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Europe
France backs Annan on 'illegal' Iraq war
2004-09-17
But of course they do.
"See? See? We wuz right!"
France on Friday backed UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's description of the US-led war on Iraq as "illegal", with Foreign Minister Michel Barnier saying that long-held stance was why his country had opposed joining the conflict.  
That and the sweetheart oil exploration deals, the arms sales, the Oil-for-Palaces money, and a few other things we don't know about yet.
"Non, non! Reeeally! Nous wuz just bein'... how you say? Altruistic? (Sacred blue! There is no such word in Francais!)"
"You well know that what explains our country's disagreement with the way the war was carried out was that it clearly did not at that time abide by international law and there was not a clear request from the United States to start that action," he said at a joint news conference with visiting New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff.  
How clear did we need to be?
I'm not sure what the exact wording of the resolution, but to paraphrase, "Sammy, do as you're told or we'll beat you up!"
That was "traditionally" France's view from the start, he added.   "We have always considered that it's international law that constitutes the framework for any action, notably against terrorism or for stability in the world," he said.  
"And international law is just made to protect bloody-handed tin-hat dictators! Everybody knows that!"
Barnier's comments added fuel to a debate over the legitimacy of the US-British invasion of Iraq that promises to loom large at the United Nations headquarters in New York next week when world leaders and ministers gather for the world body's 59th general session. Annan threw the spotlight back on the issue and tore the skin off old transatlantic wounds when he told BBC radio Wednesday that the United States had failed to seek a needed second resolution before launching the war in March 2003. "I've indicated that it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, and from the charter point of view it was illegal," Annan said.  
Fortunately few people take you seriously, Kofi.
It is, of course, well within conformity with the UN charter to gas a few thousand people and bury their bodies using bulldozers...
The US government hit back by claiming it considered that a previous UN resolution passed four months before the conflict gave it sufficient authority to wage its action because Saddam Hussein had refused to surrender suspected stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. The US ambassador to the United Nations, John Danforth, said Thursday that the UN chief should have shut the hell up kept silent on the topic.  
"Kofi, what part about STFU don't you get?"
The debate has re-ignited simmering animosity between the pro- and anti-war camps.   France -- a veto-wielding member of the UN Security Council along with the United States -- was widely perceived as the leader of the latter camp because of highly publicised arguments made at the time by Barnier's predecessor, Dominique de Villepin, questioning the US justification for a pre-emptive invasion. Australian Prime Minister John Howard, a staunch supporter of the war, was particularly scathing of Annan's comment, saying he saw the United Nations as a "paralysed" body.  
I'da have phrased it as a "rotting carcass," myself. But they won't let me be PM of Australia, so I guess "paralysed body" will have to do...
Goff, speaking at Barnier's side, emphasised that, unlike Australia, his country "was not a member of the coalition of the willing" and that it "has always regarded that as being critical in finding multilateral solutions to the world's problems". 
"And that list of multilateral solutions is a long and distinguished list! Why, there's... ummm... uhhh... well... y'see..."
"Any shortcomings of the United Nations can't simply be blamed on the institution itself but rather on the readiness of international community members to work through that institution," he said, adding that "it would have been helpful to have had a second resolution to clarify" the legality of the Iraq war.  
"It would have been even more helpful to continue talking for the next 20 or 30 years, until Sammy eventually either died in office or Iraq turned to dust and blew away like Zim-bob-we's gonna do. That's the way we do things in the UN!"
And if certain countries aren't willing to work through the UN, then it will be part and parcel of the UN's shortcomings. France made the bed, now it can sleep in it.
Posted by:Steve White

#21  The most fundamental difference between the US and the UN/France/other-loony-countries is that the American Republic is rooted in the recognition that individual rights are the rule of acceptable government, while other countries consider to varying degrees that people are subjects of the All-Powerful State, to be sacrificed as the Leader feels like it (whether the leader is Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Annan, Assad, Pétain, Mussolini, Bin Laden, etc.).

As long as the concept of individual rights does not rule and limit governments in most of the world, the USA will be hated and accused by the lovers of statism, collectivism, and tribalism.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2004-09-17 7:13:02 PM  

#20  My problem with this guy:

You well know that what explains our country's disagreement with the way the war was carried out

He's aping Kerry; how pathetic is that?
Posted by: Raj   2004-09-17 7:02:25 PM  

#19  Once again the Chiraq government demonstrates that French perfidy knows no bounds.
Posted by: Scott R   2004-09-17 6:36:22 PM  

#18  We will never subjugate our constitution to another power, and that includes a world body like the UN. Our constitution has been emulated in the constitutions of many countries, so Kofi and Froggy-Boy, don't tell us how to run our country.

