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Down Under
Church vilified Muslims: ruling
2004-12-17
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AN evangelical Christian ministry has been found to have vilified Islam during a seminar and in a newsletter which mocked the religion.
That would seem to be part of the mission now, wouldn't it.
The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) today blasted the Catch the Fire Ministries, its pastor Danny Nalliah and speaker Daniel Scot over the March 2002 seminar in Melbourne and several articles in the church's newsletter.

In a decision handed down today in a key test of Victoria's three-year-old racial and religious vilification laws, Judge Michael Higgins found in favour of the Islamic Council of Victoria, which took the action against Catch The Fire. Judge Higgins found that Catch the Fire and Pastor Scot had breached section eight of the Religious and Racial Tolerance Act.
The Aussies, the Canadians, the Brits ... something is rotten in the Anglophone states.
Also found in breach was church leader Pastor Nalliah, who was an unsuccessful senate candidate for the Family First party in this year's federal election. Judge Higgins will decide on penalties, which could include orders for an apology or damages, early next year.

Judge Higgins said the seminar run by the ministry, a newsletter on its website, and a website article written by an author identified as Richard all breached the Act. In a summary of reasons for his decision, Judge Higgins said Pastor Scot had throughout the seminar made fun of Muslim beliefs and conduct. "It was done, not in the context of a serious discussion of Muslims' religious beliefs," Judge Higgins said.
For that you have to come to Rantburg.
"It was presented in a way which is essentially hostile, demeaning and derogatory of all Muslim people, their God, Allah, the prophet Mohammed (PTUI) and in general Muslim religious beliefs and practices."

Judge Higgins said that, during the seminar, Pastor Scot had claimed that the Koran promoted violence, killing and looting and that Muslims were liars and demons.
Fred ... we're in deep trouble.
Pastor Scot also had said Muslims had a plan to overrun western democracy by violence and terror and wanted to turn Australia into an Islamic nation, and he exaggerated Muslim population numbers in Australia.
It was all the seething that caused him to mis-count.
"I find that Pastor Scot's conduct was not engaged in reasonably and in good faith for any genuine religious purpose or any purpose that is in the public interest," he said.

Judge Higgins said an article in the church's newsletter, written by Pastor Nalliah, incited fear and hatred of Muslims, as did a third article by a person identified as Richard, which claimed it was not possible to separate Islam from terrorism.
It's an honest mistake.
Victoria's Equal Opportunity Commission welcomed the decision on the case, which was the first to be heard by VCAT since the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act took effect at the start of 2002. "The decision is very significant in terms of showing how the Act operates in practice," said the commission's chief executive, Dr Helen Szoke. "It demonstrates exactly how we can censor peoples' beliefs where the line is drawn between legitimate public debate and behaviour that incites hatred."
Looks like the Thought Police have all the power they need. Time for them to crank up the Pre-Crime Squad.
A full reason for the decision is expected to be handed down in the next fortnight, including any penalties.

Yasser Soliman, president of the Islamic Council of Victoria, said it had been important to make a stand against vilification of Muslims in the community. "We also had the support of the Catholic Church, the interfaith community and the Uniting Church and the Jewish community" Mr Soliman said.
"And also the Masons, the Trilateral Commission, the Mossad, and those funny guys who were worshipping comets, whom we will kill later," he added.
"Because it was very important that we all stood together against vilification and understand that vilification is a tool used by extremists, and we must always condemn extremism and vilification.
As long as it's being done by kufirs.
"That was important, because left unaddressed, it was limiting the (Muslim) community's ability to be seen as average Australians.

"People were being demonised, (being denied) the ability to get jobs, to be friends, to be safe.

"We had to act upon it and felt it was important to have it determined by law."

Mr Soliman said he was saddened that the Islamic Council had to take legal action, but hoped the decision would help promote goodwill between different religions. He said he had told Pastor Nalliah that he would like to develop a better relationship with his church.

