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Southeast Asia
Indon warship threatens tourists in Timorese waters
2004-09-22
LiberalHawk, Zhang Fei, OldSpook, Bulldog: what do you make of this? This does not happen all the time. It has security implications for Australia. When are we getting a US base to our north please?

Most importantly, is this cheekiness a response to the change of Government? Do the military feel that General Bambang is going to be a lot more aggressive than Megawatti?

Are they going to re-invade East Timor?

This story will be hushed up and spun in the Australian press as our country is always scared of causing a rift with Indonesia: please be vigilant.

Dive boat with two British crew and eight tourists on board was close to the island of Atauro, 15km off the coast of East Timor (in East Timorese waters) when it was approached in a HOSTILE manner by Indonesian warship Kri Hasan Basri. Australian dive-boat operator Mark Mialszygrosz said the 80m frigate came to within 100m of his tour boat. Indonesian naval officers attempted to communicate by radio in english. Timorese authorities have asked him not to disclose details of the message which he described as hostile. The boat was ordered by loud hailer to prepare to be boarded. The skipper ignored and set sail for Dili to the South. People on board felt threatened. The indonesian warship was 200m off the west coast of Atauro, clearly in East Timorese waters.
Posted by:Anon1

#9   I don’t think this incident represents either a return to past oppression, or the military getting cocky over SBY winning the election. I think it is just a border dispute.

I've operated with the Indonesians in the past; they tended to be rather touchy about borders, territory, and foreign involvement (our joint exercise took place in a remote area, and the initial and post-op meetings were on a normally-uninhabited island). It's likely also the same reason they balked at the initial U.S. proposal for coordinated Straits security.
Posted by: Pappy   2004-09-22 11:19:04 PM  

#8  thankyou, cingold, that was good information.

thankyou zhang and phil b, I too think of Indonesia as the Javanese empire. The javanese are aggressive.

I think cingold is probably right, that it's just a border dispute, it did say in the original article that there is still debate over some sea boundaries and that they are squabling over them so it could just be that.

that said, they were only 200 meters offshore, they had to have known they were in Timorese waters, and was this ordered from higher up the chain?
Posted by: Anon1   2004-09-22 9:00:08 PM  

#7  I regularly refer to Indon as the Javanese empire, although unlike other empires it wasn't achieved by the dominant group (i.e. the Javanese).
Posted by: phil_b   2004-09-22 11:27:19 AM  

#6  Indonesia is an empire composed of the former Dutch colonies in Southeast Asia. It incorporates a real melange of ethnicities, languages and religions. Empires either expand or contract. They cannot remain static. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2004-09-22 11:09:18 AM  

#5  A map may help:

While " the island of Atauro, [may only be] 15km off the coast of East Timor (in East Timorese waters)," it also is pretty close to Indonesian territory (within Indonesian waters). East Timor and Indonesia continue to negotiate over borders and border demarcations, and are still (in some places) only at the survey stage.

That said, the past slaughter of Timorese by Indonesians cannot be excused or forgotten. Nonetheless, the brutal suppression of the Timorese probably represents a backlash against anything even resembling socialism/communism in the area, attempts of Suharto and his cronies to deflect attention from themselves by creating and maintaining national crises, unthinking attempts to impose conformity, unbridled bloodletting kept in check by Suharto’s authoritarian regime up until he left power in 1998, or some combination of all of the above. Indonesia’s politicians have long been keenly aware that any move toward autonomy on the part of any subculture/people group could precipitate a cascade of seditionist autonomy seeking that would result in the very dissolution of Indonesia as a nation. Cohesion is king in Indonesia -- and has naturally led to some paranoia and (at times) flat out abusive tactics.

I don’t think this incident represents either a return to past oppression, or the military getting cocky over SBY winning the election. I think it is just a border dispute. I think SBY will improve discipline in the military, and also will improve international relations in the region.
Posted by: cingold   2004-09-22 2:12:26 AM  

#4  If shit happens expect Portugal to start his "stone in shoe" diplomaticx efforts
Posted by: Anonymous6361   2004-09-22 2:05:01 AM  

#3  ..Frankly, I'll see their Kri Hasan Basri:

From www.hazegray.org:
Concept/Program: Large group of ex-East German corvettes, a few of which had briefly served with the West German navy. Although intended mainly for ASW, they are probably used mostly for patrol work, and some of the weapons/sensors may be inoperable.

And raise them one of these...
http://hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/usa/cvn65-3.jpg

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2004-09-22 1:28:09 AM  

#2  Don't mothball those F-111s just yet.
Posted by: Gromky   2004-09-22 1:24:31 AM  

#1  It would be interesting to know if the dive boat was displaying a flag.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-09-22 1:18:08 AM  

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