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Home Front: Culture Wars
Fred Phelps Can Go To Hell
2005-06-15
A Kansas preacher and gay rights foe whose congregation is protesting military funerals around the country said he's coming to Idaho on Wednesday to picket the memorial for an Idaho National Guard soldier killed in Iraq. A flier on the Web site of Pastor Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church claims God killed Cpl. Carrie French with an improvised explosive device in retaliation against the United States for a bombing at Phelps' church six years ago.
Sounds like Preacher Phelps is suffering from delusions of significance...
"We're coming," Phelps said Monday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. Westboro Baptist either has protested or is planning protests of other public funerals of soldiers from Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, Virginia and Colorado. A protest is planned for July 11 at Dover Air Force Base, the military base where war dead are transported before being sent on to their home states. Phelps gained national notoriety in 1998 when he picketed the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the gay college student beaten to death in Wyoming.
What's that have to do with the military?
Since then, Phelps said his church has been the target of hateful words and actions, including a bomb attack six years ago. Phelps' church has picketed the funerals of AIDS victims for more than a decade.
He and his parishioners sound like a bunch of ignorant sods...
French, 19, was a Caldwell High School graduate and varsity cheerleader. She was killed June 5 in the northern city of Kirkuk. French served as an ammunition specialist with the 116th Brigade Combat Team's 145th Support Battalion. Phelps said the fact that French led an all-American life gives him all the more reason to picket her final public tribute.
That makes sense. Not a lot of sense, but sense. Of a sort... I guess.
"An all-American girl from a society of all-American heretics," he said.
Heretics? He into autos-da-fe?
"Our attitude toward what's happening with the war is the Lord is punishing this evil nation for abandoning all moral imperatives that are worth a dime," Phelps said.
I'm not too enthused about some of the extremes various freedumbs are being taken to, either, but calling people heretics and disrespecting our war dead would seem to be a pretty roundabout way of fixing the problem.
Caldwell Police Chief Bob Sobba said he cannot bar Phelps from going to the public funeral, which is scheduled for 1 p.m. Wednesday at the Albertson College of Idaho in that city. "While we respect Mr. Phelps' right to protest, we would hope that he drops dead on the spot and rots in hell for all eternity would respect the family and friends of this young person by not disrupting the memorial," Sobba said. Idaho Air National Guard Lt. Tony Vincelli, acting as spokesman for French's family, said there were no plans to change the funeral arrangements.
They'd probably just follow wherever it went. They're obviously lacking in taste, tact, and patriotism of any sort...
The Rev. Brian Fischer, pastor of Boise's Community Church of the Valley, and himself a past target of protest by the Westboro Baptist Church, decried Phelps' plan. "What Phelps is doing is a reprehensible thing, to take a funeral and turn it into a photo op for his hate cause," Fischer said. "We hope everyone will ignore Phelps' group."
Since he has a right to make an ass of himself, I guess that's the best available course. If the country was the fascist state that the lefties keep harping it is, a swarm of brownshirts would descend upon him and kick his ass all the way back to where he came from. But it's not, so they won't. And despite my dislike of brownshirts, I'll add: darn it.
In 2003, Phelps demanded that he be allowed to erect an anti-gay monument in a Boise public park. To avoid a lawsuit from his group, city officials voted in 2004 that a Ten Commandments monument be moved out of the park to a private setting.
I pray that veterans assemble in force at that funeral, each carrying an axe handle with a black ribbon around it, and when Phelps and his swine herd show up, to beat them until each and every one has to spend six months in the hospital.

That would be the brownshirt alternative I was just mentioning. I'd rather see some intelligent setup work by duly sworn officers of the law and the legal system. Since they're coming from Kansas to Idaho, they're not walking. That's an excellent opportunity for enterprising patrolmen to make their states a lot of money with tickets for speeding, seatbelt violations, unsafe vehicles, aggressive driving, failure to signal when changing lanes, emissions violations, failure to make a full stop, tire tread too thin, all sorts of horrible things. And then there's disturbing the peace, assembly without a license, noise pollution, littering, jay-walking, damage to public property... I like abuse of police power only slightly less than I like swarms of brownshirts, but there are exceptions to every rule, aren't there?
Posted by:Anonymoose

#18  Ima thinkr the cops should take about ten minutes' break and let what happens, happen. Cracked skulls on these asshats might make an improvement....
Posted by: Frank G   2005-06-15 10:10  

#17  He was pulling this shit at Ronald Reagan's funeral too ...
Posted by: Edward Yee   2005-06-15 10:02  

#16  Can we trade this guy to the salafists? Maybe get a decent shortstop out of the deal?