In the spirit of "international cooperation," FUCK YOU AND THE CAMELS YOU RODE IN ON! Morons.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-09-17 6:14:29 PM


Tell us how you REALLY feel, Barbara. These ass-hats get your boiler pressure up, too?
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-09-17 6:34:07 PM  

#17  Excuse my shouting, ladies and gents, but I'm really getting sick of this "international law" crap.

Message to Anus, ChIraq, et al.: We run our country based on OUR CONSTITUTION, not your sorry excuse to hobble us that you call "international law."

But in the interest of cooperation, we'll be glad to pull our troops and planes and equipment out of Kosovo (not to mention Germany and Spain) and let you all handle it with your wonderful wisdom, understanding, and nuance.

In the spirit of "international cooperation," FUCK YOU AND THE CAMELS YOU RODE IN ON!

Morons.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2004-09-17 6:14:29 PM  

#16  I think they're trying to influence the election. Problem is, I don't think this is going to help Kerry. Maybe I'm wrong, but having the UN poke its nose into our business probably rubs a lot of Americans, both Kerry and Bush supporters, the wrong way.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2004-09-17 6:05:59 PM  

#15  Another vote for NO, smokey!
Posted by: debbie   2004-09-17 5:09:20 PM  

#14  Smokey...uh no.
Posted by: remote man   2004-09-17 4:56:06 PM  

#13  am i the only one who doesn't give a flying shit what France or the UN think?
Posted by: smokeysinse   2004-09-17 4:31:18 PM  

#12  France on Friday backed UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's description of the US-led war on Iraq as "illegal", with Foreign Minister Michel Barnier saying that long-held stance was why his country had opposed joining the conflict.

A pile of steamy, hot, male bovine feces.

If anything, this proves that Chirac and his stooges have really, REALLY hard heads.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-09-17 4:22:28 PM  

#11  Smoke and mirrors-- that'll keep em distracted. Especially with the Volcker Report due out any day now.
Posted by: Kofi   2004-09-17 2:53:07 PM  

#10  Bah! You beat me to it, Steve. I just posted this same ridicule laden article. What outright twaddle! It's obvious that Annan had to put yet another pleading phone call from Darfur on permanent hold in order to be quoted for this piece of sh!t puffery.
Posted by: Zenster   2004-09-17 2:38:00 PM  

#9  France's new answer for solving the problems of the world--finding the least common demoninator, so that all the cooks in the kitchen can agree to cook up a lousy soup.

AP-you have it right, too-it's all about who you know. France is still a status-driven nation.
Posted by: jules 187   2004-09-17 2:06:58 PM  

#8  Yet another display of French "leadership": they wait for someone else to act, then they follow like sheep.
Posted by: Brutus   2004-09-17 2:03:34 PM  

#7  Just wait until Kofi finds out that the suitcase full of French Francs they bribed him with is worthless.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2004-09-17 1:51:39 PM  

#6  The biggest violators of international law hide behind it. Baltic Blog has it right, what about Kosovo? Clinton got a pass, he is not accused of being a war criminal. So it is not as much behavior, but rather who you are that determines whether you get a pass or not.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-09-17 1:45:49 PM  

#5  This the day before Fox News reports Claudia Rossett's piece about the UN Oil-for-Food Scandle coverup!!!! HEEEEEE HEEEEEEE
Posted by: Yosemite Sam   2004-09-17 1:40:03 PM  

#4  The day the headline is "France: Kofi Full of Shit", let me know. That will be news.
Posted by: tu3031   2004-09-17 1:36:58 PM  

#3  I wonder; does this logic also extend to Kosovo? Or is that a "good war" with no UN mandate?
Posted by: Baltic Blog   2004-09-17 1:31:34 PM  

#2  Ah, the old "international law" meme. So, where was that codified, again, froggy?
Posted by: mojo   2004-09-17 1:03:50 PM  

#1  Get us out of the UN and the UN out of the US!!!
Posted by: mmurray821   2004-09-17 12:46:08 PM  

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