religious freedom. As far as intellectual freedom goes, Gentle has already told us that the UAE blocks websites they don't like. Muslims in the West and Israel should of course be free to do whatever they want. Prisoners in Israel have by definition done nothing wrong, as long as they're Muslims, even though they revel in Jewkilling and would be quick to establish, at best, UAE "religious toleration." Remember--the West cannot do anything to defend itself without being racist, but UAE apartheid is "religious freedom." |
| Posted by: BMN 2004-08-15 10:56:43 AM |
| #15 let em starve |
| Posted by: smokeysinse 2004-08-15 10:56:36 AM |
| #14 Deah! I study in English. Its my second language, though its nowhere as wonderful as Arabic. What do you expect? Don't worry, I'm not one of those who talk English all the time, only when I need it. You must have read "Anne of green Gables". You could get a lot out of it. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-15 9:07:25 AM |
| #13 'coz? methinks you are nowhere near the emirates, troll |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-15 9:02:56 AM |
| #12 Yes, so what? No thanks. I like my life just the way it is. At least my parents don't turm me out of the house 'coz I'm 18, like a lot of people do in America. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-15 9:00:52 AM |
| #11 You should try the Saudi life for awhile. You live in a cage although gilded nonetheless. |
| Posted by: whitecollar redneck 2004-08-15 8:55:25 AM |
| #10 drive a car, Gentle? by yourself? leave the country? by yourself? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-15 8:52:45 AM |
| #9 Yes. Of course. Can you? |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-15 8:49:07 AM |
| #8 You should really try to get out more. Can you leave your house by yourself? |
| Posted by: whitecollar redneck 2004-08-15 8:39:26 AM |
| #7 I live in the Emirates. The condition of the jails is really good. I mean they are given a lot of freedom. They have just about everything they need, except absolute freedom. If you want the truth most of those in jail are prostitutes. Murderers and forgers are much less. and YES there are locals there. I've studied about jails, and have visited one. I still have the report I wrote, if you're interested. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-15 7:39:07 AM |
| #6 If I remember correctly,Gentle,you live in Bahrain. Tell us,what are the conditions like in your countries prisions? |
| Posted by: Raptor 2004-08-15 7:23:47 AM |
| #5 Dear Gentle, These men (and the Palestinian people under the leadership, such as it is, of Yasir Arafat and the PLO) are at war with Israel. They do not accept that Israel even exists as a nation, especially as a Jewish nation. The prisons, therefore, are detention centers for those who were caught planning or attempting attacks on Israeli citizens, both Jews and Arabs. The prisoners are not there for rehabilitation. The reason conditions are so crowded is because so many are determined to murder as many Jews as possible, particularly women and children. Arab-Israelis who commit crimes are kept in regular, rehabilitative prisons. Palestinian Arabs who commit crimes rule the streets of the West Bank and Gaza. Surely someone who names herself "Gentle" does not condone the murder of a mother reading bedtime stories to her babies, and the babies with her? Knifing a pregnant woman in the belly before cutting her throat? Those are the men complaining that conditions are overcrowded. You will pardon me that I am not sympathetic. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2004-08-15 6:42:57 AM |
| #4 Beside the fact that most of the people in jail have done NOTHING wrong, but are just held on suspicion, Do you realize that prisons are for rehabilitation, not punishment? |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-15 5:49:49 AM |
| #3 Some 8,000 Palestinians held in crowded Israeli jails plan to launch a mass hunger strike Sunday to demand improved detention conditions despite a warning from Israeli authorities that the action will be futile, Palestinian officials said. The purpose of a prison is NOT to make its occupants' existence a piece of cake. End of story. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-08-15 4:15:53 AM |
| #2 This reminds me of another time in Northern Ireland, when all the IRA Provos were getting jugged. The only thing that they could do after a while was to spread feces on the cell walls and have hunger strikes, like the Bobby Sands deal in 1981, where he eventually died. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-08-15 4:00:36 AM |
| #1 Chapter LXXXIV in the handbook on Actions and Consequences. They must be running out of ammo, worker ants, and ideas over in Ramallah when all the Paleos have are prison issues to push on their agenda. The Paleos have not bottomed out yet. They are still digging. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-08-15 3:56:56 AM |