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Home Front: Culture Wars
Secession Movement Gains Steam
2004-11-09
"Oh, hold me, Babs!"
The Washington Times today covers the emerging blue-state secession movement. It started as a joke but seems to be working its way towards becoming a real proposal. Meanwhile, journalists are discovering strange new artifacts from American history: "While secession is often thought to be a Southern phenomenon, Northern leaders repeatedly threatened secession in the 19th century, in protest of such provocations as the War of 1812, as well as the admission of Louisiana and Texas to the Union. In 1803, Massachusetts Sen. Timothy Pickering proposed 'a new confederacy,' naming the New England states members along with New York ('the center of the confederacy')." What's next? Will The Nation start promoting DiLorenzo's masterful expose of Lincoln? Roderick saw it first.
Posted by:tipper

#28  If California wishes to secede, I don't have a problem with that. Just give me ample notice of the official date so I can be long gone by then, never to return.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-11-10 12:04:45 AM  

#27  Lex is right. The LLL want to seceed because of their "shrinkage." LOL!

Matt---the parody of the Bonnie Blue Flag is a classic!
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-11-09 10:28:20 PM  

#26  CAUTION: I noticed a (Thomas) DiLorenzo name was mentioned at the bottom of the posting, in terms of his so-called "masterful expose of Lincoln" (?)

DiLorenzo is directly tied in with the most rabid neo-Confederate-KKK organizations that mask their true cause of blind hate for anyone whom they classify as a 'Yankee'. These bastards would have loved slavery to continue. DiLorenzo is NOT a conservative, but a bigot. He peddles his real hate within his own circles and a watered down version for the general public. If anything, he should be viewed crafty clone of David Duke. Example; on August 24th, of 2004 he quoted this source "Alleged Ku Klux Outrages" for his new version of post Civil War 'history', stating those in KKK were only defending themselves and he displayed two large photos of the KKK.themselves. This element even has their own coded lingo between themselves in publications & on the internet.

Remedy: If the leftist losers want to run away to Canada , good, take the DiLorenzo types with them. That would really clean up this nation.

Those true conservatives & I am one, which greatly assisted in re-electing President Bush do not need the likes of anyone in the forefront of the 'masked' Southern-KKK secessionist movement flying their 'Confederate' flag.

DiLorenzo's photo in link
Posted by: Mark Espinola   2004-11-09 10:16:37 PM  

#25  Aigh!, My Eyes! Who put that up there?!?!?!
Posted by: Asedwich   2004-11-09 7:58:38 PM  

#24  Damn Matt! Way good!
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-09 6:54:03 PM  

#23  Blue Staters, Welcome to the Hotel California!
Posted by: A Jackson   2004-11-09 6:41:18 PM  

#22  Let's be serious, if memory serves the blue states are filled with pacifists? I'd love to see the rioting in the steets. No war for secession! No war for Canada!
Posted by: rjschwarz   2004-11-09 5:07:11 PM  

#21  They're not seceding, but they are shrinking. When the county-by-county results are analyzed, I'm sure we'll see that Bush carried more or less the same counties he did in 2000. It's just that those red counties are growing, many of them (esp in Colorado, Nevada, other southwestern states, also North Carolina and other boomtown sunbelt locales) at a rapid rate, while the old economy urban areas and blue counties are losing population.

It would be unbelievably stupid for the Dems to bet on the rustbelt and the inner cities instead of the high-growth suburbs/ex-urbs and the sunbelt. But hey, they nominated Kerry, didn't they?
Posted by: lex   2004-11-09 3:25:34 PM  

#20  What if we kick them out? Can we do that? ;)

Posted by: Desert Blondie   2004-11-09 3:18:40 PM  

#19  No I meant the Confederate Flag. Having a reverse civil war would be amusing. And of course, the good guys, ie the Union, win.
Posted by: JFM   2004-11-09 2:17:46 PM  

