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Home Front: Tech
The Rise of the Machines
2005-03-07
March 7, 2005: The U.S. Army is speeding up its efforts to get more UGVs (unmanned ground vehicles) into the hands of the troops. Over the last few years, hundreds of small UGVs have been used by American troops for checking out caves and buildings. Some of these lightweight (under a hundred pounds) robots are being equipped with weapons. The next class of UGVs will be heavier, weighing 1-3 tons. These include the much anticipated "mule" UGV. This critter will carry the troops equipment, bring up supplies, and move wounded troops. As more gadgets are invented for the troops, the weight they have to carry keeps increasing. One solution is a UGV that can accompany troops, carrying a lot of this load (otherwise, each soldier is going to be carrying about a hundred pounds of gear, which is hardly "fighting weight.") There's one problem, a major one, and that is the building of a sensor/software system that would allow the mule UGV to move along the ground without a human driver. So far, this has proved to be a major obstacle. It is possible to have a remote human operator control a UGV. That keeps people out of harms way, and the military is using operators half way around the world to operate UAVs. This "reachback" technique is possible because of cheaper and more abundant satellite communications. No reason it could not be done for UGVs. And this may be the interim solution until a smart enough UGV navigation system is built. This would be a big help for the troops, as they would have the benefit of these UGV drivers, but these troops (they could even be civilians), would be out of harms way, and would not consume supplies in the combat zone.

Once the mules are with the troops and working, and this may happen in the next few years, you will quickly see armed mules, some of them armored and weighing up to ten tons. Without a human crew, a ten ton armored mule would look like a miniature tank, but would be carrying a 25-30mm automatic cannon and 2-4 Javelin missiles. These vehicles would also carry day/night vidcams, thermal imagers, "ears" (acoustic sensors) and a nose (chemical sensors). The combat mules can also talk, using embedded foreign language systems (like the hand held versions troops have been using), or human translators (again, these could be back in the United States, and could even be civilians.) The advantage of these armed mules is that they can destroy enemy armored vehicles, while being harder to detect (as they are about the size of small sports car). No friendly troops are risked when these vehicles are hit, and their sensors and human operators (some of whom are far to the rear) are more alert, over longer periods of time, than human crews in current armored vehicles. You'll be seeing pictures of the prototypes in the next year or two. The laboratory prototypes are not very impressive to look at. The use of a mix of local troops and operators back in the United States will be a big "force multiplier" until software is developed that is smart enough to maneuver the armed mules, and decide when they can use their weapons.
"Bolo Brigade, reporting for duty!"

There are already civilian robotic security systems. But their software moves a vehicle around a known course, with limited navigation ability, and only enough smarts to alert a human operator that the droid has encountered something that is not supposed to be there. A combat UGV that will be allowed to decide when and where to fire is possible now. But there is reluctance to turn these loose. The first such autonomous weapons of this class were the landmines developed in the 1930s, and widely used during World War II. Torpedoes and naval mines are the same type of weapon. But at sea, it's much easier to keep track of where you are, where you're going and what the target is. Land warfare is a lot messier, and requires much more "intelligent" software to operate effectively. But it's not a matter of "if" these autonomous war droids are going to appear, but when. It's possible that the next generation of American combat vehicles will be largely unmanned versions.
Posted by:Steve

#23  Keith Laumer's BOLOs? Later gamed as the Ogre Mk. III and Mk. V.
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2005-03-07 11:12:38 PM  

#22  Jonny Five?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-03-07 10:41:58 PM  

#21  Bzzzt!! Wrong answer, the correct answer was 'Giant Mecha'. Next contestant please ...
Posted by: DMFD   2005-03-07 10:17:10 PM  

#20  ED-209 lives!
Posted by: Chris W.   2005-03-07 8:58:07 PM  

#19  You're mama's a snowblower!
Posted by: anonymous2u   2005-03-07 6:32:31 PM  

#18  I think their appreciation of Computer Vision (CV) is dated. I saw a demo 6 years ago that was nearly good enough. There's commercial stuff out there that's close, too (Aibo, etc.).
Posted by: Dishman   2005-03-07 6:15:33 PM  

