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2004-12-29 | ||
A suggestion by a U.N. official that the world's richest nations were "stingy" irritated the Bush administration, especially when U.S. aid for Asia's earthquake is expected to eventually rise from the millions to more than $1 billion. The comment reopened the question of how to measure American generosity. The answer ultimately depends on the measuring stick.
Natsios said the Pentagon also is spending tens of millions to mobilize an additional relief operation, with C-130 transport planes winging their way from Dubai to Indonesia with pre-stocked supplies of tents, blankets, food and water bags. As of early Tuesday, dozens of countries and relief groups had pledged $81 million in help for South and East Asia, said the Geneva-based U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. The United States uses the most common measure of the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of 30 rich nations that counts development aid. By that measure, the United States spent almost $15.8 billion for "official development assistance" to developing countries in 2003. Next closest was Japan, at $8.9 billion. That doesn't include billions more the United States spends in other areas such as AIDS and HIV programs and other U.N. assistance. Measured another way, as a percentage of gross national product, the OECD's figures on development aid show that as of April, none of the world's richest countries donated even 1 percent of its gross national product. Norway was highest, at 0.92 percent; the United States was last, at 0.14 percent. Such figures were what prompted Jan Egeland - the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator and former head of the Norwegian Red Cross - to challenge the giving of rich nations. "We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really.... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become." So far, he said, pledges of assistance for the emergency relief effort have reached tens of millions of dollars. "The international assistance has been immediate and generous," Egeland said. "The U.S. at US$15 million (euro11 million) is one of the most generous pledges so far. It is exactly what we need to get started... but we will need very substantive pledges. The damage will be in the billions of dollars." Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint about what he feels is the insufficient generosity of rich nations wasn't directed at any nation in particular. But Powell clearly took umbrage while making the rounds of the morning television news shows. He said he wished Egeland hadn't made the comment and reaffirmed that the Bush administration will follow up with assistance that could stretch into the billions of dollars. The White House also defended the U.S. record of giving. "We outmatch the contributions of other nations combined; we'll continue to do so," Bush spokesman Trent Duffy told reporters in Crawford, Texas, where the president is spending a post-Christmas vacation at his ranch.
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#27 :) |
Posted by: Angash Elminelet3775 2004-12-29 10:17:28 PM |
#26 Stuttering problem? Or a failure of imagination, perhaps. |
Posted by: .com 2004-12-29 10:02:02 PM |
#25 My answer to all of this...NOT A DIME pal! |
Posted by: smn 2004-12-29 9:57:46 PM |
#24 More like Jacques Chirac, but with hair. |
Posted by: Tom 2004-12-29 9:50:32 PM |
#23 OMG, kind of like Charlie Brown, but with hair! |
Posted by: Asedwich 2004-12-29 9:45:38 PM |
#22 Identical twins -- I'll bet Sylwester is their father. |
Posted by: Tom 2004-12-29 9:10:36 PM |
#21 *spitting* image! Sorry, Aris, but it is |
Posted by: Frank G 2004-12-29 9:00:31 PM |
#20 I'm pissed because he still hasn't posted his graduation photos. Slacker! |
Posted by: Tom 2004-12-29 8:47:13 PM |
#19 I need to start putting my livejournal with my name so that people don't think they've made some kind of serious detective work by merely googling up my name and following the links. Here you go. |
Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-12-29 8:18:15 PM |
#18 It lives here. My son. |
Posted by: Jan Egeland 2004-12-29 7:46:32 PM |
#17 Good God Frank! Have you actually SEEN Aris? |
Posted by: Sgt.D.T. 2004-12-29 7:27:38 PM |
#16 socialists believe that what you give is no more than what you owe some of these countries hitting us up for aid wouldn't be dancing in the streets and handing out candy if something similar happened over here Both are excellent points. |
Posted by: joeblow 2004-12-29 11:54:53 AM |
#15 Fred...love the new meter! I think it needs a red zone though... |
Posted by: Seafarious 2004-12-29 11:47:12 AM |
#14 I wouldn't give a dime to the UN! So I sent my contribution to Catholic Charities for the Tsunami Relief Fund. This guy was WAY WAY out of line calling the U.S. stingy. How do they think all that aid is going to get to Asia? It's going on a U.S. transport because we are the ONLY country that can provide the needed airlift for this type of operation. The cost of that air lift alone should outstrip any contribution by any European country. BTW this is yet ANOTHER reason to throw the un out! Like we needed another. |
Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2004-12-29 11:24:06 AM |
