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Afghanistan/South Asia
Extremism threatens foundations of Pakistani state: ICG report
2005-04-19
While each and every recommendation in this thing makes sense, I can't see any of it happening — none, zero, zip, nada, zilch. It simply goes against the grain of the way Pakland's evolved from the day it received independence. A much more useful set of recommendations would to to dispatch hunter-killer teams to bump off Qazi, Sami, Fazl, Hamid Gul, and Hafiz Saeed, and from there to go after the next level of terror down, starting with Syed Salahuddin, Liaquat Baloch and probably half the Pak corps commanders. ICG is proposing political solutions to what are in fact military problems: Pakland is home to a hard core of terrorism's leading lights. Not until they are removed from the scene will there be the slightest chance of reforming a country where the definition of success is based on jihad.
A report issued on Monday sees Sectarian conflict in Pakistan as having reached alarming proportions as a direct consequence of Islamisation and the policy of marginalising democratic forces.
I hate to say I told you so, but that's exactly what we did...
The report issued by the International Crisis Group (ICG) finds that co-option and patronage of religious parties by successive military governments have brought Pakistan to a point where religious extremism threatens to erode the foundations of the state and society.
Religious extremism is attempting to become the foundation of Pak society. Nothing less is acceptable to Qazi, Fazl, Sami, Hamid Gul, and Hafiz Saeed. It shows in virtually every pronouncement of the MMA. It shows in the fact that respected Pakistani politicians would be candidates for canvas jackets in most other countries, to include Afghanistan.
The frequency and viciousness of sectarian terrorism continues to increase while the world showers praise on President Pervez Musharraf. The report says, "Instead of empowering liberal, democratic voices, the government has co-opted the religious right and continues to rely on it to counter civilian opposition. By depriving democratic forces of an even playing field and continuing to ignore the need for state policies that would encourage and indeed reflect the country's religious diversity, the government has allowed religious extremist organisations and jihadi groups, and madrasas that provide them an endless stream of recruits, to flourish. It has failed to protect a vulnerable judiciary and equip its law-enforcement agencies with the tools they need to eliminate sectarian terrorism.
The military-religious alliance has been a feature of Pak politix for too many years. But at this stage they really are stuck between a rock and a hard place, with the military unable to toss the turbans without themselves being tossed by a more liberal regime. And there's no guarantee whatsoever that a civilian regime would be more liberal — it's entirely likely, given the past three years' experience, that the fundos would end up being the ones to take power. The corruption that's been a characteristic of the civilian regimes doesn't help matters, either...
Posted by:Fred

#17  Hmmmmmm.... realpakipassports.com is available. I see an RB growth industry.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-04-19 4:56:48 PM  

#16  just the small percentage that are real
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-19 3:42:38 PM  

#15  Frank, I thought all the passports in Pakiwakiland had to have a religion column...
Posted by: Spot   2005-04-19 3:39:15 PM  

#14  Ã¢Â€ÂœInstead of empowering liberal, democratic voices, the government has co-opted the religious right and continues to rely on it to counter civilian opposition.'

I was wondering where Chuck Schumer got his talking points...
Posted by: Raj   2005-04-19 12:24:42 PM  

#13  ahhh but think of the crash in the world's supply of forged documents should Pak disappear...
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-19 12:07:14 PM  

#12  We dealt with Pakistan because we needed the access to Afghanistan. Dealing with them since the beginning of the war in Afghanistan has been a pain in the butt. It is like dealing with a person with multiple personalities (that has them all activated at the same time). Our big concern is with the nukes. Nuke, nuke, who has the nuke? If it was not for the nukes, this land where reason and logic was forgotten could rot, as long as we could make a deal with the local warlord for access to good olde Afghanistan.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-04-19 11:48:57 AM  

#11  Prob'ly the best solution would be a sustained program of destabilization, since stabilization seems to be out of the question. If Perv falls off his tightrope that would seem to be the only solution -- to set them all to fighting among themselves and then deal with any survivors once they've gotten it out of their system. The danger there is the Islamic nukes. Hafiz Saeed wouldn't hesitate to use them, would in fact look for an excuse. But the right pushes, in the right places, would break the country into five or six pieces, with at least three or four of them having much the same aspect as Somalia.
Posted by: Fred   2005-04-19 10:09:29 AM  

#10  so what's the answer? Hope for a losing nuke exchange with India? A plague that strikes turban-wearers? What a shit hole
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-19 9:54:28 AM  

#9  Foster Brooks? He's part of the feudal setup, a slightly different flavor of repression. He'd be on my second-string kill list. The sardars are part of Pak's problem, but a separate part; they'd probably eventually be controllable, if the other parts weren't there. As it is, they're just one string in the Gordian knot.

Because of its peculiar evolution, Pakland may be the most screwed-up country in the world. What theoretical prescriptions like this one miss is that the holy men enforce and maintain their power only secondarily through their influence on the devout. Their primary instruments of influence are their fascisti. Banging heads with them are other bands of fascisti, of course, like the MQM. This leads to one of those chicken and egg situations, where you can't quite make out whether the holy men rely on the brownshirts because everybody else has them, or everybody else has brownshirts because the holy men are so free with their use. But every time you see the word "activist" you can translate it to "brownshirt."
Posted by: Fred   2005-04-19 9:31:33 AM  

#8  What about my man, Akbar Bugti? Isn't he worth wasting too? (please?)
Posted by: Spot   2005-04-19 8:47:06 AM  

#7  One reason it's important to cultivate India.
Posted by: too true   2005-04-19 8:45:50 AM  

#6  I thought extremism was one of the foundations of the "land of the pure".
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-04-19 7:42:02 AM  

#5  The Pak legislators have wintered well. They are big enough to burn diesel.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-04-19 2:04:11 AM  

#4  Minor edit, then:

they see each other only from behind as they waddle out on the sessions day after day after day...
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-04-19 12:59:41 AM  

#3  Most of them need all the exercise they can get
Posted by: Paul Moloney   2005-04-19 12:49:17 AM  

#2  Not to mention the Pak legislators don't know each other by face; they see each other only from behind as they walk out on the sessions day after day after day...
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-04-19 12:45:17 AM  

#1  Nice comments, Fred.

At this point I think Pakistan is a deadend; the scary thing is that it's disastrous mix of Jihadi militias, Pious Holy Men leading the cannon fodder, and military/intelligence services with the hands in all sort of dirty dealings has become increasingly prevelent in other countries like Bangladesh and Indonesia.

Hopefully something can still be done to arrest the slide in those countries, and many of the ICG's recommendations are easily transferrable to other countries.
Posted by: Paul Moloney   2005-04-19 12:35:54 AM  

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