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Afghanistan/South Asia
US plans to make India 'world power'
2005-03-27
Tightens the Pak turbans, doesn't it?
The US unveiled plans late on Friday to help India become a "major world power in the 21st century" even as it announced moves to beef up the military of Pakistan. Under the plans, Washington offered to step up a strategic dialogue with India to boost missile defence and other security initiatives as well as high-tech cooperation and expanded economic and energy cooperation. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has explained to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh the Bush administration's outline for a "decisively broader strategic relationship" between the world's oldest and largest democracies, a senior US official said. "Its goal is to help India become a major world power in the 21st century," said the official, who asked not to be named. "We understand fully the implications, including military implications, of that statement."

He did not elaborate but noted that South Asia was critical, with China on one side, Iran and the Middle East on the other, and a somewhat turbulent Central Asian region to the north. Rice discussed the US-India plan with Prime Minister Singh during her Asian visit earlier this month but it was not revealed to the public. The US proposal culminates efforts to repair relations strained by India's May 1998 nuclear tests. Bush was inviting Prime Minister Singh to visit him in July in Washington and the US leader would also like to travel to South Asia later this year or early next year, he said. The strategic dialogue will include global issues, regional security matters, Indian defence requirements, expanding high-tech cooperation and even working toward US-India defence co-production, the official explained. The US, he said, was prepared to "respond positively" to an Indian request for information on American initiatives to sell New Delhi the next generation of multi-role combat aircraft. "That's not just F-16s. It could be F-18s," he said. Beyond possible sale of fighter planes, the US is ready to discuss the more fundamental issue of defence transformation with India, including transformative systems in areas such as command and control, early warning and missile defence, the official said.
Posted by:Fred

#22  I think India is making India into a wolrd power. All those software engieneers, modernized military, a huge educated populace, and the largest democratic nation in the world.


Speaking of UN - if you want to look at relevance:

India should have France's permanent seat at the UN as the worlds largest democracy.

And Japan should have Russia's becuase they are far more important to the world's economy.

Let France and Russia share an EU seat.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-03-27 1:22:30 PM  

#21  I think India is making India into a wolrd power. All those software engieneers, modernized military, a huge educated populace, and the largest democratic nation in the world.


Speaking of UN - if you want to look at relevance:

India should have France's permanent seat at the UN as the worlds largest democracy.

And Japan should have Russia's becuase they are far more important to the world's economy.

Let France and Russia share an EU seat.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-03-27 1:22:30 PM  

#20  "Also the same flavor of Islam (Sunni) that is currently demanding a 7% share of all revenue from the Taj Mahal"

Good luck prying the Taj Mahal from the Hinduooos. The Hindooos are not going to care what Amnesia Intl. thinks. The Hindooos will kill any Mooselimb that tries a coop attempt on the Taj Mahal. The Hindoos and Mooselimbs live peacefully and in close proximity to each other in the major cities of India. This is due to the fact that if, just one Hindoo dies at the hands of a Mooselimb in a hate crime, The Hindooos will kill at least 20 Mooselimbs and their families. The Mooselimbs have tried to mess with the Hindoos before and paid a heavy price.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-03-27 8:13:21 PM  

#19  In the late '80s Mr. Wife told me that 70% of Indians were "economically uninvolved," i.e. not part of the money-using economy. (This really put a crimp in his efforts to develop new & improved consumer products for sale over there.) I assume the numbers are somewhat better now, but can any of you clever Rantburgers give me something more precise? Thanks!
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-03-27 7:42:53 PM  

#18  SuH - Sorry, I must differ. Books alone do not a WorldPower make... gotta have a flag and an anthem and other spifficities. The spiffier the better, of course. Oh, and you hafta belong to the UN & ICC & ready to sign Kyoto, too, but then that's no problem -- unless you're a Representative Republic and a nation of laws. That might keep you out of the UN and give you the good sense not to sign onto the other two.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-27 7:27:37 PM  

#17  Takes 500,000 books to becomes a WorldPower. But! A regional power is only 85,000 books.
Posted by: Sperry un Hutchenson   2005-03-27 7:13:29 PM  

#16  No, I was thinking about the mock combat exercise last year that put US pilots in F-15Cs (under restricted engagement rules) up against the Indians in MGs, Sukhois and Mirages.

