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Iraq-Jordan
Militants control key parts of Iraq
2004-09-08
As American deaths in Iraq passed the 1,000 mark, top Pentagon officials said Tuesday that insurgents control important parts of central Iraq and it is unclear when American and Iraqi forces will be able to secure those areas. As of late Tuesday night, the Pentagon's accounting showed that 998 service members and three Defense Department civilians have been killed in Iraq operations. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a news conference that the American strategy in retaking rebel-held strongholds hinged on training Iraqi forces to take the lead.

Rumsfeld took the unusual step Tuesday of saying U.S. and coalition forces "probably" had killed 1,500 to 2,500 women, kids, babies former regime elements, criminals and terrorists last month. Pentagon officials generally have not been revealing enemy body counts, only occasionally offering estimates of enemy dead in specific incidents. Rumsfeld said Iraqi government officials understood that they must regain control of the rebel-controlled areas. "They get it, and will find a way over time to deal with it," he said. But Myers said the Iraqi forces would not be ready to confront insurgents until the end of this year.

Their comments, which came after a two-day spike in violence across Iraq led to a surge in American military deaths, represented an acknowledgement that the Americans have failed to quell the insurgency in important Sunni-dominated areas and in certain Shiite enclaves. Their assessment also underscored the difficulty of pacifying the country in time for elections in Iraq, scheduled for January.
Posted by:Murat

#14  Now now, folks, I'm fairly sure that the situation is pretty much as given in the article: I'm sure Rummy's as P.O'ed as we are that WE'RE NOT ALLOWING OUR FORCES TO FINISH THE JOB. They're always getting pulled back, negotiated back, pleaded back. There's always whining that any conclusive push to eliminate the bad guys would inevitably destroy the 10,873rd holiest shrine of Islam.

I think it's probably "tough love" time for the Iraquis, "You wanna control things BEFORE we say you're ready? Fine! YOU do it, and see how far the F*CK you get!"

*puts on tinfoil hat* "All this show to demonstrate the inadequacy of the Iraqui military is merely a pretext to shame all Muslims, and to create a pretext to have the puppet government of the United States ask the Raping and pillaging Crusader invaders to stay!"

*takes off tinfoil hat* Sh*t! This thing really DOES work!
Posted by: Ptah   2004-09-08 8:03:14 PM  

#13  wow i never knew Mu-rat had the brains to actually make a post and cross out words, hes not gonna have his own special colour to highlight in is he? if he does i suggest a 'sickly' colour or perhaps a fresh crap brown. consider it Mu-rat.
Posted by: Shep UK   2004-09-08 4:08:08 PM  

#12   Let's face it. If his "heroic" insurgent ninja warriors (It's true they're hard to see hiding behind all the skirts of women and little kids) weren't HIDING, scared shitless, in a (un)holy site, they'd be pushing up daisies right now.
Posted by: 98zulu   2004-09-08 1:43:06 PM  

#11  Murat - it is a sad thing you and I shall never meet.
Posted by: spiffo   2004-09-08 1:14:30 PM  

#10  Remember the German toilet inspectors at BMW always look under the lid, just a hint on keeping them happy.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-09-08 12:57:36 PM  

#9  Have you ever seen Murat and Gentle post to the same thread? I think it's one person and Gentle is his soft side coming out, maybe after one of Murat's trips to San Francisco.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-09-08 12:34:59 PM  

#8  Murat thinks a failed Iraq will give Turkey the green light on a "final solution" to the Kurdish problem.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-09-08 12:32:36 PM  

#7  Murat, why do you want Iraq to fail?

Murat's just like many Muslims, it seems: the only people he wants to see suffer more than other Muslims, is Westerners. I'm guessing Middle Easterners never needed to borrow the word schadenfreude.
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-09-08 12:22:43 PM  

#6  After the the whole Persian Gulf is conquered, the road out leads straight through Constantinople. Then all that sweet, sweet crude has a straight shot to market (with a big ass side pipeline to Isreal). Too bad the Turks won't be around to enjoy any of it. Convert now heathen. Saint George is coming to smite your ass.
Posted by: ed   2004-09-08 12:11:55 PM  

#5  Murat, why do you want Iraq to fail? Turkey will be in a truly uncomfortable situation if we don't succeed. Imagine the result of your Kurdish terrorists reinforced by an angry Kurdistan on your border, supplemented by a free flow of armed Jihadis working to establish a Salafist Caliphate in Istanbul.

Use your brain to think, Murat. Unlike many here, I have faith that you can,if you but try.
Posted by: trailing wife   2004-09-08 11:44:27 AM  

#4  U.S. and coalition forces "probably" had killed 1,500 to 2,500 women, kids, babies

Shit, another million or so and that Armenian genocide record will be in sight! Isn't that right, you Turkish douchebag?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-09-08 11:31:01 AM  

#3  Hehehe yeah figure out how to get out of this shit

Murat : If worst comes to worst - It's called MOAB over Fallujah.
Posted by: BigEd   2004-09-08 11:26:47 AM  

#2  This is a duplicate of an earlier posting, which the 'Rat has commented on. He's just jerking off over the idea of dead Americans.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-09-08 11:12:21 AM  

#1  Murat, you're such a bigoted idiot, you've become predictable and rather boring. You're the perfect poster boy for the fetid latrine that is the moose-limb culture. Oh, and you forgot to include the baby ducks in your hallucinatory body count.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-09-08 11:06:18 AM  

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