Gotta really appreciate the hard work of the Marines...
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| Iraq-Jordan | |
| 300 Holed Up in Falluja Mosque | |
| 2004-11-12 | |
US commanders say they are negotiating the surrender of as many as 300 people holed up in a mosque in the Iraqi rebel stronghold of Falluja. It is unclear whether those inside are insurgents or civilians.
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| Posted by:sludj |
| #34 If you blow them up into lil bitty bits,then there is no way to tell if they were jihads or sympathizers.Where's my bottle of Chianti. |
| Posted by: Brewer 2004-11-13 12:17:45 AM |
| #33 Only the 300 surrenders is good - if that hadn't happened, I would have been for simply dropping the JDAM to get it over with before the media could have spun the negotiations at all. See "Kill Faster" by Ralph Peters - get the job irrevocably done before the MSM can get inside your OODA loop and screw it up, by getting inside theirs and getting the kills first. |
| Posted by: Edward Yee 2004-11-12 11:07:44 PM |
| #32 Damn, they ain't dead yet? |
| Posted by: smn 2004-11-12 10:06:19 PM |
| #31 Well, despite all the spin from the BEEB and ships at sea, this just goes to show the professionalism and thoroughness of the Marines. The only advice I have to give is to not send these clowns to Gitmo. H-1 or someplace in the middle of the western desert would be fine. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-11-12 9:11:36 PM |
| #30 Beeb reporter's remark: when they see what they believe to be militants Ah, the "militants" rear their little heads again. No neck-sawing fascists or terrorists or foreign provacateurs in these parts. No sir. The Beeb press corps are not shy about mixing opinions in with their reportage. Why doesn't this beebster tell us what he sees? Or can he see no evil? |
| Posted by: lex 2004-11-12 8:12:42 PM |
| #29 HOLY SHIT, we caught Hannibal Lecter!! (see BigEd's photo) I knew Zarqawi wasn't the brains behind that outfit. And that beheading stuff, NOW I get it. The only thing missing is a hand-cart for that marine roll him down the street. |
| Posted by: sludj 2004-11-12 7:58:18 PM |
| #28 About those 17 virgins. Is there anything which says they are not the same 17 virgins for everyone? (Meaning that there are 17 virgins shared among all the thousands of muslims who have died for Allen....) |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-11-12 7:15:25 PM |
| #27 Take two JADMS and build a new mosque in the morning. Thanks for playing our game: YOU CAN'T WIN! "See what happens when low-life Jihadis try to take refuge in a mosque and take pot shots at Marines." |
| Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2004-11-12 6:51:50 PM |
| #26 "You folks do realize that we're talking about 21,600 virgins here? And, given events of the past few days there may ALREADY be a virgin shortage wherever it is these mutts wind up " Like it Justrand, Like it !! |
| Posted by: leo88 2004-11-12 6:50:24 PM |
| #25 If a BBC reporter is not being all unamerican there is a chance he knows something about the 50% layoff at the BBC that hasn't been reported yet. |
| Posted by: rjschwarz 2004-11-12 6:43:11 PM |
| #24 Oh yeah. There's going to be a run on the men's panty section at the Falluja Victoria Secrets. |
| Posted by: anymouse 2004-11-12 6:42:29 PM |
| #23 You folks do realize that we're talking about 21,600 virgins here? And, given events of the past few days there may ALREADY be a virgin shortage wherever it is these mutts wind up. Still, they need help movin' on...and I say we oblige 'em! MOAB time! |
| Posted by: Justrand 2004-11-12 6:42:03 PM |
| #22 How many beheaders and kidnappers are in that 300? |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-12 6:41:16 PM |
| #21 The guy in #16 looks like he shat himself :) hehehehe! |
| Posted by: Tony (UK) 2004-11-12 6:35:34 PM |
| #20 Bagged all 300...nice. Man...that's a lot of panties! I see a lingerie riot in the offing. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-11-12 6:32:02 PM |
| #19 Reporting the situation without any spin. Him being an eyewitness in this case means that little can be done to spin anything. And if he does try to massage the reporting to give it a tone more in line with typical BBC fare, well, it's his word against the word of every single member of the unit he was embedded with. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-12 6:28:45 PM |