#18  Don't you mean, "Bostonians and New Yorkers under the U.N. flag"?
Posted by: AzCat   2004-11-09 1:51:15 PM  

#17  It will be interesting: Alabamans and Georgians under the United States flag fighting Bostonians and New Yorkers carrying the Confederate flag. And a few decades after the Rebs are crushed, a New York woman writes a novel "Gone with the Winds". Hint: In French to have winds is what hapopens after eating beans.
Posted by: JFM   2004-11-09 1:30:04 PM  

#16  The Bonnie Blue State Flag:

We are a bunch of tranzis
We hate American soil
We're not fighting for the liberty
Earned by soldiers' toil

And when Osama called us
The cry went near and far:
Hurrah for the Blue State Flag
There's just no need for war.
Posted by: Matt   2004-11-09 12:56:13 PM  

#15  And if seige warfare proves anything, it proves that cities are hell during a seige.

Not if the defenders are weaponsless pussies.
Posted by: BH   2004-11-09 12:42:00 PM  

#14  Siege warfare has evolved quite a bit actually. Global Security covered MOUT quite well in the run up to the Iraq war. Also, see comment by mmurray821.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-11-09 12:41:20 PM  

#13  I made this same point on a different comment group yesterday about this subject : most of the supposedly Blue states are only Blue in the urban areas. Outside of Multnomah County, Oregon is almost all red. And if seige warfare proves anything, it proves that cities are hell during a seige. I know of no major American urban area that has more than one week's worth of food on hand, none that have the majority of their freshwater needs met internally, nor any that have independent power generation to meet their needs.
End result : Stalingrad without the happy ending.
Posted by: Chinese Unomotch9553   2004-11-09 11:57:56 AM  

#12  I would allow for peaceful secession if enough of a states population voted for it, and the state agreed to take on their proper share of the national debt.

That won't happen of course, they want it all. They can go to Canada or New Zealand if they want, but they can't expect to take away california without a fight.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2004-11-09 11:44:05 AM  

#11  The south keeping the north in the union?? Holy irony batman. Bedford Forest is turning in his grave.
Posted by: Jarhead   2004-11-09 10:56:54 AM  

#10  Hehehe... It reminds me of the pictures of the protesters with the signs, "Can we seceded yet?" and "F**k middle America". My response, "Hey, guys. Before making yourself even more of an ass, remember which side has all the guns. Hint, it ain't yours.."
Posted by: mmurray821   2004-11-09 10:52:41 AM  

#9  I'd prefer a march to the Gulf of St Lawrence. The tough part is which to burn, Quebec or Boston.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-09 10:51:37 AM  

#8  The Army of Steve vs The Moore Horde.

Sounds like the most exciting 17 seconds of combat in history.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats   2004-11-09 10:42:27 AM  

#7  Ya the Army of Michael Moore with Jabba in the front lines. Biff bam. take that you rebel.
Posted by: Bill Nelson   2004-11-09 10:40:39 AM  

#6  I look forward to seeing how future history books will cover Col. Steve's march to the Pacific Ocean.
Posted by: BH   2004-11-09 10:17:02 AM  

#5  Hopefully a few prominent Dems will openly advocate this course of action. We'll have a Republican majority for decades if that happens.
Posted by: AzCat   2004-11-09 10:06:56 AM  

#4  Yet another issue that was settled by war. You can join but you cannot leave. Se, er... 1865 for an example.

Soon to appear: Tommy Franks' March to the Sea?
Posted by: Chuck Simmins   2004-11-09 10:03:26 AM  

#3  Boston should have to repay the US for the Big Dig
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-09 9:53:53 AM  

#2  Insanity, pure insanity!
Posted by: RJB in JC MO   2004-11-09 9:30:25 AM  

#1  Last time somebody tried to leave they got blockaded and had their cities burned down. I wonder how long San Francisco or Boston would last with no food, water, or electricity.

Let's find out. Go for it, morons.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats   2004-11-09 9:15:47 AM  

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