Nah. The Yanks already have 2 really good shortstops. We could use some more depth in the outfield and DEFINITELY more pitching talent, tho.
Posted by: Joe Torre   2005-06-15 09:57  

#15  My wife was a law student at KU back in the day. She said that the text for the Ethics in Law class (taught by a gay judge) was pretty much exclusively dedicated to the Phelps Klan. I'm not sure that there's one left that hasn't been disbarred.
Posted by: BH   2005-06-15 09:55  

#14  I agree with Phil. He should be traded for a hostage in Iraq. That way they could behead him and it would be win-win-win: US gets rid of fundy moonbat, jihadis satisfy bloodlust, Phelps get press.
Posted by: Spot   2005-06-15 09:30  

#13  "Good morning, Mr. Phelps. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to be a total bugwit moonbat so as to show the depravity to which crazy people can aspire." Looks like he accepted the mission.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2005-06-15 08:59  

#12  Next time somebody tries to blow up his church...do it right and make sure he's in it.
Posted by: tu3031   2005-06-15 08:27  

#11  Regarding Phelps as a preacher, there is a saying from the Bible "My Sheep Know My Voice", that voice being the voice of Christ. (The Shepherd metaphor.)

Well, let's just say I don't recognize the voice of Phelps in any way.
Posted by: eLarson   2005-06-15 07:43  

#10  Who let Mendiola off his meds? He's spewing incoherently all over the place.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-06-15 07:35  

#9  Expect a problem. Our church was targeted by this guy over abortion. His MO is to create an incident that allows him to bring suit against an individual or organization and shake down the insurance company for a settlement, sort of a small time, fundamentalist Jesse Jackson.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-06-15 07:02  

#8  >> "An all-American girl from a society of all-American heretics," he said.

> Heretics? He into autos-da-fe?

Autos-da-fe? Somebody say autos-da-fe?


Posted by: Javiter Thiter7940   2005-06-15 06:47  

#7  Point of order: Fred Phelps doesn't have a "congregation." His church is entirely composed, I believe, of his extended family.
I've seen a couple of his "protests" in person at graduations in Kansas. "God hates Fags" signs and the like. His congregation is a pretty meek bunch -- I bet they're visible, but they'll stay away from the gravesite. This is purely a tactic to get him in the newspapers.
Posted by: Javiter Thiter7940   2005-06-15 06:39  

#6  Am I to understand that these intend to disrupt military funerals in those sections of America where there as many guns, or more, than people. THe Lefties and Deaniacs are losing more than ever because, among other things, when post-Clinton Lefties argue/proclaim that Leftism-Socialism results in successful and superior RIGHTISM, and while ranting that Rightists or Conservatives per se deserve to be vilified and imprisoned, etc. it helps to say or argue that you are a RIGHTIST, NOT TO MILITANTLY OR OBSCENELY RANT THAT YOU ARE STILL A LEFTIST OR SOCIALIST. NOT TO BE LINKED OR CONFUSED WITH THE OTHER RIGHTISTS. Goes to show Stupid is as Stupid does, and a Loon/Lunatic is as a Loon/Lunatic does, and a Traitor is as a Traitor does, etc.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2005-06-15 04:58  

#5  A pluperfect asshole. Here's hoping he and his minions break some laws - and he gets to meet Bubba in stir.
Posted by: .com   2005-06-15 04:23  

#4  Idaho's a bit rougher of a crowd than he's used to in Kansas. Let's hope that popcorn is in order here.
Posted by: 2b   2005-06-15 03:55  

#3  As a not-very-devout Christian, I gotta ask:

Can we trade this guy to the salafists? Maybe get a decent shortstop out of the deal?
Posted by: Phil Fraering   2005-06-15 03:09  

#2  how cum thisn duzent surprize me. thinken peples shuld picket evry sunday servise they hold
Posted by: muck4doo   2005-06-15 01:09  

#1  Hmmm...Idaho. Lotsa lumberjacks. And long-haul truckdrivers. And bikers. Lots of whom are vets...
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo)   2005-06-15 00:44  

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