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We Must Declare Takfeer Against Apostates
2004-08-22
From Al Muhajiroun
.... the one who was Muslim, but then commits apostasy, we must declare takfeer on them. Takfeer is purification of the camp of Islam, and is worship to Allan Allah (swt), we become closer (qurba) to Allan Allah by making takfeer. The one who wants to speak like the kaafir, act like the kaafir, fight with the kaafir against Muslims, they have no right to remain in the camp of Imaan and Tawheed. Those in the Camp of Islam have certain privileges, they marry from the Muslims, they give and take the salami salam from the Muslims, they have rights over Muslims. However the one who commits apostasy from Islam, has no right to those privileges, they have no right to remain in the camp of Imaan, rather they must be with the camp of Kufr, or the kuffar and Mushrikeen. ....

Two Muslims went to Muhammad (saw) with a dispute for arbitration, he judged between them. One man disagreed with the verdict, and said, "I disagree", his companion asked what to do. .... they went to Umar and told him what had happened, Umar [ibn Khattab] told them to wait and he went into his home to retrieve his sword, he struck the first man who disagreed and injured and then chased the second man. .... Umar ibn Khattab judged them to be kaafir on what was apparent, without to check their heart, and ... so Muhammad (saw) hugged him and said, "Allan Allah has purified you from the seventh heaven." ....
Posted by:Mike Sylwester

#14  Gentle/6139, an excellent resource for non-Muslim Arabs is apostatesofislam.com.

You should hang out over there. You'd have lots to talk about, you being an Emirati national and all, right? And even if you're not, you can pick up jewels like this on their message boards:

بسم الله الخَبِيث الوَحْشِيّ
Translation: "In the name of Allah, the Evil, the Savage"
Transliteration : Bismillah Al-Khabees Al Wehshee
Posted by: Another Dan   2004-08-22 3:18:33 PM  

#13  Gentle.Try this:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Testimonies/
Posted by: crazyhorse   2004-08-22 2:29:57 PM  

#12  Spot on Frank.
Posted by: 98zulu   2004-08-22 2:28:27 PM  

#11  she's not Gentle either, she/he/it's a naive apologist for a violent religion, bent on crushing or absorbing the rest of the world, F*&k her/he/it
Posted by: Frank G   2004-08-22 12:45:46 PM  

#10  So, sometimes you're Gentle and sometimes you're A6139. Are you A6139 when you wish to adopt your NOT ROP attitude?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-08-22 12:17:46 PM  

#9  There is no such thing left as a "Dhimmi" status!

Really? I'm sure the Copts in Egypt would be surprised to hear that.

Just as there are no black slaves tied in your back garden.

That's right -- the only black slaves left are "owned" by Arab Muslims.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-08-22 11:37:29 AM  

#8  So pushed any wheelchairs off the cliff today?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-08-22 11:36:55 AM  

#7  There is no such thing left as a "Dhimmi" status!

Just as there are no black slaves tied in your back garden.
Posted by: Gentle   2004-08-22 11:09:20 AM  

#6  Fair enough. I feel the Christians have left the Mooslim world in droves because they were tired of being Dhimmis and saw the rise of Islamofacism as an existential threat.

I have great affection for Christian Arabs. In the 1960's, I grew up in Soddi land and visited Lebanon often, meeting many fine Christians. I also have a good friend who is a Copt and he and his wife have both explained what it is like to be a Dhimmi. That is why they moved to the US and are happy Anericans, free to worship as they please and pursue their future.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian   2004-08-22 11:02:32 AM  

#5  That does NOT answer my question.
Sorry!
Posted by: Gentle   2004-08-22 10:57:29 AM  

#4  6139, most Arab Christians have left the Mooslim lands. Look at Judea/Samaria, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, etc. The Christians have left in droves.
Posted by: Brett_the_Quarkian   2004-08-22 10:56:30 AM  

#3  How do you feel about Christian Arabs?
Posted by: Anonymous6139   2004-08-22 10:46:55 AM  

#2  Sometimes-- such as when reading this kind of bullshit-- I think the war won't be over until Arabic is spoken only in Hell.
Posted by: Dave D.   2004-08-22 10:43:44 AM  

#1  ...Well, how can you possibly argue about being qurba to Allah by performing takfeer on the kaafir?

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2004-08-22 10:10:08 AM  

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