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| Suicide bombers don't use timers |
| 2005-07-18 |
| JJA: "Why would anybody think it was a suicide operation?" Michael Ledeen: "Well, officially they seemed pretty confident. I think the main thing was that the three bombs in the subways went off more or less at the same instant, and that suggested there were timers. And then I think they actually found physical evidence of timers." JJA: "Really. How brilliant. And since when do suicide terrorists need timers? Isn't part of the cult that you get to push your own button and blast off?" ML: "Well, I think the simultaneity of the three explosions suggested technological coordination, if you see what I mean..." JJA: "Couldn't they just coordinate their watches? They all met before they set off to kill, didn't they? And they were all well educated, I don't think any of them had a problem telling time." ML: "Yes, some of the British papers, and a very smart Italian journalist named Guido Olimpio, have suggested that the terrorists were duped, that they didn't expect to be blown up..." JJA: "Yes, notice that the London police chief was 'puzzled' to discover that the bombers were carrying around their personal identity documents. That's pretty lousy tradecraft, isn't it? It's what led the police to Leeds, where they found explosives and all kinds of leads." |
| Posted by:Kalle (kafir forever) |
| #8 One also has to wonder now, if the suicides in Madrid were a unanimous decision. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2005-07-18 19:08 |
#7 Point is that maybe they were not told they were going to meet Allah.Suckers!!!! |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2005-07-18 18:38 |
| #6 And if it can be shown that the 7/7 bomb-carriers didn't intend to die in the blasts --would the ever hypothetical moderate Moslem take that as a encouragement to (still) do nothing (and smile in private), or would they find a prop to denounce the evil terrorist planners? Why would they react any differently to this revelation than to Osama laughing over most of the 9/11 hijackers not knowing their fate? |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-18 18:08 |
| #5 Pre-emptive comment here. Cell phones do work in some tunnels. My brother is a cell phone tower/antenna guy and he's working on a couple of these right now. They just put small versions of a typical cell tower antenna on the tunnel walls every so often. Many are already in place. If I recall correctly, the I-95 tunnels in the Baltimore area are covered. |
| Posted by: Parabellum 2005-07-18 17:53 |
| #4 It's significant because young Moslems who aspire to join the jihad in the West may not easily be talked into suicide missions. And if it can be shown that the 7/7 bomb-carriers didn't intend to die in the blasts --would the ever hypothetical moderate Moslem take that as a encouragement to (still) do nothing (and smile in private), or would they find a prop to denounce the evil terrorist planners? I still think Western countries need to arrest, try and execute all Islamofascist mosque leaders calling for the murder of non-Moslems. And we need to let the Ummah know that Mecca will be erased if their co-religionists perpetrates another large-scale attack on US soil. Finally, where is Blair's ultimatum to Pakistan? deliver the LeT leadership --who are behind the 7/7 attacks-- OR ELSE. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-18 17:12 |
| #3 If you bothered to read the rest of the article: "...What happened was what happens every day in Iraq. You recruit young men and tell them you want them to carry out a terrorist op. Not a suicide mission, but a strike on behalf of jihad. You tell them you want them to carry some bombs into the underground and leave them on the subway train. You tell them not to worry, everything is controlled by a timer, and the timer is set, say, half an hour after they are out of the Tube. So they go. Except then you set the thing off remotely. By cell phone, say." ML: "But I thought cell phones don't work in the underground." JJA: "I think you will find that some do. Or maybe there was a different kind of radio signal. But the technology certainly exists, and isn't very expensive. It might be something very simple, like putting a phony clock face on the timer, showing the explosion set for half an hour after the real time." Not saying it was definitely a set-up. But many of the signs of a 'typical' suicide operation aren't there. |
| Posted by: Pappy 2005-07-18 16:37 |
| #2 Point is that maybe they were not told they were going to meet Allah. They might have thought they were going to do a Madrid, place the bombs on the train, stay with them for a certain period to make sure no one disturbs them, then get off tthe train before they went bang. Besides the fact they were carrying ID, they did not leave behind the standard suicide home movie boasting of their action. |
| Posted by: Steve 2005-07-18 16:36 |
| #1 So what's your point JJA? They have photos of the guys with big backpacks on, and they later found bomb stuff in their houses. |
| Posted by: Elminter Chirong5693 2005-07-18 16:18 |