Granted, the USAF pilots were handicapped by the rules of that exercise, but given that Pakistani pilots aren't likely to become aces quickly, I think the Indians could probably hold their own handily.
Posted by: too true   2005-03-27 1:52:58 PM  

#15  Too True: Are you talking about the IDF?

It's an interesting plane, I wish Clinton hadn't sort-of derailed the program by putting an embargo on India...
Posted by: Phil Fraering   2005-03-27 1:31:15 PM  

#14  I think India is making India into a wolrd power. All those software engieneers, modernized military, a huge educated populace, and the largest democratic nation in the world.


Speaking of UN - if you want to look at relevance:

India should have France's permanent seat at the UN as the worlds largest democracy.

And Japan should have Russia's becuase they are far more important to the world's economy.

Let France and Russia share an EU seat.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-03-27 1:22:30 PM  

#13  This is a little reminder to Musharref that he hasn't secured Bush, but must continue to work to ensure American support and aid. Very important, given that he just gave in to his radicals on the religion column issue.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-03-27 1:06:12 PM  

#12  good link Emily - how about disinterring the muslim graves and giving the remains to the Waqf - after charging them for all the costs of doing so.
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-27 12:28:27 PM  

#11  Jules, the Indians already have planes that can outmaneuver and outshoot the F-16 under some circumstances. It's not an obvious sellout to Pakistan, although it makes for dramatic headlines.
Posted by: too true   2005-03-27 12:22:42 PM  

#10  Here's a link to the story in Dhimmiwatch.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-03-27 12:21:00 PM  

#9  I'll help em answer:

"Fuck Off"
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-27 12:19:24 PM  

#8  Ummm...yes. Also the same flavor of Islam (Sunni) that is currently demanding a 7% share of all revenue from the Taj Mahal on the basis that they have "determined" that there are Moose limbs buried on the property, and as a gravesite, the Moose limbs have authority. The committee that runs the Taj has until March 31 to provide an answer...
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-03-27 12:16:35 PM  

#7   Soddies move to strengthen ties with India?

the same Soddies that in another post broke up an illegal Hindu shrine and expelled the worshippers?
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-27 12:02:12 PM  

#6  Is this supposed to be some kind of compensation for selling out to Pakistan? (Betcha there was a quid pro quo on Bin Laden in that deal. It is a strategy that is lethally clumsy and devoid of ethics.) We should be building trust with India-let's see America make the commitment in the headline materialize and put us back on track.
Posted by: jules 2   2005-03-27 12:01:19 PM  

#5  Security Council seat next???

The Indians who've settled in the US have, by and large, been successful here and are letting the family back home know that they can worship, do business and feel comfortable here. That's undoing the decades of pro-Soviet bias for many Indians, as is our war against the Islamacist terrorists. The Saudis want to sell India oil, which it needs, but don't have much more to offer.
Posted by: too true   2005-03-27 11:43:29 AM  

#4  Raptor, how could Lockheed sell your namesake aircraft overseas when they can't even convince the Congress to buy it for our AF. The number of F-22's to be bought for us have dropped from 750 to less than 180 and is headed towards 130. Sell India the F-35 JSF and Pakistan can rest easy since they will never be delivered.
Posted by: RWV   2005-03-27 11:43:26 AM  

#3  Via LGF: Soddies move to strengthen ties with India.

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-03-27 11:37:58 AM  

#2  And golly gee willacres, only a passing reference to China. If you ask most educated Indians you meet, they will tell you that they consider Pakistan to be a gnat and that almost all of their guns are pointed towards China. And the US Army let the Indian army know that they need a serious upgrade to be a contender, as their A-1 priority; which "military man to military man" probably scared the pootwaddle out of them.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-03-27 10:55:01 AM  

#1   '...sell New Delhi the next generation of multi-role combat aircraft."
For a minute there I thought they were talking about the F-22.
Posted by: Raptor   2005-03-27 8:24:42 AM  

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