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Europe United on Iran as Bush Refuses to Budge
2005-01-21
If the Iraq war divided Europe, the continent is united in calling for continued negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program after US President George W. Bush refused to rule out possible military action. "In the view of the German government, there is no alternative to these discussions," chief government spokesman Bela Anda told reporters in Berlin, a view echoed by officials in Paris.
There's always the option of clobbering them, of course...
"These talks are being held with our German and British partners, in perfect consultation with the United States and our other European partners," said a spokeswoman for the French foreign ministry. The European Union's "big three" — Britain, France and Germany — are in the midst of crucial talks with Iran aimed at finding a long-term solution that would assuage international fears about Tehran's controversial nuclear program. Their efforts have led to the temporary suspension of Iran's uranium enrichment program.
Also to some pretty wild-eyed, spittle-spewing rhetoric. Now, the question becomes: are the Medes and Persians merely making faces and jumping up and down to scare us off, or are they seriously thinking that they're going to continue being Bad Guyz? I think they're Bad Guyz at heart, and that we're going to have to smash the ayatollahs, one way or the other.
Iran vehemently denies it is developing nuclear weapons, insisting that its activities are merely directed at generating electricity, but Washington claims that the program is instead a cover for the development of the atomic bomb. "The fact that the Americans are not excluding the use of military force is not new in principle, but doesn't necessarily indicate that there are concrete attack plans," said Karsten Voigt, Germany's point man for German-US relations.
If war is diplomacy by other means, then diplomacy might be military action by other means. A place for everything, and everything in its place...
Analysts and diplomats even suggested that Europe and the United States could be working together to keep up pressure on the Islamic republic.
If they're not, they're doing it wrong...
"The United States has a hard line but I think its ultimate line is to have the European efforts succeed. It is a good cop-bad cop approach," said an Asian diplomat close to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). "I would say that dangling a stick can be an effective diplomatic tool when used in conjunction with a few carrots," said another diplomat close to the Vienna-based UN nuclear watchdog.
Thank you for today's statement of the obvious...
British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, referring to the different EU and US tactics, told the Financial Times: "Those who said we'd be split apart by the Iranians are wrong. Those who said we could not build up a degree of trust with the Iranians — at the same time as building up a strong consensus with the US and the non-aligned countries — are wrong."
"Really. We're having it both ways..."
US President George W. Bush said on Monday he could not rule out a resort to military action if the United States failed to persuade Iran to abandon a nuclear energy program it charges is a cover for developing the atomic bomb. "I hope we can solve it diplomatically, but I won't ever take any option off the table," Bush said. Then, US Secretary of State-designate Condoleezza Rice called for world action to keep Iran from building nuclear weapons, and repeated a threat to haul Tehran before the UN Security Council for possible sanctions.
Posted by:Fred

#17  The IRAN situation in particular can make or break the unilateral credibility of the fledging EU - France per se has already staked/risked its national prestige, and by extens that of the pan-continental EU, by committing milfors to quell violence in Africa. France = EU > they can not and must not fail in their state-specific or EU-specific ventures, nor be seen as kowtowing or requiring US power, or even the Russians, to prevail, whether in Africa and espec against IRAN or other nuclearizing ME or world rogues. The EU must be seen as proactive, pro-development, pro-democracy, and benevolent to all sides.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2005-01-21 9:17:31 PM  

#16  What do you expect from European weaklings?
Posted by: Glereper Craviter7929   2005-01-21 5:57:17 PM  

#15  Did Bush put Blair on the spot. I know Im "different" here, but to me the 2nd Inaugural Address sounded pretty Blairish to me (though Tony wouldnt have mentioned G-d quite so much). The challenge is only IF its read as a threat of war with Iran. Which I didnt see in it quite frankly. I saw more outreach to the Iranian dissidents, which is quite another thing than war. More along the lines of the strategy supported by Ledeen, I think.

Posted by: Liberalhawk   2005-01-21 5:08:57 PM  

#14  The Euro-fascist elite will always bow to totalitarian evil for bucks. Iraq taught us that.
Posted by: Ernest Brown   2005-01-21 4:35:56 PM  

#13  Mrs. D,
The number does'nt count, it's the quality....
Also I would not give up on the Brit's
remember who came to power after Chamberlain.
The British have this encouraging trait of character
that when push comes to shove and the look the truth in the eye, they come to their senses very quickly.
Additionally, once they see who their true enemy is, woe be to that enemy.
Posted by: EoZ   2005-01-21 1:55:58 PM  

#12  Thanks, EoZ. I certainly hope so as you would be a valued partner. India too, but I'm not sure how many more there will be when the dark night ends.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-21 1:33:41 PM  

#11  Mrs D is dead right - and fundamental to the equation of what comes next. Bush sure put Blair on the spot, IMHO. We shall see, but the dynamics changed yesterday, methinks.
Posted by: .com   2005-01-21 1:32:21 PM  

#10   all but us and the island nation of Australia.

Mrs. Davis,
I think you have forgotten Israel...
Dont underestimate us, I'm sure you can count us in.
Posted by: EoZ   2005-01-21 1:19:17 PM  

#9  Iran vehemently denies it is developing nuclear weapons, insisting that its activities are merely directed at generating electricity

While the Europeans continue their "negotiations" ad infinitum, its time to give the Mullahs a taste of their own special brand of "electricity" .
Posted by: EoZ   2005-01-21 1:14:43 PM  

#8  Be charitable. There are always alternatives. For example, in this case, there are several alternatives. The mullahs could be hung from light poles. Or, they could be herded into a warehouse that is then set on fire. Or, they could be buried alive in a deep pit. Or...
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-01-21 10:44:17 AM  

#7  The shearing of Britain from the U. S. is an immense victory for the French and Iranians. Perhaps the low point of the coming war will be when the forces of evil have conquered all but us and the island nation of Australia.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-21 8:29:44 AM  

#6  Iran's mullahs aren't looking for "carrots"; these kleptocrats have already stuffed their pockets to their satisfaction and have no interest in improving the welfare of their people.

It's the host countries of Renault and Siemens that are being bribed here, not Iran.
Posted by: lex   2005-01-21 8:20:49 AM  

#5   “In the view of the German government, there is no alternative to these discussions,"
If there is no alternative to discussions,then discussions will not acomplish anything,and are pointless.
Posted by: Raptor   2005-01-21 7:44:17 AM  

#4  As long as the US doesn't start any of that 'nation building' proposal crap like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq; the country could be 'technologically destroyed' back to 20 years without a sweat! Pause, monitor the reaction retaliation levels, and if total commitment is observed, then use over whelming force to crush the nation back to 100 years ago. Let the mullahs decide the level of annihilation, like the Emperor of Japan had to do!
Posted by: smn   2005-01-21 12:43:28 AM  

#3  And who does the EU-3 expect to provide the carrots to Iran? Yep, the good ole USA.
Posted by: Captain America   2005-01-21 12:39:20 AM  

#2  If Europe is united, it's a "GO."

They're wrong again.
Posted by: anonymous2u   2005-01-21 12:31:40 AM  

#1  "I think they're Bad Guyz at heart, and that we're going to have to smash the ayatollahs, one way or the other."

It's either them, or us. The Black Hats let us know, 25 years ago, that there would be no compromise with them, not ever. A showdown is coming, and I suspect it will be soon.
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-01-21 12:26:39 AM  

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