#13 BH-Your analysis is right on. It's the same socialist mentality that has infected our educational institutions and Democratic party. There is a delusional concept in some people's heads-that money from the US, unlike money from other countries, never runs out, and that a constant economic drain on the US will do no harm to other countries' economies. The pattern appears set: the international community plays this guilt trip-in every country of the world disaster after disaster, uprising after uprising, disease after disease, and the US takes a defensive instead of offensive stance on this issue-further compromising US economy. Shame on UN bureaucrats with big mouths, mannerless upbringings,lousy educations and despicable anti-American comments in the face of tragedy. |
Posted by: Jules 187 2004-12-29 11:14:34 AM |
#12 BTW - he's a spitting image of Aris *blink*? Egeland, you mean? Spitting image? Dude! Hardly. Stop being obsessed with me. Next time you'll see me in your cornflakes and declare it a miraculous sign of the Apocalypse. Anyway, I'm much rounder in the face. He looks very pointy instead. Other than both of us being blond with glasses, no resemblance I can see. |
Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-12-29 10:51:52 AM |
#11 It may well be that phrasing it as he did was a ploy to get the US to give more money. Like, "Who you calling 'stingy'? Here's 2 bil. In yer face." Face it, we make too many decisions based on emotions, and we can be played. As far as gratitude goes, forget it. We're dealing with socialists here, and socialists believe that what you give is no more than what you owe - and often a lot less. Why thank somebody for doing their fair share? Why thank somebody for doing less than their fair share? |
Posted by: BH 2004-12-29 10:28:07 AM |
#10 Mrs D. "Events of the last year have convinced me it is time for this organization to have a come to Jesus meeting" Are you kidding? mention Jesus at the U.N. Are you out of your mind? You are going to start World War IV&V combined. Leave the threats to the "Threat Experts(TM)" at the law firm of Kofi, Kujo & Irrelevance. Frank, LOL. |
Posted by: Poison Reverse 2004-12-29 9:59:27 AM |
#9 BTW - he's a spitting image of Aris... that's 2 strikes |
Posted by: Frank G 2004-12-29 9:50:15 AM |
#8 I'd propose that those outside the US have no right to be heard on what they think of our contribution levels, STFU, thank you very much. |
Posted by: Frank G 2004-12-29 9:49:39 AM |
#7 Interesting isn't it how billions of US tax dollars went into defending Western Europe, but is never considered foreign aid. For those who argue that it was in our own interest, account for the expenditures since the fall of the wall. Since the early 80s, the combined population and GNP of the Western European nations exceeded that of the US, yet the US carried the real military cost burden - to include the commitment to engage in mutual assured destruction for the sake of European liberty. If we were as self center as the French government we wouldn't have even enter into such a situation which would so endanger our existance. What a waste. Right now millions are being diverted in the form of military airlift, communications, and personnel but are not counted by self important UN staff in their desire to rule the people of the United States [you should be happy to tax yourself more]. Interesting how small countries get their UN dues prorated when they send 'Peacekeepers' on missions, payment in kind. However, the US efforts are never so accounted for. However, all that expenditure on military capability is evil, but only so when its not being used to provide your own country its liberty. The only good out of this piece of bulls**t by Jan Egeland will be the further erosion of tolerance by the American public for the UN. The UN never heard of Jefferson or the phrase "the consent of the govern", but now they will sooner rather than later. |
Posted by: Whaing Wherong1888 2004-12-29 9:32:29 AM |
#6 I would like to see an accounting of aid given that includes private charity, in-kind services, military protection, etc. in addition to "official" aid. Since the defense budgets of most EUro countries are small because the US provides most of their defense, they should have more to give as aid. |
Posted by: Spot 2004-12-29 9:21:32 AM |
#5 I might be inclined to be more generous if I didn't think that some of these countries hitting us up for aid wouldn't be dancing in the streets and handing out candy if something similar happened over here. But how mean spirited of me. Jan Egeland would be so disappointed with my attitude. |
Posted by: tu3031 2004-12-29 9:20:37 AM |
#4 Good idea DB. I can imagine the looks on the delegates who might have to face a few less 5-star lunches at exotic locations. I imageine they will be very upset! Hey! Maybe Teraysa (Kerry) can take up the slack? |
Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-12-29 9:12:24 AM |
#3 Yeah, DB. That too. |
Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-12-29 9:08:56 AM |
#2 Nah, Mrs D....have him show up there and say just how much the plight of the victims has touched his heart....and that he will be sending the US's contribution to the UN to the victims instead. That will REALLY piss them off.....and be money better spent. |
Posted by: Desert Blondie 2004-12-29 8:59:53 AM |
#1 I wish when Bush goes to the UN for his annual address, he would begin, "Events of the last year have convinced me it is time for this organization to have a come to Jesus meeting. And that's what we're going to do right now." |
Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-12-29 8:55:21 AM |