| #18 Mmmmmhmmmm. You got enny more uh that potted meat mmmmmmmhmmmmm /slingblade If we got 300 terrs to surrender then that is a huge victory from many perspectives: 1. Intelligence 2. Reduction of enemy force 3. PR - positive for us 4. PR - bad for the jihadis 5. Distrust amongst the balance of the jihadi force - they will be all torn up to learn that 300 people together in one place decided to surrender. I guess they weren't so faithful. The myth of the great Arab fighter is going to go up in smoke as these guys come out with their hands up. |
| Posted by: Remoteman 2004-11-12 6:26:54 PM |
| #17 Matt's referring to this article. It's heavily civilian-casualties spun. I've seen at least three of Paul Woods' televised reports, and his comments re. civilians have been measured and minimal. Most of the time he's simply been reporting on the fighting, and how the battle's going. And he's been right in the midst of it. I wouldn't be surprised if the staff at BBC online have had a large influence on what went into that online report attributed to him. Or maybe he's calmed down and had tme to think, and remember his BBC training. ;) |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-11-12 6:21:37 PM |
| #16 Gotta really appreciate the hard work of the Marines... |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-11-12 6:21:09 PM |
| #15 Bulldog, I think you are being too charitable, at least based on the article Matt refers too. The whole gist of the report is to fret about possible, but unobserved, civilian casualties. |
| Posted by: sludj 2004-11-12 6:07:10 PM |
| #14 Matt - if you're referring to the Beeb reporter I think you are, he's been filing some damn good stuff. Hard to believe he's actually a Beeb employee. Reporting the situation without any spin. He won't last long. In fact, he's right up in the thick of it for days. Bosses are probably hoping there's a round with his name on it out there. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-11-12 6:04:23 PM |
| #13 UPDATE: Beeb is now saying that up to 300 have surrenderred. Nice, quick, outcome. We should be achieving an intelligence bonanza along with our military victory. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4008255.stm |
| Posted by: sludj 2004-11-12 5:51:06 PM |
| #12 i think they should ask theirself this. Would the insurgents let any American soldiers surrender or kill them? |
| Posted by: smokeysinse 2004-11-12 5:15:03 PM |
| #11 Sounds like a time to use the camera grenade. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-11-12 5:03:10 PM |
| #10 Q: What is the difference between the Fallujah mosque described above and a bucket of shit? A: The bucket. |
| Posted by: reality check 2004-11-12 4:58:25 PM |
| #9 Surrender? Surrender? i do not think that is in my pocket edition of the US Armed Forces "Islamofacist-to-English" translation book... too bad. |
| Posted by: USN, retired 2004-11-12 4:54:01 PM |
| #8 flush 300 islamocockroaches via 72-Virgin Airlines to meet allan in Hell. |
| Posted by: anymouse 2004-11-12 4:35:00 PM |
| #7 If there are civies...they may be human shields as well. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-11-12 4:27:31 PM |
| #6 The Beeb has a reporter embedded with the Marines, and, through clenched teeth he actually expresses some admiration for the Marines: "And when they see what they believe to be militants - and these marines are incredibly calm under fire, they are almost unflinching - they do wait until they see a guy with a gun but when they see that, they open up with everything they have got and the question is, how much collateral damage is there going to be?" |
| Posted by: Matt 2004-11-12 4:25:05 PM |
| #5 I actually think turning this into a lenthy negotiation is a mistake. If we end up having to take them out, much of the media will portray it as unnecessary, and that portrayal will have more resonance if there is a protracted negotiation. Get it done quick I sez. |
| Posted by: sludj 2004-11-12 4:24:35 PM |
| #4 As a former infantryman, I say let the negotiaters do their job for a while. There very well could be civies in there and if we can get them out and the bad guys to surrender it will be good. They have neat little robots now to take a peek at what is going on. However, if they are all males or mostly fighters, call in the JDAM and turn 'em into potted meat. Patience is the key. They ain't goin' anywhere and I am sure the military has turned the water off already so time is on our side. |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2004-11-12 4:17:52 PM |
| #3 Fish, meet barrel. Barrel, meet fish. |
| Posted by: someone 2004-11-12 4:09:55 PM |
| #2 Surrender!? Kill 'em. |
| Posted by: someone 2004-11-12 4:05:09 PM |
| #1 Please stand by for our negotiator, Mr. JDAM. |
| Posted by: RWV 2004-11-12 3:58:09 PM |