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| Arizona Prop. 200 Wins, Faces Legal Challenges |
| 2004-11-03 |
| Arizonans approved Proposition 200 on Tuesday. The measure, designed to combat voter and benefits fraud by non-citizens, had a significant lead late Tuesday with most precincts reporting. But while the battle for votes has come to an end, the fight over Proposition 200 is expected to continue in the courtroom soon, with opponents planning legal challenges that could block it from immediately going into effect. |
| Posted by:Pappy |
| #6 lawyered to death - overturned by courts |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-11-03 6:50:12 PM |
| #5 Anyone in CA know what happened to prop. 187? Was it ever implemented or was it lawyered to death? I suspect that AZ prop. 200 opponents will use the same tactics. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-11-03 5:14:24 PM |
| #4 The defense lawyers asked if any of the prospective jurors had strong feelings about illegal immigrants. They had to ASK about this? Sheesh. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-03 4:52:30 PM |
| #3 I was in a voir dire proceeding yesterday selecting a jury for a trial in US District Court in San Diego. The case involved an illegal immigrant who had been deported and then recaptured in the US. The defense lawyers asked if any of the prospective jurors had strong feelings about illegal immigrants. Almost half the pool spoke up. Surprisingly about half of the Hispanics in the pool were strongly opposed to illegal immigration and said that we don't need more laws, we just need a government with the guts to enforce the existing ones. I won't repeat the litany of moral outrage (what part of illegal don't you understand?) and economic woes fueling this mood, but it was long, detailed, and not very pretty. |
| Posted by: RWV 2004-11-03 2:21:18 PM |
| #2 The "great frustration" Arizonans and other border States feel toward illegal immigration isn't simple opposition toward illegals. They feel they are whipsawed by a federal government that actively *wants* huge numbers of illegals to enter the country as long as they stay illegal. This is done because illegals are very cheap labor that the US economy craves. But if they are legal, or have work permits, they have to be paid much, much more and have other benefits, like unions and being treated like human beings instead of slaves. IT REALLY SUCKS. So what this proposition really does is take Arizona out of the game. No more indirect State subsidies to businesses that hire illegals. If they want that delicious illegal labor, they have to pay them enough to live on, or they just can't afford to stay in Arizona. And let me tell you: the businesses that hire illegals are going nuts about this legislation. It is like welfare reform for them, the ending of an entitlement, and they bitterly resent being denied their far-below-minimum-wage workforce. If all the border States adopt similar laws, they hope to force the hand of the federal government to create a serious guest worker program--something that should have been done 40 years ago. |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2004-11-03 1:48:17 PM |
| #1 I still can't get over the fact that I have to submit ID to check out a book from the Phoenix Public Library.....and that's ok. But, heaven forbid I have to show ID to vote! |
| Posted by: Desert Blondie 2004-11-03 1:41:37 PM |