#17  Thatn where biology comes in Phil. Should be some sorta X prize for someone who can engineer the brains of a Missouri Mule and build them in a factory.
Posted by: Francis   2005-03-07 5:13:18 PM  

#16  I am sceptical of the need for armour over the whole thing. Duplicating critical components and armouring the electronics makes more sense.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-03-07 4:19:59 PM  

#15  Laugh while you can but I will be safe serving our new robot overlords.
Posted by: Formerly Dan   2005-03-07 3:58:57 PM  

#14  I thought I was the only one reading that stuff. Loved the story subplots with Sheva Bun Bun and company.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike   2005-03-07 2:12:57 PM  

#13  RC, Bun Bun the Sheva (aka giant 7000 ton artillery platform that fires nukes), robo-Bun Bun (aka the robot terminator easter bunny), or the actual Bun Bun? I mean they're all pretty much fatal to your health but we gotta be specific here.
Posted by: Valentine   2005-03-07 2:04:54 PM  

#12  Eh. I want to see Bun-Bun out in the field.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-03-07 1:59:15 PM  

#11  I'm sure the ACLU will want to install a "Kinder Gentler" chip in each machine.
Posted by: Justrand   2005-03-07 1:42:58 PM  

#10  Cleamp Ebbereling9442: a similar idea, except that by using a fanwing lift, you avoid the instability of a rotor. A fanwing is quieter, has a heavier lift ability, and can be shielded from ground fire. So instead of a single person lift, imagine a four-person or cargo-lift of around 2000lb, to upwards of a squad-lift, 10,000lb platform that can carry all kinds of equipment and can land on any surface the size of the platform--no special landing area required. With an armored bottom able to take a hit from an RPG, these systems could be much like a dedicated infantry company helicopter. And there would be a heck of a lot less maintenance than for a helicopter. www.fanwing.com
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-03-07 1:42:11 PM  

#9  Thanks Kyle....

I should have been expecting that, considering this crowd, but you got me, and made me laugh anyway.
Posted by: Jimbo19   2005-03-07 12:52:59 PM  

#8  "Look! Mustafa. It's the little robot from Sta..WHOSSSSSSH..or perhaps not."
Posted by: toad   2005-03-07 12:49:34 PM  

#7  Listen. And understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Posted by: Kyle Reese   2005-03-07 12:42:56 PM  

#6  Lots of cool stuff on the way, no doubt about it. Getting it to the field and gaining needed experience takes guts, especially with systems that can fight. That would currently be lacking IMO.
Posted by: Remoteman   2005-03-07 12:42:03 PM  

#5  Sounds like their trying to reinvent Francis with a little armor.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-03-07 12:17:55 PM  

#4  a square fanwing with four farm-harvester-like lift propellers, in effect creating a flat, flying gun platform

Like the SkyNet Hunter-Killers from the Terminator movies.
Posted by: Steve   2005-03-07 11:56:47 AM  

#3  Gee Moose that sounds familar -

http://www.hiller.org/exhibits/online-exhibits/flying-platform/flying-platform.html

now where's my flying car, damnit!
Posted by: Cleamp Ebbereling9442   2005-03-07 11:44:26 AM  

#2  The tendency is to over "bell-and-whistle" the things. Optimally, their design should be like a cross between an APC and a light tank, if possible, a Humvee-like design of multiple configurations. You *don't* want something as useless and maintenance heavy as the infamous Gamma Goat, which is all-too-soon forgotten. Other than that, it has to be very resistant to RPGs and IEDs. A "war wagon" concept would be good, a place where infantry could hide behind armor and still shoot. But you don't want to pack it full of stuff besides the infantry load it carries and maybe one 'medium' weapon. In other type vehicles, remember to keep an open mind for robotics. Anything from a high-speed armored motor (motorcycle) tricycle to a low-altitude "fanwing"-type carrier aircraft (a fanwing aircraft is stronger and quieter than a helicopter, and I could imagine a square fanwing with four farm-harvester-like lift propellers, in effect creating a flat, flying gun platform.)
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-03-07 11:06:18 AM  

#1  011001111010010011110101001011001011010, Sir!
Posted by: Droid   2005-03-07 10:43:15 AM  

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