Pastor Nalliah said the decision was a blow for freedom of speech in Victoria. He said Catch the Fire would probably appeal to the High Court, depending on the final decision and penalties imposed by Judge Higgins. "Sadly, we've lost the right to speak as a nation, in a sense, as a result of this verdict," he said. "It's a loss for freedom of speech, not just for us, but for all Australians.

"Certainly it (the Act) goes too far."
Posted by:tipper

#14  The Aussies, the Canadians, the Brits ... something is rotten in the Anglophone states.

The greatest capacity for self-chastisement and guilt? We sure seem to have a lot. I hope what you write, phil b, is happening.
Posted by: Jules 187   2004-12-17 4:30:50 PM  

#13  Tipper is right. There does seem to be an anti-PC backlash developing here in Oz. It looks like Labour will be kicked out here in Western Australia in the next state election (Feb). Also the evangelicals are organizing and while they are probably well under 5%, it makes them a potent constituency. Unintended consequences indeed.
Posted by: phil_b   2004-12-17 3:54:39 PM  

#12  Question for our Antipodal readers:
Another question for Antipodal readers, does it come in a plain brown wrapper?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-12-17 3:28:13 PM  

#11   Atomic Conspiracy asked:
"Question for our Antipodal readers: Have any Islamo-fascist demogogues and Moon-cult Streicherists been prosecuted under this law?"
Amir Butler "executive director of the Australian Muslim Public Affairs Committee (AMPAC)" had this to say;
"At every major Islamic lecture I have attended since litigation began against Catch the Fire Ministries, there have been small groups of evangelical Christians - armed with notepads and pens - jotting down any comment that might later be used as evidence in the present case or presumably future cases. (The Islamic Council of Victoria is suing Catch the Fire under Victoria's Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001.)"
The state is going crazy over this.
Expect the present Labor Government to lose power over this, and only this legislation.
The lines are being drawn. What these idiots fail to realise is that the Christians are the majority. Any Laborite who listened to talk back radio today must be cacking their pants.
I think it's called "unintended consequences"
The government is running for cover. Wont help them.
Posted by: tipper   2004-12-17 9:17:19 AM  

#10  Catch the Fire Ministries

You'll have to admit, it's a catchy name.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-12-17 9:06:27 AM  

#9  wow! Talk about setting the bait for your own trap. In the chess game of life, this was a really stupid move for the Moslem extemists - and from what I've heard - even the average Mosque.
Posted by: 2b   2004-12-17 8:20:21 AM  

#8  There is even a secret gang of Zionists conspirators right in Berkeley. They are hiding a bulldozer by disguising it as a VW bus, and plan to use it to plow under the next demonstration by the local chapter of Students in Solidarity with Bus-Bombers.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-12-17 7:45:11 AM  

#7  Yeah, Grom, like under your bed (go look).
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-12-17 7:42:31 AM  

#6  Zionists are everywhere.
Posted by: gromgorru   2004-12-17 6:41:50 AM  

#5  Question for our Antipodal readers:
Have any Islamo-fascist demogogues and Moon-cult Streicherists been prosecuted under this law?
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-12-17 3:21:09 AM  

#4  In some parts of the United States, there are laws against "interfering with the free exercise of religion."
In idiotarian-occupied regions, especially certain California jurisdictions, this is "liberally" interpreted to include picketing outside the various Houses of Superstition and even the direct mailing of critical material to adherents.
As in Australia, this censorship is enforced with the usual mind-boggling hypocrisy of the Left since practically anything short of lethal violence is still permissible if directed against Jews or Evangelicals.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-12-17 3:16:57 AM  

#3  He needs to take a page out of that other trial where they pastor(?) read directly from the Koran and the prosecuting atty asked the judge to make him stop.
Posted by: anonymous2U   2004-12-17 2:20:08 AM  

#2  Nyah, nyah! Yer prophet was a psychotic pedophile!

And yer mother wears army boots!
Posted by: mojo   2004-12-17 1:33:17 AM  

#1  
the Koran promoted violence, killing and looting
Well, it does.

And one of the first people they'll kill if they get into power is that judge, along with all the others.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2004-12-17 1:08:25 AM  

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